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I mean, we watched Brian Gionta be a successful NHLer for several years.  Size really isn't a factor if the player in question is strong enough, strong-willed enough, and has the other requisite skills.  Mattias Tedenby wasn't too small.  He wasn't fast or smart enough (or strong enough).

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They'll be on the NHL Network at 3 PM on Sunday when Medicine Hat takes on Edmonton, which has Baddock. I haven't seen them play so I'll keep an eye on them. Just glancing at their profiles, they both seem really small, Sanford 5'8, 165, Cox 5'8, 164. That's smaller than Tyler Johnson 5'9, 182 who definitely seems like the exception when it comes to undersized guys going undrafted and making it. Both Sanford and Cox are still draft eligible though.

 

Thanks, I saw some of their highlights and they were dominant out there. But for someone who doesn't follow the CHL it's hard to understand why certain 20 year-old high-scoring junior players haven't been drafted and aren't ranked that highly among prospects.

 

 

Triumph, I suppose these type of players rarely turn out to be the next Martin St. Louis as teams hope. Clearly despite the Giontas and St. Louises, mangement teams are still reluctant to bank on small players.

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Thanks, I saw some of their highlights and they were dominant out there. But for someone who doesn't follow the CHL it's hard to understand why certain 20 year-old high-scoring junior players haven't been drafted and aren't ranked that highly among prospects.

 

 

Triumph, I suppose these type of players rarely turn out to be the next Martin St. Louis as teams hope. Clearly despite the Giontas and St. Louises, mangement teams are still reluctant to bank on small players.

 

Yes, they don't turn out to be Hall of Fame players that often.  They don't have to be in order to be succesful NHLers.  However, if the guy's both small and slow, it's a tough road - not a lot of guys like that have been successful.

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Yes, they don't turn out to be Hall of Fame players that often.  They don't have to be in order to be succesful NHLers.  However, if the guy's both small and slow, it's a tough road - not a lot of guys like that have been successful.

 

To me, the question is: do NHL scouts/teams underrate undersized players in general. i.e. Given a 6'0 190 lb 7/10 prospect and a 5'9 175 lb 8/10 prospect, how often out of ten times does any given NHL team take the undersized player over the bigger player? It might be oversimplifying, but the question is still relevant. I don't presume to know the answer, but logic, and a hunch tells me: yes, more often than not, teams will take the slightly lesser skilled bigger player.

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Zajac (2nd line center)

Fayne (2nd pair defensmen)

Fraser (fringe defensmen)

halischuk (fringe forward)

henrique (3rd line winger)

josefson (4th line center)

Gelinas (3rd pair defensmen)

merrill (3rd pair defensmen)

larsson (Potential 1st pair defensmen)

severson (Potential 1st pair defensmen)

Last 10 years folks

The only new scout I see is Steve Kariya, maybe he can see skill.

merril is potential top4 imo
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Wednesday 2/18
OHL
Plymouth defeated Windsor 3-1
Connor Chatham RW: Goal, +1
Season: 42 GP 16-19-35, E, 40 PIM

Kamloops lost to Kelowna 11-4
Ryan Rehill D: -2, 12 PIM (Unsportsmanlike Conduct, Misconduct)
Season: 55 GP 6-10-16, -15, 111 PIM

KHL
Dinamo Minsk lost to SKA St. Petersburg 7-1
Artur Gavrus LW: DNP (Injured)
Season: 35 GP 5-4-9, -6, 12 PIM, 10.4 SH%, 1.4 SH/GP, 39.2 Fo%, 12:05 ATOI

USHS
Noble & Greenough
Miles Wood LW: 13 GP 8-12-20

 

Todd Cordell has an interview with Joseph Blandisi on his blog.

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merril is potential top4 imo

 

Definitely, it's a sophomore slump. We saw what he's capable of last year. I'm not worried about Merrill in the long term. At worst, I can see him becoming another Fayne (which is a good thing), but I think his ceiling's slightly higher.

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Thursday 2/19
OHL
North Bay lost to Kitchener 5-1
Ryan Kujawinski C: E
Season: 47 GP 23-18-41, +16, 28 PIM

-- Just 2 goals and an assist over his last 7 games.

Barrie lost to Owen Sound 4-3
Joseph Blandisi C: 2 Assists (1 PP), E
Season: 55 GP 40-51-91, +11, 96 PIM

-- 6 goals and 7 assists over his last 6 games.

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Friday 2/20
QMJHL
Drummondville lost to Shawinigan 5-1
Anthony Brodeur G: 19 Saves on 24 Shots

OHL
North Bay lost to Sault Ste. Marie 7-3
Ryan Kujawinski C: -1

-- 3 game scoreless streak.

Plymouth lost to Windsor 2-1
Connor Chatham RW: -1, 2 PIM (Unsportsmanlike Conduct)

WHL
Brandon lost to Prince Albert 6-4
John Quenneville C: +2, 1 Shot

Kamloops lost to Moose Jaw 4-3
Ryan Rehill D: Assist, E, 2 PIM (High Sticking)

Edmonton lost to Kootenay 4-1
Brandon Baddock C: -1

NCAA
Miami lost to Minnesota Duluth 3-1
Blake Coleman C: Goal, +1, 4 Shots, 5/18 Faceoffs

Harvard lost to St. Lawrence 5-1
Alexander Kerfoot C: Assist (PP), -1, 2 Shots, 4/11 Faceoffs

Boston College tied UMass-Lowell 2-2
Steve Santini D: -1, 2 Shots

Michigan State lost to Wisconsin 2-1
Joshua Jacobs D: -1, 5 Shots, 1 Block

USHL
Dubuque defeated Muskegon 3-1
Joey Dudek C: DNP (?)

KHL
Dinamo Minsk defeated Jokerit 3-1
Artur Gavrus LW: DNP (Injured)

USHS
Noble & Greenough
Miles Wood LW: 14 GP 14-14-28

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Kerfoot seems to be the only guy exceeding expectations, though by your reports, Jacobs might be another one. Kerfoot's injury and limited number of games played concern me a bit.

I'm not sure what his chances are at becoming an NHL player as just looking at his and Travis Zajac's draft seasons in the BCHL, Travis tore up that league to the tune of nearly 2ppg and Kerfoot posted a more pedestrian 1.3ppg.

Do you think he turns pro next year though or do they let him percolate in college a bit longer.

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Kerfoot seems to be the only guy exceeding expectations, though by your reports, Jacobs might be another one. Kerfoot's injury and limited number of games played concern me a bit.

I'm not sure what his chances are at becoming an NHL player as just looking at his and Travis Zajac's draft seasons in the BCHL, Travis tore up that league to the tune of nearly 2ppg and Kerfoot posted a more pedestrian 1.3ppg.

Do you think he turns pro next year though or do they let him percolate in college a bit longer.

I get the feeling Kerfoot is going to be a 4 year college guy but that's just my opinion. It's too bad he's missed a fair amount of time over the past 3 years. I like his offensive skills, my concerns for him are staying healthy and being able to find time and space at the next level playing against physically stronger players.

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Saturday 2/21
QMJHL
Drummondville defeated Rimouski 4-3
Anthony Brodeur G: DNP

OHL
Plymouth defeated Sarnia 3-2
Connor Chatham RW: +1, 5 PIM (Fighting)

Barrie defeated Niagara 6-4
Joseph Blandisi C: 2 Goals (1 SH, 1 EN), +2, Stopped on PS

-- 7 game scoring streak: 8 goals and 7 assists.

WHL
Brandon defeated Saskatoon 7-3
John Quenneville C: 2 Assists, +4

Kamloops lost to Vancouver 1-0
Ryan Rehill D: -1

NCAA
Miami defeated Minnesota Duluth 4-3 (OT)
Blake Coleman C: Goal (GWG), +1, 6 Shots, 13/16 Faceoffs* 1st Star

Harvard defeated Clarkson 3-2
Alexander Kerfoot C: E, 4 Shots, 5/12 Faceoffs

Michigan State defeated Wisconsin 3-0
Joshua Jacobs D: +1, 2 PIM (Holding), 2 Shots, 3 Blocks

USHL
Dubuque defeated Des Moines 4-3 (OT)
Joey Dudek C: E

-- No points in his last 6 games.

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I mean, we watched Brian Gionta be a successful NHLer for several years.  Size really isn't a factor if the player in question is strong enough, strong-willed enough, and has the other requisite skills.  Mattias Tedenby wasn't too small.  He wasn't fast or smart enough (or strong enough).

I think that the actual height/weight are are usually slightly embellished in most cases. 5-9  180 lbs is really 5-7  155 lbs. You have to remember, smaller statured guys have been playing against "giants' since they're peewee's. They learn how to go "through" a Chara (albeit not easy). Do you ever wonder if scouting staff sits around discussing we "f-ed" when we picked Teddy? Was that our European scout? 

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Joseph Blandisi is really starting to pile up the points again.

 

 

i'm going to compare him to 19 year olds in adjusted PPG per age and team since there are no 20 year old in his company.

 

Henrik Samuelsson - 50 games 10 goals 25 points AHL

Brock McGinn - 50 games, 10 goals, 19 points AHL

Chris tierney - 26 games, 7 goals, 24 points AHL

Scott Kosmachuk - 50 games, 11 goals, 18 points AHL

Charles Hudon - 53 games, 12 goals, 45 points AHL

 

In 70 games you get an average of 40 points, 15 goals. I think 35-40 points would be a safe full season bet next year in AHL.

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CHLStats is a cool site - I'm not sure about the methodologies (it's not as easy to do as it is in baseball because ice time is variable whereas playing time in baseball isn't) - in age adjusted points per game, Blandisi ranks 29th in the OHL.  That seems about right.  I do think 30-40 points in the AHL next year is a good guess though - it's just a question of where he goes from there.

 

http://chlstats.pythonanywhere.com/players/OHL/2014/

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CHLStats is a cool site - I'm not sure about the methodologies (it's not as easy to do as it is in baseball because ice time is variable whereas playing time in baseball isn't) - in age adjusted points per game, Blandisi ranks 29th in the OHL.  That seems about right.  I do think 30-40 points in the AHL next year is a good guess though - it's just a question of where he goes from there.

 

http://chlstats.pythonanywhere.com/players/OHL/2014/

A Charles Hudon or Chris Tierney season would be welcomed for the sorry state of our forward prospects. Don't worry, Kujawinski translates better to the pro game and will be a 20/20 man in the AHL haha

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Sunday 2/22
OHL
North Bay lost to Niagara 6-5
Ryan Kujawinski C: 2 Goals (1 PP), 2 Assists (Both PP), E* 1st Star
Season: 49 GP 25-20-45, +15, 10 PIM

-- 12 goals and 10 assists in 22 games with North Bay.

Barrie defeated Sudbury 7-4
Joseph Blandisi C: 4 Goals, Assist, +6, 2 PIM (Tripping)* 1st Star
Season: 57 GP 46-52-98, +19, 98 PIM

-- 8 game scoring streak: 12 goals and 8 assists. 1st in the OHL in goals, 10th in assists, and 4th in scoring.

WHL
Edmonton defeated Medicine Hat 5-1
Brandon Baddock C: Goal, +1, 2 PIM (Elbowing), 2 Shots
Season: 59 GP 15-17-32, -11, 113 PIM

USHL
Dubuque lost to Cedar Rapids 1-0
Joey Dudek C: E, 1 Shots
Season: 40 GP 6-6-12, -6, 64 PIM, 7.69 SH%, 1.95 SH/GP

-- No points in his last 7 games.

KHL
Dinamo Minsk defeated Dinamo Riga 1-0
Artur Gavrus LW: DNP
Season: 35 GP 5-4-9, -6, 12 PIM, 10.4 SH%, 1.4 SH/GP, 39.2 FO%, 12:05 ATOI

-- Hasn't played a KHL game since 1/22 and has only played 2 KHL games since 12/14. Played another game for Dinamo Molodechno in the BXL on 2/21 and had a E, 2 PIM, and 2 shots. He didn't play in Monday's game for the club so perhaps his KHL return is imminent?

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Monday 2/23
NCAA
Harvard lost to Boston College 3-2 (OT)
Alexander Kerfoot C: Goal, Assist (PP), E, 5 Shots, 5/16 Faceoffs
Season: 18 GP 7-15-22, +13, 6 PIM, 17.07 SH%, 2.27 SH/GP, 45.3 FO%

Steve Santini D: Assist, E, 2 PIM (Elbowing), 4 Shots
Season: 16 GP 1-4-5, +2, 18 PIM, 3.57 SH%, 1.75 SH/GP, 23 Blocks
 

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Wednesday 2/25

OHL

Barrie lost to Owen Sound 3-0

Joseph Blandisi C: -1, 4 PIM (Slashing, Interference)

Season: 58 GP 46-52-98, +18, 102 PIM

 

-- Snaps 8 game scoring streak.

 

WHL

Brandon defeated Medicine Hat 5-0

John Quenneville C: 2 Assists, +2

Season: 48 GP 16-25-41, +12, 47 PIM

 

-- 6 assists in 6 February games.

 

Edmonton lost to Red Deer 2-1

Brandon Baddock C: E, 2 PIM (Goaltender Interference), 3 Shots

Season: 60 GP 15-17-32, -11, 115 PIM

 

-- 9 points over his last 23 games.

 

USHS

Noble & Greenough

Miles Wood LW: 15 GP 15-16-31

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Thursday 2/26

OHL

North Bay defeated Barrie 4-2

Ryan Kujawinski C: Assist (PP), +1

Season: 50 GP 25-21-46, +16, 28 PIM

 

Joseph Blandisi C: Goal, E, 4 PIM (Roughingx2)* 3rd Star

Season: 59 GP 47-52-99, +18, 106 PIM

 

Plymouth defeated Sarnia 6-3

Connor Chatham RW: E, 2 PIM (Tripping)

Season: 45 GP 16-19-35, E, 49 PIM

 

-- 1 goal over his last 5 games after a 6 game scoring streak where he had 9 points.

 

WHL

Edmonton defeated Lethbridge 3-2 (OT)

Brandon Baddock C: +1, 5 PIM (Fighting)

Season: 61 GP 15-17-32, -10, 120 PIM

 

NCAA

Michigan State lost to Minnesota 5-3

Joshua Jacobs D: -2, 2 Shots, 1 Block

Season: 29 GP 0-6-6, -10, 22 PIM, 1.83 SH/GP

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