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I pretty much agree with this down the line right down to Strome/Marner hope.

 

I also think that if Hanifin (or even Provorov) is still there at 6, that means that its pretty much assured Marner and Strome are gone. In this scenario, while I could totally see and understand the Devils taking Hanifin, I could also see that situation bring a trade down into play. There could be some team that is willing to pay out the nose to get up to 6 to grab him. I'd be fine with that as it keeps him out of Philly. This draft is deep enough to consider a drop down and still come away with an excellent player + more assets. We may not even have to drop far if say Columbus wanted him, would likely be able to pick up another 2nd in that scenario espc since they have 3 of them.

We may have to send an extra pick but maybe we could squeeze Columbus for Rychel if we traded down to 8OA

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I'm wondering if Gelinas is too much or too little to add to the 6th oa to get Carolina to trade one spot down. That is if Marner or Strome are still there. I still think there's a good chance Carolina drafts Crouse or Provorov anyway though. But they might have Marner/Strome/Hanifin as bpa and just draft whichever one is there. That's when I'd try to trade up.

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Nothing really of substance here but Fire and Ice has and article discussing the draft. No new quotes from Shero or Lou though.

 

http://fireandice.northjersey.com/fire-ice-1.174987/devils-have-a-chance-to-get-an-all-star-player-with-sixth-overall-pick-in-this-year-s-draft-1.1350373

 

The good news is that it appears that anyone they choose from the projected top 10 should turn out to be a very good player. Marr says there's very little difference between them. 

“They call it jelly beans, Marr said of picks 3-10. “You can just throw them up and they'll scatter and take your pick and you'll be happy.”

 

 

Although Strome likely will be gone by the time the Devils pick, they were one of 17 teams to interview him this week. The Devils also interviewed Hanafin, though defense is not a need.

London right wing Mitch Marnier, who had 44 goals and 126 points in 2014-15, is right behind Strome (and ahead of him in some rankings) as far as forwards. After that, comes Kingston left wing Lawson Crouse (29 goals, 22 assists), Sarnia center Pavel Zacha (16 goals, 18 assists), Seattle center Mathew Barzal (12 goals, 45 assists) and Finnish right wing Mikko Rantanen (nine goals, 19 assists playing in Finland).

 

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Strome or marner wont be avalaible at 6... My firt choice is Rantanen, but have to say that Zacha potential is sexy as hell. I will be happy with anyone of them. Barzal would be an ok pick... But everobody i'm not impress by his game.

Is there anything in particular you don't like about Barzal? Seems to me like a great pick. I'm not even sure Strome is a better choice, to be honest.

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Interesting stuff from the combine. Eichel outperformed McDavid. In the top 10 for 7 of the categories compared to 3 for McDavid.

Defenceman Noah Hanifin, finished in the top 10 for four tests.

Winger Mitchell Marnerfinished well only in the fatigue index, placing second

Marner weighed in at 159.85 Ibs, and measured at 5'11", tying him with Anthony Cirelli and Adam Marsh as the lightest player at the combine. He is going to need to add some serious mass given his height. That would be a massive concern for me.

Prospect Travis Konecny came out with one of the most well-rounded performances, finishing in the top 10 five times.

Prince Albert Raiders defenceman Brendan Guhle was the biggest standout, with nine top 10 finishes, including first in the standing long jump and the peak power output tests.

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Is there anything in particular you don't like about Barzal? Seems to me like a great pick. I'm not even sure Strome is a better choice, to be honest.

Barzal have great asset, bu i just feel we can draft players with similar asset in the second round. I have to give him that he was dominant at the U18. But he was playing against kid. Not a physical players and he sometimes just looking for te pass when he have to shoot. He got speed, but don't use it at the right time. And for me he is not ready for the NHL... Its a 3-4 years project for him. Rantanen is close to be an NHL er. Maybe he can start october in that league. He plays against man and was dominant at the WJC. Great skating, big body, good shot and good visions. He dont have Barzal hands, but he is better in every other area. I really love Rantanen as a player. He remembers me a lot of sasha Barkov. The last one zacha.. Well honestly i never see him plays. I saw highlight and read about him. He seems like a sniper. I saw his devasting one-times and a lot hightlight show his offensive abilities. For some reasons a lot of scout like him. Inthe reading i did they said he was good in every area, but his visions his average. Rick Nash style of player.

So i think at the 6 position, Rantanen and zacha are unique asset we can have... And barzal type of asset can be found in the secound round.

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He's not a midget. He's 5-11, ZP is 5-11. His point totals for his age group, he's got a bit of Patrick Kane to him.

The height isn't the problem. It's his weight for his height. Imagine Marner up against Krider. There is like 80lbs difference.

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Kane was listed as weighing 162 his draft year...he's added 20 pounds since that time.  While ~180 is certainly not enormous, no one is saying he's too small / too weak to compete in the NHL.  

 

Avoiding Marner because of his current weight would be way too short sighted. 

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Kane was listed as weighing 162 his draft year...he's added 20 pounds since that time. While ~180 is certainly not enormous, no one is saying he's too small / too weak to compete in the NHL.

Avoiding Marner because of his current weight would be way too short sighted.

Not saying I wouldn't take him. But I would be looking at getting him in a programme to get those extra 20 lbs pretty dam quick.

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I can't imagine any combine results sway people with decision making power. These are 18-year-old kids that have yet to come close to developing. In the NFL, the players are 22 and 23 with combine testing that has more to do with their position than anything that the NHL version has to offer.

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I can't imagine any combine results sway people with decision making power. These are 18-year-old kids that have yet to come close to developing. In the NFL, the players are 22 and 23 with combine testing that has more to do with their position than anything that the NHL version has to offer.

To the extent that they do, it's probably just getting a real handle on how tall and heavy a player actually is. Although Triumph has noted that some players at the NHL combine will intentionally appear weaker and slimmer, the idea being that teams will say that a player can still improve a lot as he gets bigger.

The other thing that actually does sway teams sometimes are the interviews, but that's more that a bad interview will cause some players to slip.

That Marner weighs less than 160 at his height might make someone a little nervous, at least to invest a top five pick in him.

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To the extent that they do, it's probably just getting a real handle on how tall and heavy a player actually is. Although Triumph has noted that some players at the NHL combine will intentionally appear weaker and slimmer, the idea being that teams will say that a player can still improve a lot as he gets bigger.

The other thing that actually does sway teams sometimes are the interviews, but that's more that a bad interview will cause some players to slip.

That Marner weighs less than 160 at his height might make someone a little nervous, at least to invest a top five pick in him.

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Very true about the interview. I read a book (might be one of chico's) where a potential draft pick was asked a question in the interview "so what would you do with the money you will now be making?" His answer was to buy expensive cars. Basically he failed the interview.

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The Devils clear need right now is young forwards, but both Shero and Conte told me that we should not be surprised if they draft at defenseman at No. 6 because they will pick who they deem the best player available regardless of position.

"I get it," Shero said of the Devils' need for young forwards. "(But) you're taking the best asset. You're thinking three to five years down the road. There's nothing worse than picking a position for the position and then all the sudden you passed on someone pretty special because, oh, you had enough of those."

(I'll have more on that subject as we get closer to the draft.)

I noted on Friday that the Devils interviewed defenseman Noah Hanfiin (No. 3 North American skater in NHL Central Scouting's final ranking) and center Dylan Strome (No. 4 North American skater). If Hanifin somehow fell to No. 6, it would probaly be difficult for the Devils to pass on him.

http://fireandice.northjersey.com/fire-ice-1.174987/combine-just-part-of-devils-draft-equation-don-t-be-surprised-if-they-pick-a-defenseman-at-no-6-1.1351030

There's just no way of telling who's going to pan out at this point. Is there really that big of a difference between Hanifin and Barzal to where drafting for position doesn't make sense? They were both ranked 3rd oa in this draft year at one point.

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