coldply123 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 I don't know about drafting Hanifin only for the simple fact it might be a few years until he even makes the club. I really like Barzal. He's a right handed shooter and I could definitely see him centering Cammo. That's really wishful thinking too on Barzal. Barzal lost half a year to injury. There's a good chance he's back in juniors next year and fighting for a spot on the AHL roster first the following year. People need to stop slotting draft picks into a lineup which they at best might see some marginal ice time their first two years even assuming they make the team and even then there's really only a few exceptions where guys come in and make some really dramatic and consistent impact their first couple years. You take the guy who you think is the best talent and player combined and go from there as to how you see them fitting in down the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 That's really wishful thinking too on Barzal. Barzal lost half a year to injury. There's a good chance he's back in juniors next year and fighting for a spot on the AHL roster first the following year. People need to stop slotting draft picks into a lineup which they at best might see some marginal ice time their first two years even assuming they make the team and even then there's really only a few exceptions where guys come in and make some really dramatic and consistent impact their first couple years. You take the guy who you think is the best talent and player combined and go from there as to how you see them fitting in down the road. Barzal can't go to the AHL until 2017-18, he won't be 20 until May 2017 and he won't have completed 4 years of junior hockey. If the Devils drafted Barzal I would expect him to return to junior next year but with the full expectation of having him on the NHL roster in 2016-17. Players drafted this high typically do not spend a lot of time in the AHL and most of them walk into the NHL at 18 unless the team has depth at that position, the player isn't progressing as expected, or they think it more valuable to not waste a contract year in the NHL. To me, Barzal will likely both not be ready and the Devils would have no business starting his free agency clock 2 years early on this team. 95% you go BPA with your 1st round pick, but this belongs to the 5% of the time where the Devils have such pressing future needs that they can't just go for D if that's BPA. The Devils are in a bind, they just can't afford to blow this pick if they take a defenseman. He HAS to be a 1st pairing defenseman in the future. Defensive prospects seldom retain the value that offensive ones do, and defensemen in general are not easy to trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vadvlfan Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Barzal can't go to the AHL until 2017-18, he won't be 20 until May 2017 and he won't have completed 4 years of junior hockey. If the Devils drafted Barzal I would expect him to return to junior next year but with the full expectation of having him on the NHL roster in 2016-17. Players drafted this high typically do not spend a lot of time in the AHL and most of them walk into the NHL at 18 unless the team has depth at that position, the player isn't progressing as expected, or they think it more valuable to not waste a contract year in the NHL. To me, Barzal will likely both not be ready and the Devils would have no business starting his free agency clock 2 years early on this team. 95% you go BPA with your 1st round pick, but this belongs to the 5% of the time where the Devils have such pressing future needs that they can't just go for D if that's BPA. The Devils are in a bind, they just can't afford to blow this pick if they take a defenseman. He HAS to be a 1st pairing defenseman in the future. Defensive prospects seldom retain the value that offensive ones do, and defensemen in general are not easy to trade. This is why taking THE "perceived" bpa might be flawed. If the pick fails to live up to expectations, why not "fail" in a position your team has shortcomings. Picking at 6 probably means whomever we pick won't be in the line-up opening night. If Meier is our pick he'll go back to Q. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derlique Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Every realistic prospect except maybe Hanifin and Marner are going back to their respective leagues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldply123 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 This is why taking THE "perceived" bpa might be flawed. If the pick fails to live up to expectations, why not "fail" in a position your team has shortcomings. Picking at 6 probably means whomever we pick won't be in the line-up opening night. If Meier is our pick he'll go back to Q. This line of thinking is preposterous and leads nowhere. Most of these guys won't fill out really for at least three or maybe 4 years. Rosters and competitors and the NHL landscape in general turn over quite a bit in that timeframe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 This line of thinking is preposterous and leads nowhere. Most of these guys won't fill out really for at least three or maybe 4 years. Rosters and competitors and the NHL landscape in general turn over quite a bit in that timeframe. But some of that turnover can be seen coming. The Devils are in the very rare position of having an extremely young defense coupled with a very old offense. That's why this is part of the 5%, it's not like NJ's offense and defense are of average age and yet we're still saying this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BostonNala370 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 (edited) But some of that turnover can be seen coming. The Devils are in the very rare position of having an extremely young defense coupled with a very old offense. That's why this is part of the 5%, it's not like NJ's offense and defense are of average age and yet we're still saying this. It will be interesting to see what is done this off season to rectify this unbalance. The D can't get much younger but hopefully the O can improve by getting rid of some old timers but it will be tough to do. I don't see Elais leaving, Cammy is staying. I would be surprised if Zubrus is bought out, maybe traded as part of a package. Ruutu is in same situation. I think Gomez gets another year. Havlet, Ryder and Clowe have to go. I respect your opinion, since we are short of RWs do you think they will sign Bernier he is 30? I think they will. Gionta is 31, I could see him leaving for a younger 4th line player. It has to be a youth movement within the offense this season. After this season quality within the offense. Edited June 20, 2015 by BostonNala370 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William D'Aquila Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Why would you buy out Zubrus, he has one year left on his deal. Not a prudent cap decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BostonNala370 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Why would you buy out Zubrus, he has one year left on his deal. Not a prudent cap decision. Isn't that what I said, a surprise! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mort4345 Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Hanifin will still be on the board and we'll draft Crouse. Then when eveyone goes WTF, Conte will say everyne wanted a forward so that's what he drafted. This is exactly my fear... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Why would you buy out Zubrus, he has one year left on his deal. Not a prudent cap decision. To get rid of a player who isn't an NHLer anymore and open up a spot for someone who is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghdi Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Hanifin will still be on the board and we'll draft Crouse. Then when eveyone goes WTF, Conte will say everyne wanted a forward so that's what he drafted. If Hanifin is still in the board at 6 at the very least we'll be entertaining some very good trade proposals to get into that spot. They're not going to let Hanifin fall to Philly. Provorov will generate interest there as well and almost certainly will be available at 6, but Hanifin won't get past us. Frankly, I think Hanifin getting past Toronto is a pipe dream and I wouldnt be surprised to see both Hanifin and Provorov off the board by 6. That would have us drafting Marner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonDreads Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 I personally don't see it, but some people think that Provorov could go in the Top 5 along with Hanifin, which would open up one of Strome or Marner for us. I'd be very surprised if it did happen, but I have seen a 1 through 5 of McDavid-Eichel-Strome-Hanifin-Provorov quite a bit, but would have Marner dropping down to us, there's some Draft Day hope for ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghdi Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 I personally don't see it, but some people think that Provorov could go in the Top 5 along with Hanifin, which would open up one of Strome or Marner for us. I'd be very surprised if it did happen, but I have seen a 1 through 5 of McDavid-Eichel-Strome-Hanifin-Provorov quite a bit, but would have Marner dropping down to us, there's some Draft Day hope for ya. Provorov is arguably the biggest riser in the draft right now. I saw a mock today by one of Philly's beat writers that had Provorov and Hanifin gone by 5. and even Toronto is interested in him https://twitter.com/Michael_Traikos/status/606092739705511936 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 I personally don't see it, but some people think that Provorov could go in the Top 5 along with Hanifin, which would open up one of Strome or Marner for us. I'd be very surprised if it did happen, but I have seen a 1 through 5 of McDavid-Eichel-Strome-Hanifin-Provorov quite a bit, but would have Marner dropping down to us, there's some Draft Day hope for ya.This is what I'm hoping for... So it won't happen lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vadvlfan Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 What sucks for me is a (choir) function I have to attend Friday night so I'll record it. But there's no way I'm not going to able to peak! I will be happy for the most with whomever, except Crouse. I'll always feel they should've taken someone more skilled. At 18, you are what you are. You can hone skills, but can't teach. You either have them, or you don't. Crouse will be an effective player, but, doesn't fit our true needs of Devils. Can't wait for Friday night and put all of our tapdancin speculation will be to rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer91 Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 What sucks for me is a (choir) function I have to attend Friday night so I'll record it. But there's no way I'm not going to able to peak! I will be happy for the most with whomever, except Crouse. I'll always feel they should've taken someone more skilled. At 18, you are what you are. You can hone skills, but can't teach. You either have them, or you don't. Crouse will be an effective player, but, doesn't fit our true needs of Devils. Can't wait for Friday night and put all of our tapdancin speculation will be to rest. Sorry, I may have missed this but what is the schedule for the draft? I thought it was on Saturday? Or maybe that is rounds 2-7? THanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck the Duck Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 First round Friday night. Rounds 2-7 start Saturday afternoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpathianForest Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 What time does the draft start EST? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck the Duck Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 I believe 7 pm est. At least that is what the tv listing says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sokar Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 I think the Devils witll pick either Pavel Zacha or Mathew Barzal, but if I had to put money on it I am thinking Pavel Zacha. He is 6' 3" and it seems teams like big centers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 http://pucksandpitchforks.com/2015/06/22/new-jersey-devils-nhl-draft-notes-barzal-vs-zacha/ this article is saying that NHL comparison to barzal and Zacha would be Henrique and Lucic............... well color me underwhelmed if that's the case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerzey Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 (edited) Devils will draft best player available at No. 6, even if it's a defenseman I'd really like to see their rankings of BPA. Edited June 24, 2015 by Jerzey Devil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 i'd believe in BPA if we were a "regular" team in a regular situation. But were so so so soooooooo so so so thin on forwards that you have to take one. i mean you have to start somewhere. And drafts are really a crapshoot. nothing guarantees that the player you're picking will make it and nothing guarantee that he'll really be better than the next guy. So why not just pick what we deeply need? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerzey Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) Every gm and scout in the league probably has their own bpa ranking. Unless everyone agrees on an exact ranking for bpa it doesn't exist, IMO at least. Draft for need where we are. Edited June 25, 2015 by Jerzey Devil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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