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It sucks cause were in a bad spot having to make hard decisions cause hard decisions werent made in the past. I'm obviously not a GM im simply a nobody on an internet forum but i did call what i'd do

I really only lurk on this site but I thought I'd start posting a little too.   It astounds me how many people are so quick to tank.  I understand the second level thought of tanking because people

Im not that familiar with the NHL draft, do teams trade up and down in the first rounds as frequently as NFL teams do?

 

No.  Because 2nd round picks are worth way less in the NHL than the NFL, it's harder to make deals to move up and down.  You'll often see movement past pick 10, but it's unusual to have trades in the top 10.  You also won't often see teams dealing next year's 1st round pick for something.

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For anyone suggesting a full tank:

1. What do you think our roster needs to look like by Christmas to get us in a position to be worse than Edmonton, Buffalo and Florida? Are any of Greene, Schneider and henrique retained in this hypothetical? Do they even want to stay in the primes of their career if we decide to go into a rebuild?

2. If the devils decide to do a fire sale early enough in the season to get in position to tank, what teams do you think would both be willing to pay full price for our assets and have the cap room to fit them in this early in the season? Are you willing to get $.70 on the dollar in trades in early December just to get them done and in position to tank?

3. Even if the Devils somehow got McDavid, given that the roster would need to be stripped to get him, do you think the Devils are closer to competing than if they just keep Schneider, Greene and henrique with the young defensive core and try to build from there? In addition, what assets do you propose to use to find Schneiders replacement?

4. If the Devils tank but miss out on McDavid and Eichel, what is plan B?

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I don't think it's about "tanking" really. It's about making sure to go forward. We simply can't lose any assets anymore, we've already lost too much. 

 

I mean it's pretty damn common sense to me, we are NOT gonna win the cup with this team. We're a super old team with no top prospects coming our way... Well what do you think is gonna happen if we simply let our guys walk into the sunset or walk to another team?

 

We've missed the playoffs 2 years straight doing OUR BEST to make it...  fair to say our gambles didnt pay off at all. 

 

We "might" not make it if we try to trade for assets, but we might very well get the same damn results not doing it... and the other way around... there's no positive keeping them, again, we're not winning the cup, whats the point?

 

You get the assets you can and you get wtv pick you deserve at the end of it. wont be McDavid but it's gonna be a good player.

 

Then it's giving us more cap room to try to get players in free agency too cause its pretty clear were gonna have to pick in free agency for awhile again

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The problem with tanking is you have to lose players we want locked up long term to lose enough games. Even if we got rid of Elias, Jagr, Zids, and Clowe and Ryder by some miracle, Cam, Greene, Henrique, and especially Schneider are going to win you some games. And Pittsburgh had to suck for years and add a ton of pieces before they won, so you can't unload the good players, then start from scratch with McDavid, unless you want to be like the Isles, wasting Tavares' prime. This isn't basketball, where 1 guy can change a franchise. Look how well Pitt did when Crosby had the concussion issues. Much as I'd kill to have a once in a lifetime talent at forward, there's no real fix. Which doesn't mean I'm pleased with this team.

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I don't think it's about "tanking" really. It's about making sure to go forward. We simply can't lose any assets anymore, we've already lost too much. 

 

I mean it's pretty damn common sense to me, we are NOT gonna win the cup with this team. We're a super old team with no top prospects coming our way... Well what do you think is gonna happen if we simply let our guys walk into the sunset or walk to another team?

 

We've missed the playoffs 2 years straight doing OUR BEST to make it...  fair to say our gambles didnt pay off at all. 

 

We "might" not make it if we try to trade for assets, but we might very well get the same damn results not doing it... and the other way around... there's no positive keeping them, again, we're not winning the cup, whats the point?

 

You get the assets you can and you get wtv pick you deserve at the end of it. wont be McDavid but it's gonna be a good player.

 

Then it's giving us more cap room to try to get players in free agency too cause its pretty clear were gonna have to pick in free agency for awhile again

I don't disagree that Lou should have more of an eye to the future, especially if we're several points out in February. Moves like trading for redundant pieces like Ruutu at the deadline when we could be pawning off a vet drives me nuts as well. What I'm taking issue with is the premise of the thread saying we should give up now and tank. Even if they Devils landed one of McDavid or Eichel, they still need to find 3-4 more good young forwards which is really where we find ourselves right now anyway. If you believe that our only chance to land top offensive talent is by tanking and getting the surefire top pick, that's more an indictment of our current scouting and development group. If that's the case, we'll need to stay at the bottom for 3 to 4 years to get all the top 6 forwards we need.

My point is, that as poorly constructed as this team is, the road back to being legitimate contender in the east is not as far off or hopeless as some make it seem. The goalie is in place, I don't think there is an NHL team out there with a more promising group of defenseman under 23, so we're back to needing to find those 3-4 young skill forwards. It's a deep draft so a good start would be finally hitting on a scorer in the 8-13 range (where I think we're headed) in a deep draft. Every years there's a guy like Nichuskin, F Forsberg, Tarasenko, Couture, Boedker or Jaden Schwartz available around there. How much better would things looks if we hit on two of those level guys in the next two drafts? I'm not sure the people we have in place in scouting and development are necessarily the ones who can pull that off but then you find people who can, not tear everything down and go full rebuild.

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One of the moves the devils should make is trade Ryder. We are not going to resign him so might as well get something. I don't think the devils would play any different with out him

Zidlicky as well given that Gelinas seems to be growing into that role. A 2nd for Zidlicky and a 3rd for Ryder at the deadline would be a good haul.

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Zidlicky as well given that Gelinas seems to be growing into that role. A 2nd for Zidlicky and a 3rd for Ryder at the deadline would be a good haul.

If the devils are willing to retain some of Ryder cap you could get more than a 3rd pick

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Too bad we don't have a top line center to dangle to Edm.  i would not want D. Perron. It would take more to pry Eberle away, but that might put us further into the hole. Damn, where's Pikkareinen when you need him?

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I think the return of camm has shown that our top line is not completely done yet, ruutu is playing well, henrique has returned, sal is sitting, the young D hasnt imploded, and we're fighting the sens, leafs, caps and philly for a couple of PO spots, 2?  not unrealistic with a hot schnieds

 

Im putting this thread on hold until the trading deadline

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I actually agree with the selling. There's just no core here. A few young defensemen who may or may not pan out, a few mid level forwards (Zajac, Henrique) who, while important, aren't making or breaking anything, and what else are we looking at in three years? Who knows what we're getting from Boucher and Matteau. I think you gotta move what you have at this point to get some prospects and picks. Jagr, i'm sure someone will give us something for Ryder. I don't know, but it doesn't look great to me

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