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No. These guys can put up those numbers as passengers on top lines with players that can drive play. Disregarding my disappointment in the deployment of the top 6, the group of 12 forwards out there are terrible.

 

Two 4th lines in your bottom 6 (production wise as Sarge said). The top line consisted of 42-year-old Jagr, Scott fvcking Gomez and Martin Havlat. It's 2014. They are slow and have trouble creating offense. If you can't look past coaching, that's too bad.

 

The group for the past 3 games is as bad as a forward group you will see in the NHL. It's trash.

 

Coaching is the biggest problem bro.  It doesn't change the fact that they don't compete.  If the roster is bad, fine.  But even if we were the Blackhawks right now, we'd still be sucking with Deboer as coach.

 

Worse rosters are better than us record wise, and we've had worse roster than this in the past and made it to the playoffs.

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Coaching is the biggest problem bro. It doesn't change the fact that they don't compete. If the roster is bad, fine. But even if we were the Blackhawks right now, we'd still be sucking with Deboer as coach.

Worse rosters are better than us record wise, and we've had worse roster than this in the past and made it to the playoffs.

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We are the Oilers of the East.  There is no compete with this team.  Buffalo and Carolina are two bad teams that still make you earn your win against them.  They may have a bad roster, but they actually put forth a good solid effort.  Florida is another team doing it. They're knocking on the doors for a playoff spot.  A good coach gets his team to actually compete as hard as they can.

 

This team may have old forwards, and a young defensive core.  But those old forwards are still good players.  We have like 5 players capable of putting up 50 points, and we have an additional 3 or so who can put up 40 points.  The talent level of the roster imo isn't bad.  But even if it is a bad roster, there is no excuse for just going through the motions and not competing.  I think it all comes back to coaching.

 

Oh Please.

 

I think it's fair to question whether the old forwards are really good players.  I'm not even sure a few of them can be considered close to average.  Zubrus is kind of a shell.  He's had a few decent games in the last 2-3 weeks, but he's not a guy who can bring his bread and butter game night in and night out, and his offensive ability some games just is not even there at all.

Elias may have just fallen off a cliff.  Even Jagr despite what some advanced stats say is just not what he was the past few years and looks a lot slower and less impactful.  Ryder is not what one would consider old age wise, but as a player who needs to score to be of any use or value returned, he might as well be filling out his retirement papers soon.  Havlat is what he is...........scores one game.........constantly injured the next 15 out of 20.

 

Jagr is still useful, but even he is showing his limits to a far greater degree than we've seen.    

Coaching is the biggest problem bro.  It doesn't change the fact that they don't compete.  If the roster is bad, fine.  But even if we were the Blackhawks right now, we'd still be sucking with Deboer as coach.

 

Worse rosters are better than us record wise, and we've had worse roster than this in the past and made it to the playoffs.

 

Nonsense.  And I don't even like Deboer.  Stop glossing over the obvious roster deficiencies and issues with evaluation that lie in the front office as well.

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They are playing the Flyers. That alone is reason not to write them off tonight.

And all the while the Flyer fans were saying "We got this, it's the Devils." Ouch. Argh.

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Time? I know you disagree but this team is better than this. If they're indeed not, then play the young kids. Why watch the same sh!t play over and over again? Even if they're a really bad team on paper, that doesn't excuse basic mistakes and terrible coaching.

 

But the team really isn't much better than this.  You've got aging guys, injured guys, scrap-heap guys.  Not only do they not score (57 GF in their last 28 GP), but as we're seeing, they also can't stop the other team from shooting at will.  The Devils have been outshot 933-781 on the season.  31.1 shots against per game.  These aren't the Devils we once knew.     

 

What young kids?  Boucher?  Sure, you could do that, but don't expect much from him (not right away, anyway, but I don't think he's going to be much of an NHL player).  You can bring up some of the mid-20s AAAA players from Albany if you want, but don't expect much from those guys either.  They're like many backup NFL QBs...there's a mystique about this guys until they actually start playing, and then you realize why they're not starters to begin with. 

 

This is going to be a step-by-step process.  The deadwood will have to be expunged...the returns on those guys will likely be minimal or flat-out nonexistent (as was the case with Brunner), but at least they'll be off the team.  But for now, yeah, it will probably be more of the same.  I don't know a coach on the planet who will get much more out of this team.     

 

This is going to be one of those years where you're probably going to just have to take the ugliness and the losing for a while.  I'm curious what Lou is thinking, re:  PDB.  It's getting to the point where Lou has to decide if he

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But the team really isn't much better than this.  You've got aging guys, injured guys, scrap-heap guys.  Not only do they not score (57 GF in their last 28 GP), but as we're seeing, they also can't stop the other team from shooting at will.  The Devils have been outshot 933-781 on the season.  31.1 shots against per game.  These aren't the Devils we once knew.     

 

What young kids?  Boucher?  Sure, you could do that, but don't expect much from him (not right away, anyway, but I don't think he's going to be much of an NHL player).  You can bring up some of the mid-20s AAAA players from Albany if you want, but don't expect much from those guys either.  They're like many backup NFL QBs...there's a mystique about this guys until they actually start playing, and then you realize why they're not starters to begin with. 

 

This is going to be a step-by-step process.  The deadwood will have to be expunged...the returns on those guys will likely be minimal or flat-out nonexistent (as was the case with Brunner), but at least they'll be off the team.  But for now, yeah, it will probably be more of the same.  I don't know a coach on the planet who will get much more out of this team.     

 

This is going to be one of those years where you're probably going to just have to take the ugliness and the losing for a while.  I'm curious what Lou is thinking, re:  PDB.  It's getting to the point where Lou has to decide if he

 

... decide if he what...

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Worse rosters are better than us record wise, and we've had worse roster than this in the past and made it to the playoffs.

Everything about what you said here is wrong. This roster is probably one of the worst NHL rosters in recent memory. Talent wise, we are certainly in one of the worst positions possible up front. We're bad and old. At least Carolina and Buffalo haven't hit their ceilings yet, not even close. And as those teams age, they'll be in a position to plug in a few ufas around a core. This team is just bad. This isn't pessimism, it's the truth. I'm also not moping around about it. Teams are bad, it happens, and I'm still watching every game like it matters. My only concern is that with this teams complete lack of exposure and absence of any real marketing, a consistently terrible team can hurt attendance numbers and the growth of the fan base.

Was anyone else in Philly last night? The place was about as dead as I've ever seen an NHL arena, and it was nearly full.

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... decide if he what...

 

Whoops...cliffhanger.

 

Decide if the coach or the players are the problem.  I could be 100% wrong, but the fact that Pete's still here (and that his input seemed to have a lot to do with Brunner getting the heave-ho) tells me that Lou thinks it's more on the players at this point. 

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Whoops...cliffhanger.

 

Decide if the coach or the players are the problem.  I could be 100% wrong, but the fact that Pete's still here (and that his input seemed to have a lot to do with Brunner getting the heave-ho) tells me that Lou thinks it's more on the players at this point.

Lou needs to come to the realization that it's also on him and his front office core. I'm not holding my breath on that happening. There's just very little accountability or activity with is team right now.

Right now there is nothing coming at forward even from Albany. Boucher and Matteau are doing pretty much nothing down there.

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so we have a few "POTENTIAL" 50 pt players . who most havent actually scored 50 pts more than once in the last 5 years due to injuries and slumps. most teams have multiple 80 pts "potential" players in the lineup across the 1st and second lines.  with this team it is potential and "IFs"..if the stars all aligned yeah we could play good.

 

how many years in a row can a coach spark a team to go 110% every night? I can care less if deboer is fired. I want to tank this year and next and look towards 2016

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Lou needs to come to the realization that it's also on him and his front office core. I'm not holding my breath on that happening. There's just very little accountability or activity with is team right now.

Right now there is nothing coming at forward even from Albany. Boucher and Matteau are doing pretty much nothing down there.

 

Lou is not an idiot.  I don't think he looks at the team he assembled and thinks to himself "Wow, me and my front office have sure done an awesome job building this team and stocking the farm with future stars." 

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Whoops...cliffhanger.

 

Decide if the coach or the players are the problem.  I could be 100% wrong, but the fact that Pete's still here (and that his input seemed to have a lot to do with Brunner getting the heave-ho) tells me that Lou thinks it's more on the players at this point. 

 

The fact that DeBoer's still here makes me think it's Lou's way of acknowledging he's to blame..

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Lou is not an idiot.  I don't think he looks at the team he assembled and thinks to himself "Wow, me and my front office have sure done an awesome job building this team and stocking the farm with future stars."

He needs to step down and let a new GM come in.

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He needs to step down and let a new GM come in.

i feel lke everyone is so fast to point blame in every direction here.. everyone blames pete for this and that he has a bunch of crap players he is trying to perform with.. its not so easy to build a contending team when the majority of players are much past their prime and were never huge stars to begin with, the talent just is not there to work with. ..as far as lou goes how much do you expect him to do with what he himself as to work with as well he cant trade away certain players here and the ones he can trade either hold no value or no one wants aka brunner. He can only pay so much in FA i know people like to blame him for losing ZP but whatever who knew koval was going to stick it up our asses.. and he was the better of the two players to keep if he had to pick one.. you dont know what he was dealing with under the old ownership as far as finances went.
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I only really watched about the first 8-10 minutes of the game last night and then the rest of the game casually watched it while flipping between other channels.  Since the Devils were giving meh effort I was going to give them meh interest.  There are about 50-55 games left and I will be damned if I get hyped up over every one.

 

Re: Lou.  I don't blame Lou at all for everything that has happened to get to this point.  A lot of it was simply out of his hands.  I agree he dipped into the FA market way more than he liked.  I also think that it was wise to pass on Parise for the money he was asking (he would probably still be here if the new CBA kicked in before his contract expired with the Devils), Kovy was completely out of his hands and I never cared for Clarkson so he can pretend he is Wendel Clark in Toronto for I care (best thing is he is not even close).  For 20 years Lou was in a "win-now" situation because of the success of the team and for that he had to mortgage a lot of the future.  I think this has finally caught up to him and the fact that it took 20 friggin years really shows how crafty he was in keeping the success going.

 

However, at this point to move forward and put the team back in the mix for the future, I am not sure if Lou is really the right guy anymore.  Besides his age I really haven't seen anything from him in the near past to indicate he has the skills to really assemble a team that can compete in the new NHL.  He won't have to forcibly tear apart the team to start from scratch as outside of 4-6 players no one is signed beyond next season.  I am, however, no confident in his drafting skills anymore and a lot of that falls on both him and Conte.

 

The team needs at the very least a partial re-build.  I am just not sure Lou is the right guy anymore for it.

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All I will say is, this is not the worst year to have this happen to us. This team needs to rebuild. It will be ugly, and will be painful to watch. But it needs to happen.

I agree. McDavid isn't gonna happen, but we should get a top 5-6 pick in a very deep draft, which should offer us the opportunity to draft an impact forward. Edited by MadDog2020
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There's a lottery. Keep losing and you better the odds. This franchise badly needs one of those top two picks. Would be an absolute game changer.

Preaching to the choir DR. It would be amazing to get one of those top 2 picks, but this team, as bad as it is, is still probably too good for that. I'm not holding my breath on winning the lottery. We aren't that lucky lol.
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