William D'Aquila Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Carlyle fired are more moves in the pipeline.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazer Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 PDB for JVR straight up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William D'Aquila Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share Posted January 6, 2015 Severson and Matteau for JVR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William D'Aquila Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share Posted January 6, 2015 Nonis: ``I've said before, players are move-able.'' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Severson and Matteau for JVRI wouldn't trade Severson for all the gold in Fort Knox. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 @TSNBobMcKenzie: Industry expectation is summer could see many big-name coaching candidates available, so I'd guess TOR likely to go interim route for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerzey Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 @TSNBobMcKenzie: Industry expectation is summer could see many big-name coaching candidates available, so I'd guess TOR likely to go interim route for now. Maybe we'll see Shannahan behind the bench until summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Severson and Matteau for JVR That would be a bad trade for us. Relatedly, can the Devils hold out for anything of value if the Leafs really want DeBoer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 That would be a bad trade for us. Relatedly, can the Devils hold out for anything of value if the Leafs really want DeBoer? No. NHL teams no longer need to be compensated when another team hires away one of their employees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils731 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 And the Devils never hold personnel back from going to other clubs anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Come to think of it, they're probably delusional enough up there to wait and see if Babcock leaves Detroit (he won't) before they do anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Come to think of it, they're probably delusional enough up there to wait and see if Babcock leaves Detroit (he won't) before they do anything. Well the Leafs would have no issue doubling whatever Detroit would pay him, especially if the natives end up getting really restless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Well the Leafs would have no issue doubling whatever Detroit would pay him, especially if the natives end up getting really restless.You'd have to be nuts to leave that situation for the circus in Toronto. Certifiably insane. More money or not. Babcock has it good- the Red Wings are a top notch organization from top to bottom. He should just stay where he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aylbert Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 You'd have to be nuts to leave that situation for the circus in Toronto. Certifiably insane. More money or not. Babcock has it good- the Red Wings are a top notch organization from top to bottom. He should just stay where he is. Unless you think highly enough of yourself... and you want your legacy to include "restoring the Leafs to glory" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLinfante Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 To be fair, the best athletes (and coaches) tend to have a challenge-driven mentality. I dont think that Babs should consider leaving but I wouldnt be surprised if there is more of a draw to the Toronto job than we're accounting for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsfan118 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 I bet they move Kessel. Wonder what it'd realistically take to get him from TO? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 I wouldn't trade Severson for all the gold in Fort Knox. I wouldn't go that far but certainly not for JVR, who I do like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 I wouldn't go that far but certainly not for JVR, who I do like.I'd go that far. Severson is the best defense prospect this organization has had since Scott Niedermayer, and it isn't close. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Eco Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 (edited) You'd have to be nuts to leave that situation for the circus in Toronto. Certifiably insane. More money or not. Babcock has it good- the Red Wings are a top notch organization from top to bottom. He should just stay where he is. Clarkson did it. It's the mentality that you can restore an old former great team back to glory. It's how the Rangers can continue to draw UFAs in at their whim. That egotistical thought process is what keeps places like Toronto and Montreal and New York afloat personnel-wise despite years of futility. On paper, who'd want to coach these teams? But no, the thought process is, "Hey, I'm the guy to do it," kinda like a business that keeps changing management and always fails. On a long enough timeline SOMEONE in fact will succeed, and everyone thinks it can be them. Edited January 6, 2015 by DJ Eco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLL765 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 I'd go that far. Severson is the best defense prospect this organization has had since Scott Niedermayer, and it isn't close. Only way you don't just hang up the phone if someone mentions Severson's name is if the name of a truly elite forward talent is coming the other way. Even then I'd be very hesitant to trade him. He's going to be REALLY good. Have to give him at least another season or two to see just how good he's going to be otherwise trading him could be one of those decisions that haunts a franchise for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 (edited) Only way you don't just hang up the phone if someone mentions Severson's name is if the name of a truly elite forward talent is coming the other way. Even then I'd be very hesitant to trade him. He's going to be REALLY good. Have to give him at least another season or two to see just how good he's going to be otherwise trading him could be one of those decisions that haunts a franchise for a while.If say, Tampa called and said 'Severson'?- my reply would be 'Stamkos'? Then we'd see who could hang the phone up quicker lol. Edited January 6, 2015 by MadDog2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLL765 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 If say, Tampa called and said 'Severson'?- my reply would be 'Stamkos'? Then we'd see who could hang the phone up quicker lol. That's what I'm saying, lol. If a name like Kane, Stamkos, Hall, etc isn't offered up in return, then you can forget about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William D'Aquila Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share Posted January 6, 2015 I bet they move Kessel. Wonder what it'd realistically take to get him from TO? They need D, the Devils have a plethora of a young dman, I would imagine that would be the ideal starting point. Severson - ideally you don't want to get rid of him Larsson - potential trade chip Merrill - potential trade chip Gelinas - potential trade chip Severson brings the same skill-set as Gelinas, but can actually play D. Larsson and Merrill are even. Merrill might have better mobility, but Larsson has a stronger d game, and there are glimpses of offense. I keep Larsson over Merrill. So far you have Merrill and Gelinas to work with. Offensive forward prospects Boucher and Matteau. You trade Boucher, because Kessel is the player we are getting back. However, Toronto has puck possession issues, which likely makes Matteau the more attractive player to them. I give in and give them Matteau. So now we have Gelinas, Merrill, and Matteau. That isn't enough, but you can sweeten the pot with our draft pick this year as long as you get Toronto's 1st back this year or next. So you offer Merrill, Gelinas, Matteau, Ryder, and our 2015 pick. In return we get Kessel and their 2015 1st. Cammy Zajac Kessel Elias Gomez Jagr Ruutu Henrique Havlat Zubrus Jo Bernier/Gionta Greene Larsson Severson Hegelson Zidlicky Fraser/Harrold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewarkDevil5 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Clarkson did it. It's the mentality that you can restore an old former great team back to glory. It's how the Rangers can continue to draw UFAs in at their whim. That egotistical thought process is what keeps places like Toronto and Montreal and New York afloat personnel-wise despite years of futility. On paper, who'd want to coach these teams? But no, the thought process is, "Hey, I'm the guy to do it," kinda like a business that keeps changing management and always fails. On a long enough timeline SOMEONE in fact will succeed, and everyone thinks it can be them. Except that the Rangers were never a "great" team. Toronto has had 13 cup wins all of them before expansion. New York has had a grand total of 4 cup wins all but one of them long before expansion. That means that in a 40 year time period that saw the NHL averaging between 6 and 10 teams, the Rangers managed to put together a grand total of 3 cup wins. For 27 years between 1940 and 1967 they were one of 6 or 7 teams and couldn't pull off a single cup win. Heck, in that span they only went to the finals once! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 They need D, the Devils have a plethora of a young dman, I would imagine that would be the ideal starting point. Severson - ideally you don't want to get rid of him Larsson - potential trade chip Merrill - potential trade chip Gelinas - potential trade chip Severson brings the same skill-set as Gelinas, but can actually play D. Larsson and Merrill are even. Merrill might have better mobility, but Larsson has a stronger d game, and there are glimpses of offense. I keep Larsson over Merrill. So far you have Merrill and Gelinas to work with. Offensive forward prospects Boucher and Matteau. You trade Boucher, because Kessel is the player we are getting back. However, Toronto has puck possession issues, which likely makes Matteau the more attractive player to them. I give in and give them Matteau. So now we have Gelinas, Merrill, and Matteau. That isn't enough, but you can sweeten the pot with our draft pick this year as long as you get Toronto's 1st back this year or next. So you offer Merrill, Gelinas, Matteau, Ryder, and our 2015 pick. In return we get Kessel and their 2015 1st. Cammy Zajac Kessel Elias Gomez Jagr Ruutu Henrique Havlat Zubrus Jo Bernier/Gionta Greene Larsson Severson Hegelson Zidlicky Fraser/Harrold no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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