eaglejelly Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/18/media/fox-apologizes-for-anti-islam-comments/ Fox News took time out of four broadcasts on Saturday to apologize for four separate instances of incorrect information that portrayed Muslims in a negative light . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squishyx Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=524_1421523639 uh uh uh Man, that segment gives Jon Stewart a run for his money. Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglejelly Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=524_1421523639 uh uh uh Hilarious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarDew Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=524_1421523639 uh uh uh :rofl: Perfect!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrydevil Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Marine Le Pen with an op-Ed in the New York Times. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/19/opinion/marine-le-pen-france-was-attacked-by-islamic-fundamentalism.html?_r=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moustic Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 The City of Paris is about to sue Fox News... From your knowledge of american laws & system... How smart that could be ? What are the odds that something "bad" happen to Fox News with that ? From what I see.. it seems pointless or at least... just for the principal (and i have no problem with that) Usually in France, we don't use Justice for stuff like that.. and we don't sue that much.. so i'm kind of surprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 (edited) The City of Paris is about to sue Fox News... From your knowledge of american laws & system... How smart that could be ? What are the odds that something "bad" happen to Fox News with that ? From what I see.. it seems pointless or at least... just for the principal (and i have no problem with that) Usually in France, we don't use Justice for stuff like that.. and we don't sue that much.. so i'm kind of surprise This suit wouldn't last two seconds in a US court for a number of reasons, that I can get into if you want, but it's fairly academic. I don't know what the libel laws are in France, but even if Paris could win some kind of lawsuit in France, US law would not recognize the judgment, so theoretically Paris couldn't collect on any assets Fox holds in the US.And frankly, if the idea is that freedom of speech is sacrosanct, Paris ought to take the high road, and accept the pretty quick retraction that Fox made. By comparison Rolling Stone magazine, with plenty of deliberation ahead of time, published a slanderous article about a supposed fraternity gang rape that on its face was less plausible than a UFO abduction story. Although the magazine retracted the article, after about a month, it never said that it should have realized the story was a hoax from the very start. And Rolling Stone, to my knowledge had not been sued by the fraternity where the article claimed the rape occurred. And so far as I know the author is still a member in good standing in the journalism community, which tells you everything you need to know about that community. EDIT: here's a law professors take on any kind of lawsuit. (Confirms my initial analysis was correct. Yay!!) http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/01/20/paris-mayor-threatens-to-sue-fox-for-insulting-paris-and-injuring-its-honor-with-no-go-zones/ Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited January 21, 2015 by Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 This suit wouldn't last two seconds in a US court for a number of reasons, that I can get into if you want, but it's fairly academic. I don't know what the libel laws are in France, but even if Paris could win some kind of lawsuit in France, US law would not recognize the judgment, so theoretically Paris couldn't collect on any assets Fox holds in the US. And frankly, if the idea is that freedom of speech is sacrosanct, Paris ought to take the high road, and accept the pretty quick retraction that Fox made. By comparison Rolling Stone magazine, with plenty of deliberation ahead of time, published a slanderous article about a supposed fraternity gang rape that on its face was less plausible than a UFO abduction story. Although the magazine retracted the article, after about a month, it never said that it should have realized the story was a hoax from the very start. And Rolling Stone, to my knowledge had not been sued by the fraternity where the article claimed the rape occurred. And so far as I know the author is still a member in good standing or he journalism community. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk You mean a liberal rag that is part of a dying industry covering a dying industry doesn't receive the backlash a conservative news outlet gets for these types of things?! Color me not shocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 You mean a liberal rag that is part of a dying industry covering a dying industry doesn't receive the backlash a conservative news outlet gets for these types of things?! Color me not shocked. I imagine Emerson probably won't be on Fox News anymore. Meanwhile, Al Sharpton is celebrated by the likes of Jon Stewart, has his own TV show on MSNBC and is an advisor to the President. Sharpton's track record when it comes to falsehoods and stirring up hatred -- with people getting killed in the process -- dwarfs anything that's ever been on Fox News. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moustic Posted January 21, 2015 Author Share Posted January 21, 2015 I do have a question...Do people and/or media talk about this fox news so called no go zone in USA? Or is it just a thing here in Europe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 I do have a question...Do people and/or media talk about this fox news so called no go zone in USA? Or is it just a thing here in Europe? I haven't heard the term "no go zone", but people, including Vice News, refer to parts of Chicago as "Chiraq." You can take a couple of wrong turns around the Rock, and know you're in a "no go zone." There are dangerous parts of major cities where control of every day affairs is effectively conceded to street gangs, and police don't go unless called. This is just one example: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/11/26/the-disappearing-cops-of-east-st-louis.html Apparently, 60 percent of the prison population in France is Muslim (and that's according to Muslim leaders). http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/28/AR2008042802560.html So if the majority of the prison population comes from one particular religious group that makes up about 10 percent of the population, it's a pretty safe bet that there are dangerous Muslim neighborhoods in France where if you didn't want to be a crime victim especially if you're not a Muslim yourself, you would stay out of... the same way that there are parts of Newark that I am staying out of. That's why I found the whole "no go zone" thing fairly harmless until there were specific claims about sharia being the law in certain places of France, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglejelly Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) I do have a question...Do people and/or media talk about this fox news so called no go zone in USA? Or is it just a thing here in Europe? In the US we are more worried about the pressure in (American) footballs at the moment. To answer your question, it was talked a bit about in the news channels, but there wasn't any mention of it in the regular evening news Edited January 21, 2015 by eaglejelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrydevil Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 In the US we are more worried about the pressure in (American) footballs at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Evidently, CNN would also refer to parts of Europe as "no go zones". http://deadline.com/2015/01/anderson-cooper-apology-no-go-zone-cnn-1201355227/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrydevil Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 The continued overreaction to the "no-go zone" dust-up is a way for "anti-racists" to shout down people who aren't happy with immigration policy in the EU. So what if the "no go zones" are fiction? There are still too many non-whites in Europe. I think even the biggest lover of multiculturalism would have to admit that there's a limit to how many non-whites a European country can have before it's not a European country anymore. I hear that Birmingham, England, has so many Muslims that they're considering calling in Birming-no-ham! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyFan42 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I think even the biggest lover of multiculturalism would have to admit that there's a limit to how many non-whites a European country can have before it's not a European country anymore. Race and ethnicity does not change geography. A European country will always be a European country. Because it's in bleeping Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Race and ethnicity does not change geography. A European country will always be a European country. Because it's in bleeping Europe. But the culture changes based on race and ethnicity, which is really what he's talking about. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moustic Posted January 23, 2015 Author Share Posted January 23, 2015 I can't talk about England (especially as my english is bad and broken ; ) ) but what are you talking about changing our culture or stuff like that ? If you are taking muslim only... they are what ? 7% of french population... (after checking, 7,5%) ... what changing can they do ? And you forget something (you must know that already !) French are so stubborn.. we won't change like that ! Ok let's take real number (source are the demography institute ... you can't be more official) In 2008 (and there isn't a HUGE change since) number of immigrate people(in K) : 11 952 (couting first coming and second generation) the huge % of that will come from Europe (of course) but i guess that's what you call non-white people... but we really don't have the same culture as the Italian and the spanish (for example)... maybe from your point of view, it's the same "label Europe" but we are more alike with .. I dunno.. Canada, than Spain. But whatever. ok " non white people" things... for the rest of the % it's equal between asia & coming from " arabic country " So yeah i can see an influence of both these population coming to us : More good food ! yeah we already have got our own good food... but we like food enough to incorporate foreigner food into our habits (is it ok ?) You may believe that Marine LePen is a mighty power here... but the "better" result this sh!tty party got is 21% with everyone on the line France is a country that is really into center.. not too left at all and right side must be "republicaine" (not the same definition of your republican) ... extrem from both side doesn't stand a real chance here (so far) There is trouble and problem .. based on difference of culture. of course... and based on social drama etc... like in every wealthy country ! but no.. France isn't eaten to the roots by what you call the " non white " population... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I can't talk about England (especially as my english is bad and broken ; ) ) but what are you talking about changing our culture or stuff like that ? If you are taking muslim only... they are what ? 7% of french population... (after checking, 7,5%) ... what changing can they do ? And you forget something (you must know that already !) French are so stubborn.. we won't change like that ! Ok let's take real number (source are the demography institute ... you can't be more official) In 2008 (and there isn't a HUGE change since) number of immigrate people(in K) : 11 952 (couting first coming and second generation) the huge % of that will come from Europe (of course) but i guess that's what you call non-white people... but we really don't have the same culture as the Italian and the spanish (for example)... maybe from your point of view, it's the same "label Europe" but we are more alike with .. I dunno.. Canada, than Spain. But whatever. ok " non white people" things... for the rest of the % it's equal between asia & coming from " arabic country " So yeah i can see an influence of both these population coming to us : More good food ! yeah we already have got our own good food... but we like food enough to incorporate foreigner food into our habits (is it ok ?) You may believe that Marine LePen is a mighty power here... but the "better" result this sh!tty party got is 21% with everyone on the line France is a country that is really into center.. not too left at all and right side must be "republicaine" (not the same definition of your republican) ... extrem from both side doesn't stand a real chance here (so far) There is trouble and problem .. based on difference of culture. of course... and based on social drama etc... like in every wealthy country ! but no.. France isn't eaten to the roots by what you call the " non white " population... The question though is whether those values will remain if France becomes say 30 or 40 percent Muslim. I'm not a demographer, so I can't tell you whether that's a realistic scenario or not. I'm also not that familiar with how successful France is at assimilating immigrants generally, to the extent that you can measure such a thing. But whatever the case, it doesn't do anyone any good to dismiss those concerns as too sensitive to even talk about, or just ridicule because some guy on Fox News said something silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrydevil Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 You may believe that Marine LePen is a mighty power here... but the "better" result this sh!tty party got is 21% with everyone on the line France is a country that is really into center.. not too left at all and right side must be "republicaine" (not the same definition of your republican) ... extrem from both side doesn't stand a real chance here (so far) She's not in power yet, but her power is growing. Twenty-one percent is a significant number. National Front was deep in the single digits not that long ago. Why is that percentage growing? I would say that it is growing because more people are correctly realizing that France's pathological views on equality and fraternity (what you call republicanism) won't save their country. Most of the North African people who live in France have no intention of embracing the secularism that the French hold so dear. You can't "assimilate" that many of them. They would use democracy to get the kind of country THEY want. That takes numbers. And so I ask again, what percentage of Africans are you willing to have in France, given that most of them would choose their god over France's secularism (which is basically Christian ethics without the church)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moustic Posted February 2, 2015 Author Share Posted February 2, 2015 This is a really interesting interview from Luz, one of the drawer of Charlie Hebdo.. a survivor. This is, of course moving, but also really interesting to understand what's on their mind and what are their belief. You may agree or not with him/them... but they are important (that's why they were targetted with such a fury) (and defend by almost whole country after that) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrydevil Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) It's hard to be sympathetic with Charlie Hebdo. It's a magazine that claims the right to satirize anyone it wants in the most obscene manner, for the sake of its own amusement. It doesn't stand for anything more than that.Should Charlie Hebdo be permitted to publish as it pleases? Yes, but the cartoonist who survived admits that it will be very difficult to do so. He also says that most Muslims wouldn't kill over a cartoon, and he's right about that.He also says that Muhammad is "just a chap," and that's where this cartoonist goes blind. Muhammad is sacred to devout Muslims, and there are some Muslims willing to kill over such an insult. That does not fit his world view. It is an affront to his right to publish anything he pleases without the fear of violence. I do pity this man, as he feels helpless. He clearly wants his Western government to protect his right to offend, but he has no idea how that can happen without offending his own deeply rooted beliefs about equality and fraternity among all peoples. He knows that there are Muslims who will never see it his way, and that they will resort to violence when they are slighted. He wants to believe that we all can live in peace ("I hugged a Muslim at Charb's funeral") but he knows deep down that we can't. What a quandary. He might as well kill himself, I guess, because his world view offers no hope whatsoever. Edited February 4, 2015 by Jerrydevil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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