Daniel Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 (edited) Realistically I don't believe that we'll end up in the bottom 2 position BUT do you think that say a team like Edmonton ended up there ... they would be willing to trade the first pick to us if we offered Severson and our 1st ... say we finished 5th or 6th. I see two types of plausible McDavid trades, at least by message board bs standards. The team picking one trades for the number two pick plus an excellent player (hypothetically, Buffalo trades the number one pick to Edmonton for the number 2 pick and Taylor Hall). The other would be an enormous package of players and first round picks for the next two or three years, which is what was the return the last time a projected generational talent was traded (Lindros). So if the Devils end up with the fifth or sixth pick, it might look something like -- McDavid for 2015, 2016, 2017 first round picks, Severson, Larsson, Henrique. The caveat is that I think Schneider's no trade clause doesn't kick in until the start of next season, so he would be the deal minus one or two of the components I suggested if that's the case. Edited January 9, 2015 by Daniel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeDev Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I see two types of plausible McDavid trades, at least by message board bs standards. The team picking one trades for the number two pick plus an excellent player (hypothetically, Buffalo trades the number one pick to Edmonton for the number 2 pick and Taylor Hall). The other would be an enormous package of players and first round picks for the next two or three years, which is what was the return the last time a projected generational talent was traded (Lindros). So if the Devils end up with the fifth or sixth pick, it might look something like -- McDavid for 2015, 2016, 2017 first round picks, Severson, Larsson, Henrique. The caveat is that I think Schneider's no trade clause doesn't kick in until the start of next season, so he would be the deal minus one or two of the components I suggested if that's the case. oh.... well then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derlique Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 So if the Devils end up with the fifth or sixth pick, it might look something like -- McDavid for 2015, 2016, 2017 first round picks, Severson, Larsson, Henrique. This is insanity. If we pick, say 6th, I think it would be something like: McDavid for 2015 1st 2016 1st Henrique (top 6 young fwd signed to good deal) Larsson OR Merrill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerzey Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I still think we'd be better off taking Strome or Marner at 5 or 6 (assuming one of them is available) and keeping our future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 This is insanity. If we pick, say 6th, I think it would be something like: McDavid for 2015 1st 2016 1st Henrique (top 6 young fwd signed to good deal) Larsson OR Merrill That doesn't get it done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoekster316 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Better Case Scenario: The Devils pull it together, Schneider goes on an amazing run, and this team somehow pulls back into playoff contention and gets there. This can't happen without Schneider playing outstanding hockey and while this will hurt the Devils long-term, it also can't happen without some contributions by younger Devils - it's a long hill to climb, and everyone's going to have to pitch in to get there. We know this team doesn't have any superstars. Best Case Scenario: The Devils get a little better, but not enough to credibly consider themselves in the playoff race. They trade away the guys they have to trade away and finish right around where they are now. Schneider ends up having a good season, Kinkaid too, and the young D finishes out the year strong; the offense just isn't there enough nights. NJ picks between 4th and 7th overall in the draft. I'm all for the "Best Case Scenario" - get a top pick and trade away most, if not all, pending UFAs. As for the "Better Case Scenario," not trying to be a Debbie Downer here but in order to even have a chance over 50% (55.1%) of making the playoffs, the Devils would have to go 27-8-4 for the remaining 39 games. That'd be a legendary, all-time NHL turnaround by a team that hasn't won more than 2 games in a row since the first 3 games of the season. I know many will likely reference the second half of the 2010-2011 season under Lemaire, but even then the team went 29-17-3 and I'd strongly argue that that team had much more talent. Anyways, you can check out the various scenarios for the Devils making the playoffs here: http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL/Eastern/Metropolitan/NewJersey.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 No one's trading for the 1st overall pick. There's been some moves for 1st overall but none in a while and they weren't particularly meaningful trades (just involving later picks). Lindros deals just don't work in the NHL as it is now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 (edited) This is insanity. If we pick, say 6th, I think it would be something like: McDavid for 2015 1st 2016 1st Henrique (top 6 young fwd signed to good deal) Larsson OR Merrill In terms of value the top pick is going to be worth a ransom bigger than that (think the Lindros trade) to anyone outside the top two. One not really worth paying for us given our limited assets. Edited January 9, 2015 by NJDevs4978 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devlman Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Cant we just completely tank our way to the bottom like normal teams do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 No one's trading for the 1st overall pick. There's been some moves for 1st overall but none in a while and they weren't particularly meaningful trades (just involving later picks). Lindros deals just don't work in the NHL as it is now. Yeah in a cap era picks and younger players are much more valuable. Plus you can't really throw $30-50 million into trades (whatever the 2015 eqivalent of $15 million in the early '90's is) the way they gave Quebec $15 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 No one's trading for the 1st overall pick. There's been some moves for 1st overall but none in a while and they weren't particularly meaningful trades (just involving later picks). Lindros deals just don't work in the NHL as it is now. The difference is that the number 2 pick is projected as borderline generational, which is unusual. The other thing that happens is the player pulls a Lindros or Elway. While they say McDavid doesn't have the ego, something like that isn't inconceivable if Arizona ends up with the first pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William D'Aquila Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 That doesn't get it done. And it is insanity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSkirt Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 "I don't care where we finish this year, or where we pick." I was responding to that statement, I do care where we pick, I want it as high as possible at any cost everything else Im in full agreement, slash and gash lou! I agree. Always want the better pick, but not by tanking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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