coldply123 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Pens had high hopes for Bennett seizing one of the wing spots. The fact they went out and got Perron kind of tells how the new regime views him. I know Shero and company were high on him. I think Bennett can play RW which is a black hole for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 His actions are reflecting EXACTLY what he's saying in this case. Lou always had an "all out one season at a time" approach and waiting last minute. A good example is not trading Clarkson or trying to sign him prior is the same exact path he followed being in denial about the team chances to make a dent in the playoffs and not looking long term at all. This mentality is the reason were here now, lost so many assets even if they were not huge assets with everything he lost for nothing, its accounting for quite a bit when we'd need it desperately. We're lacking skills and have nothing to trade. That's all on him and his delusional "win now" mentality. I mean it's fine if you're a top team and gamble sh!t like that like we were before or now pittsburgh, MTL etc trading away picks and top prospects to reach the next level",. Lou has been gambling hard while we couldnt afford to lose anything, he never adjusted to this new situation. Simulate a "GM Mode" with that kind of mentality in NHL15 and i can assure you that your team won't be great. i used to be so proud of Lou. But he made so fvcking many terrible decisions in the last few years that is hurting the team i can't stand him anymore. GM has been fired for WAY less than that. I really don't know how you can compare real life GM's to NHL15 simulations while keeping a straight face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLL765 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 His actions are reflecting EXACTLY what he's saying in this case. Lou always had an "all out one season at a time" approach and waiting last minute. A good example is not trading Clarkson or trying to sign him prior is the same exact path he followed being in denial about the team chances to make a dent in the playoffs and not looking long term at all. This mentality is the reason were here now, lost so many assets even if they were not huge assets with everything he lost for nothing, its accounting for quite a bit when we'd need it desperately. We're lacking skills and have nothing to trade. That's all on him and his delusional "win now" mentality. I mean it's fine if you're a top team and gamble sh!t like that like we were before or now pittsburgh, MTL etc trading away picks and top prospects to reach the next level",. Lou has been gambling hard while we couldnt afford to lose anything, he never adjusted to this new situation. Simulate a "GM Mode" with that kind of mentality in NHL15 and i can assure you that your team won't be great. i used to be so proud of Lou. But he made so fvcking many terrible decisions in the last few years that is hurting the team i can't stand him anymore. GM has been fired for WAY less than that. We all know how you feel. Why do constantly shove it down our throats again and again? Can you at least wait for Lou to make the mistakes you're already crucifying him for? It's one thing when you incessantly bring up the past, but now you're killing him for stuff he hasn't even done yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgeControl Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 ownership was in hot water and gambled on the kovy deal..that was not a business as usual move for lou. and it almost paid off, a SCF and national TV. beating the rags in the CF was worth every asset kept! it fell apart due to kovy's injuries and zachs dads illness..I dont blame lou one bit for that..clarksy??? LMAO ask leafs fans we all knew things would be rough for a few years after that... the one thing that people here do blame lou for is the drafting of forwards. rightly so ..it needs to improve now!!! lou needs to put away the duct tape and plaster patch and get use some 2015 nhl forwards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 (edited) Seriously, give it a rest about Lou SD. You're a broken record and you sound ridiculous. Edited February 12, 2015 by MadDog2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 I really don't know how you can compare real life GM's to NHL15 simulations while keeping a straight face.I almost fell off my chair when I read that part lmao. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellOnICE Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 We Can retain too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BostonNala370 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Why? He's done nothing but be a good soldier and play hard here. I have no complaints about his Devils body of work. Agree he has put forth the effort and deserves a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 (edited) This year is different SD, but keep whining and bitching about the same things anyway. The last two seasons, they weren't completely out of it like they will be this season prior to the deadline. Can't say that I'm all that broken up about Clarkson not being re-signed anyway. One of these days you'll learn that you don't ALWAYS get something back for every player, and that EVERY team loses some players for nothing, and that GMs aren't right 100% of the time. And as far as trade partners go, it does take two. You know full well activity will heat up as the deadline gets closer, and on deadline day itself. So what are you sniveling about this time exactly? That Lou isn't moving anyone right this second? Can you at least see what happens by the deadline before throwing yet another sh!tfit about Lou's MO? Yeah look at the big picture. We lose guys that fans will convince themselves that it's no big deal, we replace them with old vet who's gonna walk away into the sunset and not bring anything. We lose guys and sign guys in a panic to replace them with guys like Clowe, ryder etc etc... We lose guys like Fayne and now we have Fraser playing in the NHL again. But yeah everytime you guys are looking case by case saying it's no big deal. It's like a fvcking domino, all those bad actions are the reason where where we are with nothing to trade to get better and with a bunch of terrible contract. Make a list of all the guy who just walked and make a list of the guy we signed to replace them and see how those guys contributed and how good those contracts were. And remember all the time were saying we don't have assets to get this and this player. It's a fvcking catastrophe. We heard it all "no big deal losing Fayne for nothing" we have this and this guy to replace him... hahaha sure its not fvcking big deal, why not TRY to sign him and not piss him off to be sure he doesnt want to come back and trade extra assets to get a forward since we have NONE instead of again convincing ourselves that it's not big deal to let that many guys walk and don't try to sign them before the deadline. Lou's assets management has been TERRIBLE and anyone denying this is purely wearing 4inches thick blinders. Edited February 12, 2015 by SterioDesign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BostonNala370 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 How are you surprised by this? Furthermore, how do you not understand this? This has been Lou's MO every year and it's not really a big deal. Lou plays up until the last possible moment. When the trade deadline hits he will trade Jagr. There isn't much reason for him to do it before that. Probably more reason to wait if some team really wants Jagr or Zidlicky at the last day they might offer the Devils more than today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BostonNala370 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 No!!! I can't do this season again! It's not fair!! We have done it two in a row soon to be three in a row and next season could be four in a row. Not all of us take what Lou says at face value. I've stopped caring about what he says, because he says one thing and does another very often. Exactly, he has been doing that for years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Yeah look at the big picture. We lose guys that fans will convince themselves that it's no big deal, we replace them with old vet who's gonna walk away into the sunset and not bring anything. We lose guys and sign guys in a panic to replace them with guys like Clowe, ryder etc etc... We lose guys like Fayne and now we have Fraser playing in the NHL again. But yeah everytime you guys are looking case by case saying it's no big deal. It's like a fvcking domino, all those bad actions are the reason where where we are with nothing to trade to get better and with a bunch of terrible contract. Make a list of all the guy who just walked and make a list of the guy we signed to replace them and see how those guys contributed and how good those contracts were. And remember all the time were saying we don't have assets to get this and this player. It's a fvcking catastrophe. We heard it all "no big deal losing Fayne for nothing" we have this and this guy to replace him... hahaha sure its not fvcking big deal, why not TRY to sign him and not piss him off to be sure he doesnt want to come back and trade extra assets to get a forward since we have NONE instead of again convincing ourselves that it's not big deal to let that many guys walk and don't try to sign them before the deadline. Lou's assets management has been TERRIBLE and anyone denying this is purely wearing 4inches thick blinders. C'mon now. If Fayne is the best example you have to prove your point then that says it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BostonNala370 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 His actions are reflecting EXACTLY what he's saying in this case. Lou always had an "all out one season at a time" approach and waiting last minute. A good example is not trading Clarks trying to sign him prior is the same exact path he followed being in denial about the team chances to make a dent in the playoffs and not looking long term at all. This mentality is the reason were here now, lost so many assets even if they were not huge assets with everything he lost for nothing, its accounting for quite a bit when we'd need it desperately. We're lacking skills and have nothing to trade. That's all on him and his delusional "win now" mentality. I mean it's fine if you're a top team and gamble sh!t like that like we were before or now pittsburgh, MTL etc trading away picks and top prospects to reach the next level",. Lou has been gambling hard while we couldnt afford to lose anything, he never adjusted to this new situation. Simulate a "GM Mode" with that kind of mentality in NHL15 and i can assure you that your team won't be great. i used to be so proud of Lou. But he made so fvcking many terrible decisions in the last few years that is hurting the team i can't stand him anymore. GM has been fired for WAY less than that. I understand that history has a way of repeating it self, but it has to be done to be history so now you are using a crystal ball, a deflated one at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 (edited) Yeah look at the big picture. We lose guys that fans will convince themselves that it's no big deal, we replace them with old vet who's gonna walk away into the sunset and not bring anything. We lose guys and sign guys in a panic to replace them with guys like Clowe, ryder etc etc... We lose guys like Fayne and now we have Fraser playing in the NHL again. But yeah everytime you guys are looking case by case saying it's no big deal. It's like a fvcking domino, all those bad actions are the reason where where we are with nothing to trade to get better and with a bunch of terrible contract. Make a list of all the guy who just walked and make a list of the guy we signed to replace them and see how those guys contributed and how good those contracts were. And remember all the time were saying we don't have assets to get this and this player. It's a fvcking catastrophe. We heard it all "no big deal losing Fayne for nothing" we have this and this guy to replace him... hahaha sure its not fvcking big deal, why not TRY to sign him and not piss him off to be sure he doesnt want to come back and trade extra assets to get a forward since we have NONE instead of again convincing ourselves that it's not big deal to let that many guys walk and don't try to sign them before the deadline. Lou's assets management has been TERRIBLE and anyone denying this is purely wearing 4inches thick blinders. Aren't you always complaining that they never give the young talent a chance? Wasn't Fayne let go SPECIFICALLY to give young guys playing time?? Didn't you also say "anything can happen once you make the playoffs"? But you're also complaining that Lou kept Clarkson while the team was still in playoff contention? Didn't Lou sign Greene, Schneider, Zajac, and Henrique without "losing them for nothing"? Oh those are after Zach. How about Brodeur, Stevens, Langenbrunner, Oduya, Salvador (when he was good), Elias (twice)? Those were other UFA's that weren't "lost for nothing". But please, focus on Zach, Clarkson, and Mark f'n Fayne. Oh by the way, Mark Fayne currently ranks 7th in average ice time amongst defensemen on EDMONTON. Hes behind such stalwarts as Schultz, Petry, Klefbom, Nikitin, Ferrence, and Hunt. A huge loss for us. Edited February 12, 2015 by Devil Dan 56 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BostonNala370 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 How are you surprised by this? Furthermore, how do you not understand this? This has been Lou's MO every year and it's not really a big deal. Lou plays up until the last possible moment. When the trade deadline hits he will trade Jagr. There isn't much reason for him to do it before that. Probably more reason to wait if some team really wants Jagr or Zidlicky at the last day they might offer the Devils more than today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefiestygoat Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 From Joe Haggerty of Comcast SportsNet New England yesterday: The Bruins scouts have been tracking Drew Stafford, Chris Stewart, Michael Ryder, and Zack Kassian among others in the right wing derby, and ESPN’s Pierre Lebrun added RFA Cam Atkinson to that group on Tuesday. Don’t rule out another run at Jaromir Jagr if there isn’t a better option for the Black and Gold, but Ryder has struggled and was sitting in the press box as a healthy scratch for New Jersey last week when B’s scouts went to take a look at him. Certainly a player like Ryder would come cheap given the season he’s had with the Devils, and he enjoyed plenty of success playing on a line with David Krejci for teams of the Bruins’ past. I'll gladly take anything they can get for Ryder at this point, even though he has little value. I just want him out of here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zubie#8 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Im surprised there is even a little interest in Ryder given his last two seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Eco Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Oh by the way, Mark Fayne currently ranks 7th in average ice time amongst defensemen on EDMONTON. Hes behind such stalwarts as Schultz, Petry, Klefbom, Nikitin, Ferrence, and Hunt. A huge loss for us. That's a case of mismanagement by the coach. We're talking about a team that's given every indication that it's purposely tanking, they're in a dogfight with Buffalo. It'd be like trying to diminish Henrique as worse than Tootoo because Lou's got Tootoo on the power play on not Henrique. Mismanagement, possible tank tactics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 That's a case of mismanagement by the coach. We're talking about a team that's given every indication that it's purposely tanking, they're in a dogfight with Buffalo. It'd be like trying to diminish Henrique as worse than Tootoo because Lou's got Tootoo on the power play on not Henrique. Mismanagement, possible tank tactics. The point is that Mark Fayne isn't the massive loss that SD is making him out to be. We had young talent waiting to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Eco Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 (edited) The point is that Mark Fayne isn't the massive loss that SD is making him out to be. We had young talent waiting to play. I know our hands were tied before preseason and we had no idea Salvador was going to be "injured" for 80% of this season, but I would've really liked Fayne here for the long-haul alongside Greene, he was a good Devil, really grew into a good player and a potential leader. No, he's not a Parise/Kovalchuk-caliber loss, but he'd be occupying one of Harrold's/Fraser's spot, and the fear that one of these guys (Harrold/Fraser) would be re-signed next season would be null and void. Edited February 12, 2015 by DJ Eco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerzey Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 I'm just wondering why Lou doesn't try to trade guys like Fayne, Clarkson, Parise (I went there), etc. instead of just letting them walk for nothing. If you can't get a deal done trade them. Yeah yeah it's just Lou's MO but his MO is bullsh!t and we as fans should not be so accepting of it. We might not be so thin in prospects if he had a different way of dealing with pending free agents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 I'm just wondering why Lou doesn't try to trade guys like Fayne, Clarkson, Parise (I went there), etc. instead of just letting them walk for nothing. If you can't get a deal done trade them. Yeah yeah it's just Lou's MO but his MO is bullsh!t and we as fans should not be so accepting of it. We might not be so thin in prospects if he had a different way of dealing with pending free agents. You've got 1000 posts so you must've heard the counterarguments, like that the Devils are trying to win games, not stockpile assets. Yes, we'd be better off now if we had done that, but it's easy to look at things in hindsight. In addition, selling off players at the deadline sends a clear message to the rest of the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsrule33 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 As the board continues to have the same arguments over and over about what Lou has done with losing free agents with Sterio, he isn't 100% wrong, but he continues to lump it all together, which is 100% wrong or take into account what we simply do not know about what Lou tried to explore and what not. We know Lou is negotiating contracts during the season, but we just don't hear about it. From the list he continues to bring up, keeping Clarkson is the only one I have a problem with. A good thing about negotiating in the season is having an idea of what a player will probably receive come July 1st. What Lou realized before July 1st, he could have realized leading up to the trade deadline. Clarkson that year could have fetched a lot, so that one really hurts. Other than that, I am not going to kill him for Parise or Fayne, Gomez, Rafalski or Martin. The Devils had very strong teams, and your goal should be to win, not trade players for prospects and what not, thus giving up on a season. If those prospects pan out, then you might find yourself trading other good players before the deadline and ending your playoff chances that year. Eventually, you'll never be contending, just trading soon to be UFAs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsfan118 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 In addition, selling off players at the deadline sends a clear message to the rest of the team. Really doesn't have to. Lou's undeniably outdated and ineffective practices have made it that way, maybe. But a simple policy of negotiating midseason and extending your stars before the season's over would solve this situation completely. Pretty simple, in my mind. If you want to be a Devil, you sign a contract extension before the trade deadline of your final contractual season. If you don't or aren't sure, you get shipped out. I'm sure I'm oversimplifing it but it seems like it could be pretty cut and dry to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 As the board continues to have the same arguments over and over about what Lou has done with losing free agents with Sterio, he isn't 100% wrong, but he continues to lump it all together, which is 100% wrong or take into account what we simply do not know about what Lou tried to explore and what not. We know Lou is negotiating contracts during the season, but we just don't hear about it. From the list he continues to bring up, keeping Clarkson is the only one I have a problem with. A good thing about negotiating in the season is having an idea of what a player will probably receive come July 1st. What Lou realized before July 1st, he could have realized leading up to the trade deadline. Clarkson that year could have fetched a lot, so that one really hurts. Other than that, I am not going to kill him for Parise or Fayne, Gomez, Rafalski or Martin. The Devils had very strong teams, and your goal should be to win, not trade players for prospects and what not, thus giving up on a season. If those prospects pan out, then you might find yourself trading other good players before the deadline and ending your playoff chances that year. Eventually, you'll never be contending, just trading soon to be UFAs. You still think Clarkson would have netted a decent return in 2013 even after his play kind of fell off a cliff after the first 15-20 games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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