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I disagree. The problem with going all in every year is that you don't set yourself up for any kind of future.

This is true, but with Parise it almost worked. That was a wise use of the policy. Clarkson probably should have been traded, he had a great year, exceeded his talent level in many ways, and his value was as high as it ever would be. No idea what was going on behind the scenes, whether there was talk of re-signing, etc., but it seems like he knew he was going home, so we should have traded him.

Had not trading him led to another SCF, I'd have a different opinion.

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This is true, but with Parise it almost worked. That was a wise use of the policy. Clarkson probably should have been traded, he had a great year, exceeded his talent level in many ways, and his value was as high as it ever would be. No idea what was going on behind the scenes, whether there was talk of re-signing, etc., but it seems like he knew he was going home, so we should have traded him.

Had not trading him led to another SCF, I'd have a different opinion.

So you're saying that a GM should ALWAYS trade pending UFAs even if they're an integral piece of your team and you're close to or in a playoff position? That's absolutely nuts. You're never going to get full value for a pending UFA, so you'll be on the losing end of that trade almost every time. Fans would come to your house with pitchforks and torches if you traded a top player away in a deal for future assets and/or a lesser player at the deadline while in a playoff position then fail to win a Cup.

  

This is true, but with Parise it almost worked. That was a wise use of the policy. Clarkson probably should have been traded, he had a great year, exceeded his talent level in many ways, and his value was as high as it ever would be. No idea what was going on behind the scenes, whether there was talk of re-signing, etc., but it seems like he knew he was going home, so we should have traded him.

Had not trading him led to another SCF, I'd have a different opinion.

The thing with Parise is I think it was pretty clear what he was going to do when he signed the one year deal. In that case Lou should have traded him before the season started while Zach still had one year of restricted free agency. We could have gotten some nice pieces from Minnesota as they obviously had a hard on for him. Lou thought he still had a chance to sign him and I think that's part of his problem. He assumes everyone is going to be loyal like Marty and Elias. Those days are over.

In the case with Clarkson, were we even in the playoff race on his final year of his contract?

I'm not saying everyone who's a ufa has to be shipped out at the deadline. You have to be able to read the writing on the wall and some deals can be made in the offseason before their final free agent year. Look where we are right now because of the assets that just walked away.

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I dont care about fraser playing over gelly or that oates and stevens are on the bench, this was a throw away season and the patchwork three years has run its course. next year will be similar but then a bunch of money comes off the books with the old vets. we have two and a half years to find a top line. we need 2 skilled top line players to join the team. two way players arent enough, we need very very good two way forwards, with scoring potential. unfortunately this is the one area that lou HAS BEEN bad at. imo lou has these next two years to right the ship..these are huge drafts upcoming..if he strikes out then his time is over

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The thing with Parise is I think it was pretty clear what he was going to do when he signed the one year deal. In that case Lou should have traded him before the season started while Zach still had one year of restricted free agency. We could have gotten some nice pieces from Minnesota as they obviously had a hard on for him. Lou thought he still had a chance to sign him and I think that's part of his problem. He assumes everyone is going to be loyal like Marty and Elias. Those days are over.

In the case with Clarkson, were we even in the playoff race on his final year of his contract?

I'm not saying everyone who's a ufa has to be shipped out at the deadline. You have to be able to read the writing on the wall and some deals can be made in the offseason before their final free agent year. Look where we are right now because of the assets that just walked away.

 

Those days aren't over.  Salvador, Brodeur, Elias, and Zubrus signed that way, and we know Brodeur had larger offers.  And those are guys just in the last 3 off-seasons.  

 

I highly doubt that ownership would've approved a Parise trade.  In addition, the Devils just signed Kovalchuk to a 15 year deal, and now you want to trade their other good player for what will no doubt be pennies on the dollar?  

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When was the last time a playoff team traded away a star player at the deadline because they couldn't reach a contract extension? You can get away with it when it's a non-playoff team, but yes, it sends a terrible message to the rest of the team and creates an insane distraction to try and give the captain of your hockey team and ultimatum before the day of the trade deadline. 

 

Was anyone here saying the Devils should trade Parise before the 2012 trade deadline? I think most people would have given the odds of Parise leaving greater than the Devils making the Cup Finals, and even so, people probably thought it was worth going forward and hoping for the best.

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Those days aren't over.  Salvador, Brodeur, Elias, and Zubrus signed that way, and we know Brodeur had larger offers.  And those are guys just in the last 3 off-seasons.  

 

I highly doubt that ownership would've approved a Parise trade.  In addition, the Devils just signed Kovalchuk to a 15 year deal, and now you want to trade their other good player for what will no doubt be pennies on the dollar?  

 

Those guys are all from the old school. 

 

And I still think if we shopped Zach with one year of restricted free agency we could have gotten a nice return. If we made a deal with Minnesota instead of signing him to a 1 year deal they would have had a full year to lock him up, making locking Suter up a lot easier for them. I'm just looking at it from Minnesota's point of view. Their owners wanted Parise and Suter badly and I think we could have gotten some really nice pieces from them. And I think we still could have made that deep playoff run without him that year. Remember how soft everyone thought he was playing those playoffs? Then we had JR Parise (RIP) talking all that sh!t about how Zach wasn't going to be with NJ anymore (although that might have been after he signed the 1 year deal).

 

I think Lou was being led on by Zach and his agents but Lou should have seen this coming. I did. Also if the rumors are true, it's partly Vanderbeek's fault that Zach wanted to leave. Chico told someone on here that Zach was pissed when they signed Kovy and looking back it looks like that was probably true. So if Vanderbeek was holding back Lou from trading Zach he has to take some blame too. For the most part though I always thought ownership stayed out of Lou's way with the exception of the Kovy deal.

When was the last time a playoff team traded away a star player at the deadline because they couldn't reach a contract extension? You can get away with it when it's a non-playoff team, but yes, it sends a terrible message to the rest of the team and creates an insane distraction to try and give the captain of your hockey team and ultimatum before the day of the trade deadline. 

 

Was anyone here saying the Devils should trade Parise before the 2012 trade deadline? I think most people would have given the odds of Parise leaving greater than the Devils making the Cup Finals, and even so, people probably thought it was worth going forward and hoping for the best.

 

I'm not talking about at the deadline with Zach. I'm saying they should have traded him before the 2012 season even started. Trade him instead of signing him to a 1 year deal taking him right into unrestricted free agency.

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When was the last time a playoff team traded away a star player at the deadline because they couldn't reach a contract extension? You can get away with it when it's a non-playoff team, but yes, it sends a terrible message to the rest of the team and creates an insane distraction to try and give the captain of your hockey team and ultimatum before the day of the trade deadline. 

 

Was anyone here saying the Devils should trade Parise before the 2012 trade deadline? I think most people would have given the odds of Parise leaving greater than the Devils making the Cup Finals, and even so, people probably thought it was worth going forward and hoping for the best.

 

Kovalchuk was traded from the Thrashers when they were in 8th or 9th place.  But I don't think they expected themselves to be that good that year and they couldn't let that go to waste.  

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The thing with Parise is I think it was pretty clear what he was going to do when he signed the one year deal. In that case Lou should have traded him before the season started while Zach still had one year of restricted free agency. We could have gotten some nice pieces from Minnesota as they obviously had a hard on for him. Lou thought he still had a chance to sign him and I think that's part of his problem.

I do believe Zach wanted the Wild as much as they wanted him. There was zero chance he was re-signing here, the one year deal was just to max out his value following a season basically lost to injury. He used us.

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Oh Christ this thread is about the 2015 trade deadline, please don't bring up parise/kovy... you just know where that will lead to!

It's not like we have much worth selling. The only pieces I'd be willing to part with that will have decent value are jägr, zidlicky, Ryder and gelinas. Everyone else will probably not have much value or are too valuable moving forward.

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Oh Christ this thread is about the 2015 trade deadline, please don't bring up parise/kovy... you just know where that will lead to!

It's not like we have much worth selling. The only pieces I'd be willing to part with that will have decent value are jägr, zidlicky, Ryder and gelinas. Everyone else will probably not have much value or are too valuable moving forward.

Hey if we get a 1st and a 2nd out of those players I'd say its worth it. (Maybe more if we are impatient and sell Gelinas right now)

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Cangi makes a good point about Bryce. He was pretty bad when he played this year, but people were quick to forget 2012. He was definitely aided by a huge dose of luck, but that was probably still the best stretch of hockey he's ever played.

I think the reason us as fans piled on Sal had a lot to do with his contract having epitomized the issues with this team and the fact that he was/is a figurehead for the team as the captain. It's to old and guys are signed for too long. Some of that will be resolved after this season though, with Ryder and Sal's contracts expiring then having bought out Volchenkov last year a well.

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Has there ever been a thread where Kovy or Parise were not brought up? It just makes people angry and upset so stop

 

It's probably going to be that way until the next time the Devils actually, you know, make the playoffs without them.  Well more specifically without Zach.

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I wouldn't trade Severson straight up for Drouin. That'd be an insane trade.

I disagree.

Unless you're convinced and certain Severson is the next coming of Scott Niedermayer from his brief stint, I think parting ways with him for an equally (if not more) promising forward is a smart move. Gotta give to get, and you're dealing from a strength for a weakness.

Tampa turns the trade down every day of the week, by the way.

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I wouldn't trade Severson straight up for Drouin.  That'd be an insane trade.

 

100% on what planet are some of these posters living? What solution would that trade bring? We should trade the player who is probably going to be our best defender in a few years for a player who has scored 2 goals in his 46 game NHL career? Brilliant. And one poster above wants to throw in our 2016 1st to go with it.  :lol:

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I disagree.

Unless you're convinced and certain Severson is the next coming of Scott Niedermayer from his brief stint, I think parting ways with him for an equally (if not more) promising forward is a smart move. Gotta give to get, and you're dealing from a strength for a weakness.

Tampa turns the trade down every day of the week, by the way.

 

In their short careers, Severson has shown more ability than Drouin. Even so it's a pretty insane move from both franchises since there's so much uncertainty with both players.

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