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100% on what planet are some of these posters living? What solution would that trade bring? We should trade the player who is probably going to be our best defender in a few years for a player who has scored 2 goals in his 46 game NHL career? Brilliant. And one poster above wants to throw in our 2016 1st to go with it.  :lol:

First off, I think Severson is gonna be/is already a stud but Drouin is also gonna be one as well.

 

I would be reluctant to give up Severson but in any scenario involving someone like Drouin (paired with the Devils blueline depth) you'd have to think about it.

 

If there was a scenario where NJ retains Schneider, Severson, Henrique, and the 2015 1st and could get Drouin that would be enticing. I'd defiently consider Larsson and a 2016 1st.

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I would be reluctant to give up Severson but in any scenario involving someone like Drouin (paired with the Devils blueline depth) you'd have to think about it.

 

 

No you don't. The Devils don't have blue line depth. They have Severson and a bunch of ?'s. You don't trade your top defender for a forward with 2 goals.

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No you don't. The Devils don't have blue line depth. They have Severson and a bunch of ?'s. You don't trade your top defender for a forward with 2 goals.

Larsson is not a question mark at this point. Greene should still be at least above average for maybe three more years. And you could do a lot worse than Merrill as a second pairing defenseman. And you would think that at least one of Jacobs, Santini, Gelinas should stick in the NHL. You add Schneider, and more than half of what a successful franchise needs is basically in place. Severson for Drouin even assuming that Drouin will be a consistent 80 point player in two years doesn't advance the ball though. A lot better to get our own Drouin in this draft. I think it's why tanking the rest of the season is what the team needs, to the point that Schneider should get more games off. Imagine how good the Flyers would be if they had even a competent defense and consistent goal tending. If we end up with a Marner or Strome this draft, we'd be on our way to that. And of course, we might end up with McDavid, in which case this is a team that will be in Cup contention in a couple of years.

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First off, I think Severson is gonna be/is already a stud but Drouin is also gonna be one as well.

 

I would be reluctant to give up Severson but in any scenario involving someone like Drouin (paired with the Devils blueline depth) you'd have to think about it.

 

If there was a scenario where NJ retains Schneider, Severson, Henrique, and the 2015 1st and could get Drouin that would be enticing. I'd defiently consider Larsson and a 2016 1st.

 

The issue is that Drouin hasn't shown a ton so far.  I think he's going to be real good.  But Severson has shown more.  You're not improving by a lot to make this move.

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Larsson is not a question mark at this point. Greene should still be at least above average for maybe three more years. And you could do a lot worse than Merrill as a second pairing defenseman. And you would think that at least one of Jacobs, Santini, Gelinas should stick in the NHL. You add Schneider, and more than half of what a successful franchise needs is basically in place. Severson for Drouin even assuming that Drouin will be a consistent 80 point player in two years doesn't advance the ball though. A lot better to get our own Drouin in this draft. I think it's why tanking the rest of the season is what the team needs, to the point that Schneider should get more games off. Imagine how good the Flyers would be if they had even a competent defense and consistent goal tending. If we end up with a Marner or Strome this draft, we'd be on our way to that. And of course, we might end up with McDavid, in which case this is a team that will be in Cup contention in a couple of years.

 

Larsson is a ? as far as knowing just how good he's going to be. Greene is a ? because we don't know how much longer he will be good. The reason Severson is not a ? is because it looks like he has the potential to be a top pairing D for the next 10 years on our team at least. Why in the HELL would we trade that for Drouin who will do every little to improve our team? 

I think Drouin is going to be a very good player to some degree but the point is that it is POINTLESS to trade someone we know is very good for someone who we have no idea about. There is no logic to trading Severson for Drouin. None. Unless the assumption is that we are 100% set on D even without Severson. Which is a comical thought.

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No you don't. The Devils don't have blue line depth. They have Severson and a bunch of ?'s. You don't trade your top defender for a forward with 2 goals.

OK. Severson has 32 games played only and was sheltered by playing with Greene. See, that can be played both ways. Severson is just as much established as Drouin is. And Drouin 2 measly goals are complimented by his 21 assists (which would rank #1 on the Devils). You cannot possibly argue Severson as a established defenseman in the NHL and put down Drouin for his 2 goals this year. Drouin was drafted 3rd overall and put up 108 points in his final junior season with under 50 games played. Drouin will be a star in the NHL.

 

And Greene, Severson, Larsson, Merrill, Gelinas, Santini, Jacobs, Helgeson etc. is depth in the system. Probably top 5 in terms of defensive depth for the future.

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OK. Severson has 32 games played only and was sheltered by playing with Greene. See, that can be played both ways. Severson is just as much established as Drouin is. And Drouin 2 measly goals are complimented by his 21 assists (which would rank #1 on the Devils). You cannot possibly argue Severson as a established defenseman in the NHL and put down Drouin for his 2 goals this year. Drouin was drafted 3rd overall and put up 108 points in his final junior season with under 50 games played. Drouin will be a star in the NHL.

 

And Greene, Severson, Larsson, Merrill, Gelinas, Santini, Jacobs, Helgeson etc. is depth in the system. Probably top 5 in terms of defensive depth for the future.

 

I don't think you understand. All those D do not equal Severson. Severson is absolutely more established than Drouin. Severson has showed a level of skill that cannot be replicated by luck. He is going to be a top D-man, if he isn't already. Severson is also 20 years old, for him to be this good as a D this early is pretty incredible.

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I don't think you understand. All those D do not equal Severson. Severson is absolutely more established than Drouin. Severson has showed a level of skill that cannot be replicated by luck. He is going to be a top D-man, if he isn't already. Severson is also 20 years old, for him to be this good as a D this early is pretty incredible.

I never said they equal Severson but many project to be top 4 guys long term  (Larsson, Merrill, Santini).

 

With that said I agree Severson will more than likely be a top pairing guy but Drouin is a blue chip prospect who projects to be a elite talent. I'm not gonna argue whos more established because quite frankly neither player has played even 50 games. My original point was to acquire a talent like Drouin, Severson would probably be involved. With that said, if a deal like that came about I'd prefer to trade Larsson.

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100% on what planet are some of these posters living? What solution would that trade bring? We should trade the player who is probably going to be our best defender in a few years for a player who has scored 2 goals in his 46 game NHL career? Brilliant. And one poster above wants to throw in our 2016 1st to go with it. :lol:

Uh, the possible solution it would bring is a bonafide bluechip offensive prospect - something the devils haven't had since they drafted Parise.

Are you being intentionally difficult with the "2 goals in 46 games" comment, or are you unaware of just how good Drouin is going to be? If you want to use season statistics, I'll point out that Drouin is posting a .5ppg in the NHL as a 19 y/o. Our best prospect is currently barely posting that in the AHL.

Also - you talk as if you're ready to declare Severson a sure-thing after 30 games.. That doesn't seem a little silly to you?

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No you don't. The Devils don't have blue line depth. They have Severson and a bunch of ?'s. You don't trade your top defender for a forward with 2 goals.

Not to pick on you - but give me a break, the Devils only current strength is their depth on the blueline. Lots of young talent with the Devils now and in the pipeline.
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Not to pick on you - but give me a break, the Devils only current strength is their depth on the blueline. Lots of young talent with the Devils now and in the pipeline.

And that's part of it with defensive prospects. You have alot of highly thought of ones that enough will hit to make a great core

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Not to pick on you - but give me a break, the Devils only current strength is their depth on the blueline. Lots of young talent with the Devils now and in the pipeline.

It's absolutely a giant ?. Larsson and Severson are likely top 4 guys, but after them it's all questionable. I think Merrill will be a top 4 guy, but he's struggled all year. Gelinas is starting to look more and more like a flash in the pan a la MDZ rather than the elite offensive defenseman we thought he could be after last year.

Everyone else in the system may look good now, but they're all huge ?. It's likely that one of Scarlett, Santini, Jacobs, Hrabarenka or Helgeson will be an NHL defenseman, but what if only 1 of them makes it and it's only as a 3rd pairing type.

If that happens then our defense isn't nearly the asset it looks to be right now. A truly elite defenseman is worth more than a forward of equal talent, so trading Severson for Drouin is crazy.

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It's absolutely a giant ?. Larsson and Severson are likely top 4 guys, but after them it's all questionable. I think Merrill will be a top 4 guy, but he's struggled all year. Gelinas is starting to look more and more like a flash in the pan a la MDZ rather than the elite offensive defenseman we thought he could be after last year.

Everyone else in the system may look good now, but they're all huge ?. It's likely that one of Scarlett, Santini, Jacobs, Hrabarenka or Helgeson will be an NHL defenseman, but what if only 1 of them makes it and it's only as a 3rd pairing type.

If that happens then our defense isn't nearly the asset it looks to be right now. A truly elite defenseman is worth more than a forward of equal talent, so trading Severson for Drouin is crazy.

 

Yeah...this. Some teams search for years for a 1D. You don't trade a 20 years old 1D unless you have a REALLY good reason to. We have every reason to believe Severson will be a star and none of our other D will likely be as good. You can't just name a bunch of our young D prospects and call them 'depth' just because there's a lot of them. Anway depth only means something if you have a star at the top.

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Apparently Zidlicky submitted a list of teams he'd accept a trade to. Saw it over on HF. Not sure how accurate...

I think that was a guy trying to point out that announcing there is a list could drive down trade value, not there being an actual list.

If Zids doesn't want to be away from family too much, maybe you could talk him into the Islanders.

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Yeah...this. Some teams search for years for a 1D. You don't trade a 20 years old 1D unless you have a REALLY good reason to. We have every reason to believe Severson will be a star and none of our other D will likely be as good. You can't just name a bunch of our young D prospects and call them 'depth' just because there's a lot of them.

 

We have no more reason to believe Severson will be a star than we do Drouin.  Calling Severson a 1D after 30 games in his rookie season is a joke.  I'm not rooting against the guy, trust me - but take off your homer glasses for a minute, give me a break.

 

And uh, yeah you can name a bunch of D prospects and claim the Devils have "depth" in the talent pool - that's exactly what prospect depth is.  The Devils have a solid group of young defensemen in the system that could hopefully pan out to a solid core some day.  There's absolutely nothing inaccurate about that statement.

The REALLY good reason, this hypothetical example, is that you can acquire a game-breaking offensive talent, something that the Devils sorely lack and will not acquire in any other way (especially since they ruined their chance at a top-3 pick this season).  And I don't think it's foolish to consider an opportunity where you improve a severe weakness by dealing from a position of strength.

 

Anway depth only means something if you have a star at the top.

 

...I'm wasting my time here.  We're just going to have to agree to disagree, because, IMO, you're talking nonsense.

I think that was a guy trying to point out that announcing there is a list could drive down trade value, not there being an actual list.

If Zids doesn't want to be away from family too much, maybe you could talk him into the Islanders.

 

The Islanders seem to be the obvious solution for some of our veteran guys with families.

 

And then on the other end of the spectrum, there's Jagr.  Wonder what his primary motivation is right now.

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I think that was a guy trying to point out that announcing there is a list could drive down trade value, not there being an actual list.

If Zids doesn't want to be away from family too much, maybe you could talk him into the Islanders.

Yeah I see that now. Zidlicky can suck a fat one. His 'comfort' isn't my problem. If he loves it here so much, resign next year if you want. Of course Lou has to go ahead and give this a$$hole a NTC. Another master stroke. [emoji35]
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Lou has to let him know now if he plans on extending him this off season. If he doesn't then I don't really see why Zids would want to stay so bad unless he plans on retiring in NJ. That being said I can see Lou giving him one more year especially considering how they seem to feel about Gelinas.

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100% on what planet are some of these posters living? What solution would that trade bring? We should trade the player who is probably going to be our best defender in a few years for a player who has scored 2 goals in his 46 game NHL career? Brilliant. And one poster above wants to throw in our 2016 1st to go with it.  :lol:

Stop insulting posters because they are sharing their thoughts.

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Yeah...this. Some teams search for years for a 1D. You don't trade a 20 years old 1D unless you have a REALLY good reason to. We have every reason to believe Severson will be a star and none of our other D will likely be as good. You can't just name a bunch of our young D prospects and call them 'depth' just because there's a lot of them. Anway depth only means something if you have a star at the top.

Drouin IS a really good reason to. I'm not advocating trading Severson but Drouin is going to be an top line talent. And you use Severson and star way to loosely. Severson has looked fantastic but thats all based of a 40 game or so sample size. Severson isn't exactly the next Weber yet. You are ridiciously underrating Drouin. Its not fair to put Severson on a pedestal and simeoustaneoly talk of Drouin as if he is on the prospect level of Reid Boucher. And quite honstely the way this team has been drafting it could take years before they draft a top forward talent thats not a top 10 pick.

 

The Devils do have defensive depth. The sheer quantity of quality prospects in the D pipeline is bound to produce at least 3 or 4 NHL defenseman. Add on the success the organizatin has had in the 2nd round (Gelinas, Merrill, Severson) and hopefully Santini and Jacobs.

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We have no more reason to believe Severson will be a star than we do Drouin.  Calling Severson a 1D after 30 games in his rookie season is a joke.  I'm not rooting against the guy, trust me - but take off your homer glasses for a minute, give me a break.

 

And uh, yeah you can name a bunch of D prospects and claim the Devils have "depth" in the talent pool - that's exactly what prospect depth is.  The Devils have a solid group of young defensemen in the system that could hopefully pan out to a solid core some day.  There's absolutely nothing inaccurate about that statement.

The REALLY good reason, this hypothetical example, is that you can acquire a game-breaking offensive talent, something that the Devils sorely lack and will not acquire in any other way (especially since they ruined their chance at a top-3 pick this season).  And I don't think it's foolish to consider an opportunity where you improve a severe weakness by dealing from a position of strength.

 

 

...I'm wasting my time here.  We're just going to have to agree to disagree, because, IMO, you're talking nonsense.

 

The Islanders seem to be the obvious solution for some of our veteran guys with families.

 

And then on the other end of the spectrum, there's Jagr.  Wonder what his primary motivation is right now.

 

 

Not to say exactly like you're saying but more adding to it. Well basically... you're right. But having super strong depth at one position is useless unless you're still balanced. The difference is really thin sometimes in the NHL between who has a strong group of D or F. One of 2 players can make a total difference.

 

But at the end of the day... you need balance. And i'd really rather have an average group of forwards AND defence (in term on quantity) and beef up both group through the year than being stacked on D and super dry on the attack like we are now. So if we can flip assets now... we really should do it.

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We have no more reason to believe Severson will be a star than we do Drouin.  Calling Severson a 1D after 30 games in his rookie season is a joke.  I'm not rooting against the guy, trust me - but take off your homer glasses for a minute, give me a break.

 

And uh, yeah you can name a bunch of D prospects and claim the Devils have "depth" in the talent pool - that's exactly what prospect depth is.  The Devils have a solid group of young defensemen in the system that could hopefully pan out to a solid core some day.  There's absolutely nothing inaccurate about that statement.

The REALLY good reason, this hypothetical example, is that you can acquire a game-breaking offensive talent, something that the Devils sorely lack and will not acquire in any other way (especially since they ruined their chance at a top-3 pick this season).  And I don't think it's foolish to consider an opportunity where you improve a severe weakness by dealing from a position of strength.

 

 

...I'm wasting my time here.  We're just going to have to agree to disagree, because, IMO, you're talking nonsense.

 

The Islanders seem to be the obvious solution for some of our veteran guys with families.

 

And then on the other end of the spectrum, there's Jagr.  Wonder what his primary motivation is right now.

 

Sorry, but if you don't see how good Severson is, then it can't be explained to you.  He's not a hockey savior but he is a really tremendous talent.  Solid skater, makes great defensive reads away from the puck, plays solid 1 on 1 defense, makes good choices in the offensive zone, and can lead the rush up the ice.  He's a star defenseman.  He walked into the league on to a top pairing and didn't look out of place at all.    He's 21st among D (minimum 20 games) in shots/game.  He is a game breaking talent, just on defense, where there aren't a ton of fancy moves.  Trading him for anything besides a franchise center or a well-established young star winger is just insanity.  

 

Yeah I see that now. Zidlicky can suck a fat one. His 'comfort' isn't my problem. If he loves it here so much, resign next year if you want. Of course Lou has to go ahead and give this a$$hole a NTC. Another master stroke. [emoji35]

 

Yeah, Zidlicky asked for a trade here and has taken well below market 1 year deals 2 years in a row, he can go screw.  

Drouin IS a really good reason to. I'm not advocating trading Severson but Drouin is going to be an top line talent. And you use Severson and star way to loosely. Severson has looked fantastic but thats all based of a 40 game or so sample size. Severson isn't exactly the next Weber yet. You are ridiciously underrating Drouin. Its not fair to put Severson on a pedestal and simeoustaneoly talk of Drouin as if he is on the prospect level of Reid Boucher. And quite honstely the way this team has been drafting it could take years before they draft a top forward talent thats not a top 10 pick.

 

The Devils do have defensive depth. The sheer quantity of quality prospects in the D pipeline is bound to produce at least 3 or 4 NHL defenseman. Add on the success the organizatin has had in the 2nd round (Gelinas, Merrill, Severson) and hopefully Santini and Jacobs.

 

I'll be (slightly) disappointed if Severson ends up being as good as Weber.  Weber is overrated because of his shot - there's not a ton of evidence that he's a star defenseman besides that.

 

The Devils' defensive depth is highly overrated around here.  Gelinas is in the process of failing and Merrill is having a totally lost season.  There's not a ton in Albany right now - Hraberenka and Scarlett are interesting pieces with warts - they might be NHL D, but they're not likely to be very good.  

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Sorry, but if you don't see how good Severson is, then it can't be explained to you. He's not a hockey savior but he is a really tremendous talent. Solid skater, makes great defensive reads away from the puck, plays solid 1 on 1 defense, makes good choices in the offensive zone, and can lead the rush up the ice. He's a star defenseman. He walked into the league on to a top pairing and didn't look out of place at all. He's 21st among D (minimum 20 games) in shots/game. He is a game breaking talent, just on defense, where there aren't a ton of fancy moves. Trading him for anything besides a franchise center or a well-established young star winger is just insanity.

Yeah, Zidlicky asked for a trade here and has taken well below market 1 year deals 2 years in a row, he can go screw.

I'll be disappointed if Severson ends up being as good as Weber.

Re: Severson- we couldn't agree more. That kid has a chance to be special. Not good. SPECIAL. You don't trade that for anything short of an absolutely INSANE return, with a young (read: under 25) franchise center. Period, end of story, goodnight. Severson is and will be a stud. If people can't see it, well I'm just glad those people ain't in charge lol. As to your point on Zid- yeah I understand all that. But I don't really care. I want some kind of asset back for this guy. His refusing to wave his NTC pisses me off. Just stating that frustration.
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