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sure redwings you want dion for a cup run!!! are U kidding me? after what you saw in the boston playoffs???

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This is Sportsnet, so it is Canadian.  TSN had llamas in studio.  There's really nothing to discuss right now, there's been 2 deals made today and one made late last night.

 

Not watching any coverage, but not a shock with Healy and Kypreos that they would do something about 1994. 

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I seriously hope we don't get Kessel.

 

Timid, quiet, weak guy.  Not a leader.  He can score, but he won't survive the Devils' system.  No way.

 

(in my opinion, of course)

agreed pass.  The guy's work ethic has been questioned over the years and you want to tie up 8M per for the next what is it 7 seasons? Plus not sure he owns a sharp razor so clearly he would struggle to fit in when it comes to conforming.

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Not watching any coverage, but not a shock with Healy and Kypreos that they would do something about 1994. 

 

Dude it was like 20 full minutes.

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So im curious and it's a serious question

Why is it a fireable offense suddenly to some of you to not trade a 43 year old and missing the playoffs when we are 6-8 pts away from a playoffs spot

But it was completely fine and understandable not trading a 27 years old Clarkson in his prime who just scored 30 and who was on pace for another 30 through a full season, basically at the peak of his top value in his career when we were pretty much 6-8 points away at that time too... and a guy who wanted way too much money... and then miss the playoffs....

Good question. I think the reality was we were a better team then. We are dog sh!t right now, back then we were still dominating play but not finishing, this year we don't do either.

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why would you pass on Kesel??  he;'s a scoring machine!  I know he's paid alot but we complain about scoring all the time, here is a scorer and no one wants him?  WTF?

 

LL better get busy, he's on my failure list right now!!

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I seriously hope we don't get Kessel.

Timid, quiet, weak guy. Not a leader. He can score, but he won't survive the Devils' system. No way.

(in my opinion, of course)

I agree Kessel is not the ideal guy but let's be honest, if the price is right, you can't say "I hope we don't get him."

Bottom line is that it is becoming increasingly more difficult to acquire guys like Kessel. They are getting locked up long term and we desperately need a scoring option like him.

But all that being said I think the price would be way too high for it to be worth it.

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I'm getting antsy here.  I knew going in that the Devils really don't have many assets to play with, but.. I can't help myself, I'm getting impatient.  I see lots of non-playoff teams making moves to plan for a better tomorrow.

 

I agree Kessel is not the ideal guy but let's be honest, if the price is right, you can't say "I hope we don't get him."

Bottom line is that it is becoming increasingly more difficult to acquire guys like Kessel. They are getting locked up long term and we desperately need a scoring option like him.

But all that being said I think the price would be way too high for it to be worth it.

 

This is fair enough, I guess.  He's just not the guy I'd like the Devils to try and build their offense around.  But you're right in that - if the price is right, Lou has to pull the trigger.  

We'll see what happens.  Only a few hours to go.

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Kessel to NJ only if they retain salary.  I would do it.

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I seriously hope we don't get Kessel.

 

Timid, quiet, weak guy.  Not a leader.  He can score, but he won't survive the Devils' system.  No way.

 

(in my opinion, of course)

Kessel is like poison Ivy, anyway, Lou would be crazy to even think of Kessel as a Devil.

 

Your other post about Clarkson's 'Primetime' trade value and yet another Lou getting zero back...

 

Last week SportsNet's NHL Hockey Central, enervating mouth of Doug McLean covered the history of all the top talent Lou let walk for nothing and basically hurting the frachise.

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Good question. I think the reality was we were a better team then. We are dog sh!t right now, back then we were still dominating play but not finishing, this year we don't do either.

 

Scroll back a few pages and you'll see that the statement you're replying to was debunked...Devils weren't 6-8 points out at the time, they were in 7th place, which means the circumstances as far as the standings go were quite different.

 

Anyway, I think the reason Clarkson was kept was that Lou thought the Devils still had a shot to get in, and crazy as it sounds now, Clarkson wasn't that far removed from the stretch that saw him score 40 goals in 93 regular season games.  I think Lou was hoping Clarkson would get hot again (he was still getting a lot of shots on goal, but they simply stopped going in)...sadly, they needed him to get hot, as guys who could put the puck in the net for the Devils in 2012-13 were few and far between.  The soild team possession numbers also probably had Lou believing the team could turn things around. 

 

As far as the past goes, the more I think about it, the more I think a lot of the reasons behind Lou's "gotta go for it" mentality had to do with Marty, who simply got treated as being a much better player than he really was over the balance of his final four seasons here.  I think Lou still thought of as Marty as being at or near his prime almost to the very end (the 50-game stretch to end the 2012 regular season and playoffs I think fed heavily into that), and felt he had to keep doing whatever he needed to try to keep the team afloat and winning in the present while Marty was still a Devil.  I disagreed with Tri pretty strongly about Lou re-signing Marty to his last Devils contract (think Tri wanted to let Marty walk IIRC), but although I'll never have a bad word to say about Marty (just like I won't about Lou), Marty's last two seasons here ultimately hurt this team...his below-average puckstopping hurt them in both seasons (as did the Devils not having any of their goaltending draft picks work out). There's definitely hindsight with this one, and of course no one gets do-overs, but ultimately, the Devils might've been better off now if they had just bitten the bullet and let Marty leave two years ago. 

 

 

I agree Kessel is not the ideal guy but let's be honest, if the price is right, you can't say "I hope we don't get him."

Bottom line is that it is becoming increasingly more difficult to acquire guys like Kessel. They are getting locked up long term and we desperately need a scoring option like him.

But all that being said I think the price would be way too high for it to be worth it.

 

Yeah, unfortunately these guys are very hard to come by.  If you're not developing them in your system, you're stuck signing them via UFA or trading for them, and the ones that are available tend to be on iffy contracts like Kessel's.  It wouldn't give me the warm and fuzzies, that's for sure. 

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not saying i want Kessel but at least he can score off the rush and has lots of speed. We don't have that. 

 

That's actually hurting the team a lot cause the whole team is slow and we're even slowing our breakouts in the neutral zone so that the whole team follow and settle in the offensive zone. Looking at other good teams play and you see a lot of teams like Chicago, Blues and especially MTL. I dont know how many breakaways they can get or plays where a guy gets a long pass in the neutral zone and he's all alone or has a good chance off the rush. It's all speed. 

 

And of course just having that dimension... thats a few extra goal in a season.

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This whole trade deadline I've felt that Lou has been pretty rusty. A 3rd for Zids? A second and third for Jagr? I think more could have been gotten from bot those deals.

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Crickets & tumbleweeds

 

Ryder, "I love it here, glad I wasn't traded. We believe we still have a shot..........."

 

Ugh

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This whole trade deadline I've felt that Lou has been pretty rusty. A 3rd for Zids? A second and third for Jagr? I think more could have been gotten from bot those deals.

 

I think the Jagr return is great. 2nd and 3rd for a 43 year old? That's fine. You can't expect much for Zid due to his NTC. Maybe that was the best offer that he would accept. I'm less concerned about those two but more worried that we couldn't dump more (Ryder, Havlat). I want more picks. 

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Sorry but IMHO to this point ( 1 hour left I think???) LL has failed, he's proven to me that he no longer can get it done, he needed to trade as much dead wood as possible, and if you tell me he had nothing to trade, well he put this team toghether so that is his fault as well... 

 

We need a new GM...

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I dont understand how some of you guys are talking about Kessel. I dont know if you heard, but the guy is a minus 100 when it comes to attitude and this is true regardless of the situation in Toronto. This is a guy who tells the reporters " I really dont care" when asked about the team.

Do you picture Lou even thinking of him ? We are talking about the guy that chooses YOUR number ! That inspects your face for facial hair ! 

Lou would've killed Kessel in his sleep and status Quoed the judge through his trial.

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When does the deadline end?  I thought it was 3:00 PM EST

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When does the deadline end?  I thought it was 3:00 PM EST

 

It is, although it can take 30 minutes, an hour, two hours for the trade details/confirmation to leak; probably especially in Lou's case...

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Lou would've killed Kessel in his sleep and status Quoed the judge through his trial.

 

Lou: "I will not take any questions about whether I've done or haven't done certain things to the alleged victim, or give any comment whatsoever about what things were said, not said, or understood between myself and the victim prior to the events the prosecutor are claiming may have happened. Everything's status quo."

 

Prosecutor: "Are you pleading the fifth?"

 

Lou: "The response to your question will be provided in due time, but for now, everything's status quo and I have no comment."

Edited by DJ Eco

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