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Well what is Shanahan/Nonis saying to the media in Toronto you think? Or in Arizona or any team that is not quite there? Honest question. 

 

Again it's not as if people don't understand the business talk.

 

But again, at this point it's insulting people's intelligence. This feels like you have kids that are 14 years old now and you're still there dressed up as santa on christmas and as much they are telling you "Dad come on! cut the crap, i know it's you, get that fake beard off" and you get "Ho ho hoooooo, what are you talking about little Jimmy! Have you been good this yearrr? ho ho hoooo"

 

It's a bit sily. No one in the whole world thinks they have a shot, not the fans, not the players, not their moms. No one.  Cut the crap if REALLY it's only sweet talking. 

 

and the "message" that should be sent to the players is "Boys i know things are not great right now but we're gonna make the necessary steps to make this team better, so work with me here and be patient" 

 

There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Players knows damn well what they are into.

 

 

 

That being said im okay with today, there's not much we could have done really and at least things were done.

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Well what is Shanahan saying to the media in Toronto you think? Honest question. 

 

He doesn't have to say anything. Nonis is the one making the deals. The Toronto market know the Leafs are blowing everything up and Nonis got a huge break by being able to get out from under Clarkson. They'll move Phaneuf and Kessel over the summer when its easier to move big pieces like them.

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I think Lou, as opposed to Buffalo, thinks we have some pieces here and if he thinks he wants to resign them in the offseason, then he won't trade them. Not sure how I feel about. I am annoyed we didn't unload more guys. Ryder should have been moved, Jokinen got a condition 6th - Ryder couldn't fetch that? I don't know. 

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I guess I can't be too disappointed. The Devils' deadline deals have been particularly underwhelming for the last few seasons.

I just don't like how indecisive the trades for us were. Lou seems to think we might not make the playoffs so he trades, but not too much, because there's still a snowball's chance we make the playoffs? That's what I gather.

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I mean, is the team really THAT much worse than it was 4 days ago? Jagr of course is still a top 6 forward, but I think Severson is easily better than Zidlicky. So if you wanted to see NJ dismantle their roster and move guys like Gomez, Ryder, Bernier and Havlat, well, that didnt happen

 

On a side note, I'm excited to see Severson in the Zidlicky role on the PP. He never got to use the one-timer because Zidlicky had the prime scoring areas covered

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Tell me, in your eyes, what could Lou have done today that would have satisfied you (trades or statements)?

How about this he's going to miss the playoffs for the third year in a row.  Two of the better forwards game in and game out couldn't get an NHL job to start the season (Gomez and Bernier) throw a marginal guy like Tootoo into the mix in that regard. Yes there are some solid pieces on D and Cory has been unbelievable. Camm has been good, Ryder and Havlat are busts and they have nothing much to speak of in the minors forward wise. Hell if you turn the clock back far enough Sather won a bunch of cups too.

 

Personally I think the mentality of interchangeable parts doesn't cut it these days.

 

 

Spoiled fan base, sure I guess but this team without Cory is flat out unwatchable unless you enjoy offensively challenged train wrecks.

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Interesting to hear Lou be forthright about using those picks to improve the team in the coming months - I don't know how much can be done on that score.  I'm going to count Gomez, Bernier, and Tootoo as signed for next year (and Zubrus not), so that leaves the team as something like:

 

Cammalleri-Zajac-?

Henrique-Elias-?

Ruutu-Gomez-Bernier

Matteau-Gionta-Tootoo

 

Greene-Larsson

Merrill-Severson

Gelinas-?

 

That's pretty dire all around.  A center is really needed and they need to clear out a LW somewhere along the way.

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Interesting to hear Lou be forthright about using those picks to improve the team in the coming months - I don't know how much can be done on that score. I'm going to count Gomez, Bernier, and Tootoo as signed for next year (and Zubrus not), so that leaves the team as something like:

Cammalleri-Zajac-?

Henrique-Elias-?

Ruutu-Gomez-Bernier

Matteau-Gionta-Tootoo

Greene-Larsson

Merrill-Severson

Gelinas-?

That's pretty dire all around. A center is really needed and they need to clear out a LW somewhere along the way.

I see gelly being traded and another kid being called up, a veteran to go along side, then idk what he wants to do with the right wing situation
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Interesting to hear Lou be forthright about using those picks to improve the team in the coming months - I don't know how much can be done on that score. I'm going to count Gomez, Bernier, and Tootoo as signed for next year (and Zubrus not), so that leaves the team as something like:

Cammalleri-Zajac-?

Henrique-Elias-?

Ruutu-Gomez-Bernier

Matteau-Gionta-Tootoo

Greene-Larsson

Merrill-Severson

Gelinas-?

That's pretty dire all around. A center is really needed and they need to clear out a LW somewhere along the way.

Maybe a deal centered on the 1st (assuming we pick in the 7-12 range) for O'Reilly? Risky though, I'd need a signed extension or at least a reasonable assurance that we can lock ROR up long term if we made such a deal.
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Havlat and Ryder have been discussed...I think in the end, no GM wanted them, or were simply able to find guys who were better fits. Ryder and Havlat are gone regardless.

As for the others...two things: 1) You need some bodies to finish out the season, and 2) One of two of these guys might be here next season. Lou can get a longer look at them and decide if any of them are worth bringing back.

It's not sexy or exciting for sure. But at least Lou took two steps towards the future. That's something.

Not good enough!!!

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Maybe a deal centered on the 1st (assuming we pick in the 7-12 range) for O'Reilly? Risky though, I'd need a signed extension or at least a reasonable assurance that we can lock ROR up long term if we made such a deal.

 

O'Reilly's a 1st liner, but he doesn't seem like the best fit here.  They just don't have someone with offensive creativity besides Gomez and Elias.

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Not good enough!!!

Even if Lou had dealt Ryder and Havlat, there would still be complaints. Lou isn't going to get the benefit of the doubt much these days. Like many others have noticed, sure, a couple more "just because" moves would've been nice, but I'll take the 2nd and two 3rds and call it a day.

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Thornton is 35. No thanks.

 

Plan to rebuild forwards:

1. Use 2015 1st for a forward

2. Draft forwards with the two 2nd rounders

3. Explore trade market with Gelinas/Merrill/etc. for a young forward

4. Hope a couple or so of Blandisi/Matteau/Boucher/Black/Quenneville etc. become quality top 9 NHL forwards

5. Explore free agency although it will be thin

 

Overall, hopefully the newly assembled forward corp can come together nicely in 2/3 years with Zajac, Cammalleri, Henrique, and Josefson to form an atleast middle of the pack respectable group at forward. Add on a deep defensive core and Schneider/Kinkaid. That should defeintely atleast challenge for a playoff spot and than improve from there.

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Thornton is 35. No thanks.

 

Plan to rebuild forwards:

1. Use 2015 1st for a forward

2. Draft forwards with the two 2nd rounders

3. Explore trade market with Gelinas/Merrill/etc. for a young forward

4. Hope a couple or so of Blandisi/Matteau/Boucher/Black/Quenneville etc. become quality top 9 NHL forwards

5. Explore free agency although it will be thin

 

Overall, hopefully the newly assembled forward corp can come together nicely in 2/3 years with Zajac, Cammalleri, Henrique, and Josefson to form an atleast middle of the pack respectable group at forward. Add on a deep defensive core and Schneider/Kinkaid. That should defeintely atleast challenge for a playoff spot and than improve from there.

 

 

Yeah you're right. He's currently got 40 assists and 12 goals in 59 games, but he's 35!

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Interesting to hear Lou be forthright about using those picks to improve the team in the coming months - I don't know how much can be done on that score.  I'm going to count Gomez, Bernier, and Tootoo as signed for next year (and Zubrus not), so that leaves the team as something like:

 

Cammalleri-Zajac-?

Henrique-Elias-?

Ruutu-Gomez-Bernier

Matteau-Gionta-Tootoo

 

Greene-Larsson

Merrill-Severson

Gelinas-?

 

That's pretty dire all around.  A center is really needed and they need to clear out a LW somewhere along the way.

 

There is no sign from the current staff that says Zubrus will be gone next year. I mean there is precedent of Lou buying out Brylin, but so far the new regime has played Zubrus quite a bit, and even today, he's practicing on a line with Patrik Elias, and back above Ruutu on the depth chart.

 

There is just no way any sane person can look at the forward list and think with a few moves, this team is in the playoffs. You can make a lot of horrible long-term decisions in order to attempt it, but if you know how limited Zajac and Henrique are offensively, recognize that Elias will be 39 next year, and know that there is no one in the AHL ready to step up and take a spot....if you can recognize all that, you know this team has no chance of being a playoff team. The top 6 is the worst in the NHL, and there is absolutely no offense from the bottom 6. It's a fvcking disaster.

 

Lou Lamoriello has ownerships approval. He has the money to make moves. The only problem is there is no short term fix. Not this off-season at least.

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O'Reilly's a 1st liner, but he doesn't seem like the best fit here. They just don't have someone with offensive creativity besides Gomez and Elias.

First line centers are hard to come by and aren't available often these days... If the deal is right, may be worth taking a chance. But I only consider it if we don't have a top 5 pick. I don't move the pick for anything if it's top 5 (not likely at this point).
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