NJDevs4978 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 I agree there is no way he wanted to make the Cespedes trade. He absolutely had to from the PR point. A part of me also thinks he backed out of the Gomez trade because he overpaid. I wouldn't go that far...if anything the Mets' medical people actually got one right for once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capo Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 I wouldn't go that far...if anything the Mets' medical people actually got one right for once. Just saying... I'm skeptical of everything this management does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capo Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Collin McHugh was my next door neighbor for a season while he played for the B-Mets while I never really talked to him. He talked to my kids a little. Big game for him tonight. I never thought he would be as good as he has for the Astros... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek21 Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 So it all boils down to Game 5 tomorrow. DeGrom vs Greinke. I think the Mets can do it. Best of luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted October 15, 2015 Author Share Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) Interesting stat. Greinke has had 4 starts with Gary Cederstrom behind the plate. His era is 7+. Edited October 15, 2015 by '7' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) This "gem" from Amateur Terry: http://espn.go.com/blog/newyork/mets/post/_/id/112072/terry-collins-game-5-gravy-after-successful-season “Obviously, this is where you want to get,” Collins said late Wednesday, after arriving at Dodger Stadium for an off-day media session. “You want to get to the postseason. Any time you're down to win or lose, it's a tough situation. There's a lot of pressure on both teams. But, I'll tell you, I'm so proud of the way our guys made it through the season. “This, to me, is gravy. We're going to go out and play real, real hard. But they can't take away what these guys accomplished all year long. You can't take that away from them. No matter if we lose tomorrow night or we come out on top, we're very, very happy with what we've accomplished, and we'll be prepared tomorrow.” This is one of many reasons why Terry is so hard to take. We know he's not the brightest bulb in the chandelier. We know that he never would've been considered for another major-league managerial position if not for Sandy needing a warm body to be a caretaker during the building years. Thanks to a bevy of sensational young arms and some key in-season moves, the guy somehow finds himself in the right place at the right time (let's face it, he hasn't had all that much to do with the Mets getting into the playoffs, and if anything, he's gotten in the way at times), and when he finally happens to get into the playoffs...now winning what would be a huge game for this franchise (that hasn't seen much in the way of success, as we all know all too well) is nothing more than GRAVY?! Really Terry?! "Well we're just happy to be here"...what a fvcking joke! What does this moron think...that this team is going to just keep making the playoffs year after year like it's preordained? If baseball has taught us anything, it's that there's absolutely ZERO guarantees when it comes to multiple postseason appearances. "The next step" doesn't always come automatically...it wouldn't surprise me all that much if the Mets missed the playoffs next season. It's amazing to me how Terry is already patting everyone (including himself) on the back for a job well done on a job that's hardly finished yet, and making a concession speech before this game is even played. Sorry Terry, this team hasn't won a playoff series since 2006...if the Mets lose fair and square tonight, so be it, but your "honorable mention" crap isn't what anyone wants to hear right now. You're only proving what many already suspect...that now that this team is a contender, it's outgrown you severely, and it's time to bring in a guy who actually seems like he's up to the challenge and won't see him team win in spite of him. Edited October 15, 2015 by Colorado Rockies 1976 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Yeah I'm not buying it either, Terry's too worried about trying to take the pressure off instead of seizing the moment. He more than anyone should know there aren't infinite tomorrow's, he's 66 himself. And 7 I saw that too, well anything we can grasp onto I guess Maybe he has a tough strike zone for Greinke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted October 15, 2015 Author Share Posted October 15, 2015 Another unpleasant nugget of info. Gary Cohen was on WFAN recently with Joe and Evan and said there's no chance the Mets re-sign Murphy or Cespedes. Also called Murphy a "net-negative" which is kind of harsh for a broadcaster of the home team. http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/10/14/mets-daniel-murphy-nlds-dodgers-cespedes/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) Another unpleasant nugget of info. Gary Cohen was on WFAN recently with Joe and Evan and said there's no chance the Mets re-sign Murphy or Cespedes. Also called Murphy a "net-negative" which is kind of harsh for a broadcaster of the home team. http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/10/14/mets-daniel-murphy-nlds-dodgers-cespedes/ I heard most of that interview live, I was floored Gary was that 'opinionated' about Murphy, maybe Keith is rubbing off on him Edited October 15, 2015 by NJDevs4978 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Another unpleasant nugget of info. Gary Cohen was on WFAN recently with Joe and Evan and said there's no chance the Mets re-sign Murphy or Cespedes. Also called Murphy a "net-negative" which is kind of harsh for a broadcaster of the home team. http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/10/14/mets-daniel-murphy-nlds-dodgers-cespedes/ Meh, just one man's opinion. That being said, I pretty much agree with him on Murph...he does come up with some big hits, but he never really fine-tuned the weaker points of his game, and the brainfarts do get aggravating after awhile. He'll be making too much money for a team that's cost-conscious too. But Flores and Herrera are hardly sure things, and Flores is far worse at getting on base than Murph is. re: Cespedes, I've always felt the same way...if you're a team that can afford only one more big contract, you have to think long and hard about giving that money to Cespedes. He's already shown some tendencies towards loafing...does that get worse with a big fat-cat contract? I can actually understand it if Sandy doesn't sign either player, given the circumstances surrounding each. But they can't continue to act like Loser is capable of being a cornerstone...the identity of this team (on offense) needs to be built around someone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 I'm still in denial over the fact this could be the last game as a Met for Cespedes/Murphy and other FA's like Colon, Clippard, Johnson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted October 15, 2015 Author Share Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) Meh, just one man's opinion. That being said, I pretty much agree with him on Murph...he does come up with some big hits, but he never really fine-tuned the weaker points of his game, and the brainfarts do get aggravating after awhile. He'll be making too much money for a team that's cost-conscious too. But Flores and Herrera are hardly sure things, and Flores is far worse at getting on base than Murph is. re: Cespedes, I've always felt the same way...if you're a team that can afford only one more big contract, you have to think long and hard about giving that money to Cespedes. He's already shown some tendencies towards loafing...does that get worse with a big fat-cat contract? I can actually understand it if Sandy doesn't sign either player, given the circumstances surrounding each. But they can't continue to act like Loser is capable of being a cornerstone...the identity of this team (on offense) needs to be built around someone else. Oh I agree definitely, it's his opinion and for the most part, he's probably right. It's just odd to see an announcer...who I assume does know the players and is somewhat chummy with them...take such a stance. Usually they mince their words a little more and are restrained. If they win this game and move on to the NLCS and (god willing the WS) maybe it will buff the coffers enough to make a substantial offer to Cespedes. It's pretty clear he wants to be here, and it seems like a perfect fit This is such a huge game for everything, or season, our financial future. They just have to win. They have to. Edited October 15, 2015 by '7' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capo Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) CR76, great post about TC... I actually agree with Cohen on Murph. I like Murphy he's good player but like CR76 says those finer points were never addressed. I think he'll be a great addition to the Yankees. (We know theyre going to take a run at him. We've known for 2 years Murph was just holding it down for when Herrera was ready. Wilmer has a position on this team. He hasn't played yet... But, he should be at 3rd base. He's ready to be a big league ballplayer. Maybe he's not a short stop... however he has play very well defensively since he was officially moved to 2nd base. David Wright is this teams problem in so many ways. Number one, he's completely shot as a baseball player.two, his albatross contract will keep the team from making any similar money deals. There always going to point out... look at it David Wright's contract and how that it had negatively affected the teams finances. (I don't even think his contract is insured.)Having said that we can absolutely forget about Cespedes. So where do the Mets go from here? They most likely aren't adding money... So this makes TC's comments even more aggravating. And like CR76 said, there are absolutely no guarantees the Mets make it back here next year. Look at the Washington Nationals. They may have completely missed their window. Now we have to watch out for the Marlins and the Braves coming up from behind us. Edited October 15, 2015 by capo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Harvey IS available tonight according to Terry. All hands on deck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted October 15, 2015 Author Share Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) Harvey IS available tonight according to Terry. All hands on deck. Yep, really we have no reason to see anybody except starters today and Familia. And if Noah or Harvey is in late and we're cruising...I wouldn't even pull them for Familia. Unless it's like 11-1 Mets or something (then you can pull them for Robles for all I care) but that won't happen. Edited October 15, 2015 by '7' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted October 15, 2015 Author Share Posted October 15, 2015 Not to beat a dead horse but...what the hell I'll beat it .184 1hr 8rbi .184avg .322obp David Wright. Not a huge sample but that's his playoff numbers. What a pleasant surprise it would be today if he can park one. Or just have a big 3/4 2rbi day or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capo Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Yep, really we have no reason to see anybody except starters today and Familia. And if Noah or Harvey is in late and we're cruising...I wouldn't even pull them for Familia. Unless it's like 11-1 Mets or something (then you can pull them for Robles for all I care) but that won't happen. I keep thinking Greinke is due to implode... maybe tonight is the night and we get that 11-1. That would be nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capo Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Not to beat a dead horse but...what the hell I'll beat it .184 1hr 8rbi .184avg .322obp David Wright. Not a huge sample but that's his playoff numbers. What a pleasant surprise it would be today if he can park one. Or just have a big 3/4 2rbi day or something. I think it's far more likely that Duda has a breakout game than Wright. Wright has nothing to offer this team as a baseball player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 CR76, great post about TC... I actually agree with Cohen on Murph. I like Murphy he's good player but like CR76 says those finer points were never addressed. I think he'll be a great addition to the Yankees. (We know theyre going to take a run at him. We've known for 2 years Murph was just holding it down for when Herrera was ready. Wilmer has a position on this team. He hasn't played yet... But, he should be at 3rd base. He's ready to be a big league ballplayer. Maybe he's not a short stop... however he has play very well defensively since he was officially moved to 2nd base. David Wright is this teams problem in so many ways. Number one, he's completely shot as a baseball player.two, his albatross contract will keep the team from making any similar money deals. There always going to point out... look at it David Wright's contract and how that it had negatively affected the teams finances. (I don't even think his contract is insured.)Having said that we can absolutely forget about Cespedes. So where do the Mets go from here? They most likely aren't adding money... So this makes TC's comments even more aggravating. And like CR76 said, there are absolutely no guarantees the Mets make it back here next year. Look at the Washington Nationals. They may have completely missed their window. Now we have to watch out for the Marlins and the Braves coming up from behind us. Wilmer needs to improve at the plate...a .295 OB% for a guy with almost 500 ABs is really bad...especially when Lagares (.286 OB%) is also in the lineup. Those two combine for too many damned outs. It's really hard to carry too many low OB% guys in a lineup. David isn't shot, but he's being paid for what he was and not what he is, and the Mets count on him too much...and as we've seen time and time again, he's the opposite of Derek Jeter...games get bigger, he gets smaller (often disappearing). You can live with him at third (as much as me makes me insane with his never-ending suckage in the clutch)...I think if you get .280, . 350-.360 OB%, 15 HR, and 75 RBI, and a decent amount of doubles, that's not great considering his contract, but that was a rotten deal the day it was signed, so that is what it is. What we have to do is realize and accept the following: 1) Wright will never be 2005-08 Wright again. 2) He'll probably always be a lousy clutch player. 3) He'll never live up to the value of his contact. 4) His future as player is likely to be as a pretty good OB% guy with occasional but almost random pop. He just a spoke on the wheel now...not a driver. Nats had a bad year, but I expect a bounceback into contention...they still have a lot of talent, and will have a manager that can't possibly be less brain-dead than Williams. Atlanta and Philly are nowhere near contending...I wouldn't worry about them for at least a couple more years. Miami's ownership seems intent on short-circuiting any chance their team gets to get something going...until I see that franchise actually stick with a plan, I can't worry about them too much. But the Mets have a nice 2-3 window here where they should contend for either a WC spot or the East title, as long as they're creative and proactive in bringing in offense. They don't need to pay a gazillion dollars to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek21 Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Another unpleasant nugget of info. Gary Cohen was on WFAN recently with Joe and Evan and said there's no chance the Mets re-sign Murphy or Cespedes. Also called Murphy a "net-negative" which is kind of harsh for a broadcaster of the home team. http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/10/14/mets-daniel-murphy-nlds-dodgers-cespedes/ What an idiot. Murphy can play 3 different positions and is a tough out in key situations. If he thinks the Mets won't miss him, he's nuts. What exactly has Dilson Herrera proven? He's a quadruple-A player at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capo Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Flores and Lagares are both young and they did do pretty well battling counts this year. Even if they didn't reach base. And though no one is giving Flores credit his defense improved immensely. Bottomline is he should be this teams 3rd baseman. He's got 20 hr pop and he's still growing in a lot of ways and he has proven to be clutch. He was great is first start and did have at least one hard hit ball off of Kershaw. I'll never get past Wright's contract. Especially since they let Reyes walk. Granted neither player is what they were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) Eh Herrera'll barely be 22 by Opening Day. It's hard to tell what he is yet, maybe he becomes a .275-10-60 hitter who gets on base somewhat with a little speed and plus fielding. He's definitely a good fielder at least unlike most of the other Met infielders, but offensively it's a bit of a crapshoot with PCL numbers being inflated. Ideally you'd keep Murphy as a poor fielding version of Ben Zobrist (who doesn't get on base as much either) but he'll probably be priced out of our range and with Duda and Wright clamped down on first and third for the foreseeable future the only spot for Murphy would be second, and having two young-ish guys that can play there doesn't jibe with keeping Murph. Edited October 15, 2015 by NJDevs4978 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capo Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) Now that TC has said that all hands are on deck. I'm scared to death he yanks Jake too soon for a pinch hitter. Please TC don't fvck this up. .. And Wright bats 2nd again... at least Girardi had the balls to bat A-Rod 8th. I'm not saying he has to hit him 8th but I'd have Conforto up in the order. Sure he's young but he's hit and he did just jack one off Greinke. David Wright will be the death of us. Edited October 15, 2015 by capo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capo Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Now Mr doubleplay... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 David fvcking Wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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