Daniel Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 If you make a trade for Kessel, Toronto better be retaining at least 25% of his salary or it's a no deal. The Devils are in a good enough position capwise that they don't need Toronto to retain any of his salary. If the Devils are actually interested in trading for him, I imagine this will be part of the justification for offering less than other teams might in prospects/picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoekster316 Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) The Devils are in a good enough position capwise that they don't need Toronto to retain any of his salary. If the Devils are actually interested in trading for him, I imagine this will be part of the justification for offering less than other teams might in prospects/picks. Enough of washed up players past their prime. No to FROLIK, No to St. Louis, No to THORNTON. If you make a trade for Kessel, Toronto better be retaining at least 25% of his salary or it's a no deal. Tons of people apparently think Kessel is overpaid. I really don't see it that way. He is an elite goal scorer with five 30+ goal seasons (would've been 6 if not for the lockout). With the new CBA preventing front-loaded contracts, that production is absolutely worth IMHO his $8 mill cap hit. He's 27 and has four seasons 7 seasons left on his contract - analytics show he should remain an elite goal scorer for at least two of these seasons. Edited April 8, 2015 by hoekster316 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slasher72 Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 At this point I'm feeling oddly confident that Kessel is a Devil come draft day. It'll probably involve our first, and probably Gelinas, among other pieces. And I'll hate it. PLEASE NO. Enough of the band-aid approach and barely making the playoffs or missing them entirely. I'd gladly accept 2-5 years of sucking and high draft picks if it got us to the LA Kings' level of firepower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Tons of people apparently think Kessel is overpaid. I really don't see it that way. He is an elite goal scorer with five 30+ goal seasons (would've been 6 if not for the lockout). With the new CBA preventing front-loaded contracts, that production is absolutely worth IMHO his $8 mill cap hit. He's 27 and has four seasons left on his contract - analytics show he should remain an elite goal scorer for at least two of these seasons. He'll be 28 when next season starts and will have six more years on his deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 I'm not sure I'd want to include our 1st, but otherwise I have no objection to Kessel. He'd be the most talented offensive player on our team the day he pulls on a jersey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) Tons of people apparently think Kessel is overpaid. I really don't see it that way. He is an elite goal scorer with five 30+ goal seasons (would've been 6 if not for the lockout). With the new CBA preventing front-loaded contracts, that production is absolutely worth IMHO his $8 mill cap hit. He's 27 and has four seasons left on his contract - analytics show he should remain an elite goal scorer for at least two of these seasons. Here's a couple of points in Kessel's favor: If he matched his 12.3% shooting rate of the last three seasons, he'd have 33 goals right now. If he matched his career rate of 10.8%, he'd have 29 goals. His 8.9 shooting% this season is his lowest since '07-'08 (for whatever that's worth). $8 million per season (cap hit) is still a LOT of coin though. He's also signed for SEVEN more years, not four: Cap Hit: $8 million. 2015-16: $10 million. 2016-17: $9 million. 2017-18: $9 million. 2018-19: $7 million. 2019-20: $7 million. 2020-21: $6 million. 2021-22: $6 million. 2022-23: UFA It's risky, especially since he's not exactly renowned for work ethic, attitude, and being able to do more than score. Edited April 8, 2015 by Colorado Rockies 1976 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 It's risky, especially since he's not exactly renowned for work ethic, attitude, and being able to do more than score. At this point, I would take the 25-30 goals per season (maybe more on our offense, where he'd be the only guy scoring) and worry about what kind of a d!ck he is later. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoekster316 Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Here's a couple of points in Kessel's favor: If he matched his 12.3% shooting rate of the last three seasons, he'd have 33 goals right now. If he matched his career rate of 10.8%, he'd have 29 goals. His 8.9 shooting% this season is his lowest since '07-'08 (for whatever that's worth). $8 million per season (cap hit) is still a LOT of coin though. He's also signed for SEVEN more years, not four: Cap Hit: $8 million. 2015-16: $10 million. 2016-17: $9 million. 2017-18: $9 million. 2018-19: $7 million. 2019-20: $7 million. 2020-21: $6 million. 2021-22: $6 million. 2022-23: UFA It's risky, especially since he's not exactly renowned for work ethic, attitude, and being able to do more than score. Ah crap, you're right. I'm all kinds of messed up without CapGeek. In that case, yes, Toronto would need to take on some of his salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 What center would the Devils put him with? Who knows. Do the Devils have a center in the organization that should play with Kessel? Not really. Do they have any young players who could become that center? No. Do they have any draft picks who could? Well, if they trade this year's, no, they don't. Is there anyone likely to be available on the free agent market who can? No. And on and on we go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 At this point, I would take the 25-30 goals per season (maybe more on our offense, where he'd be the only guy scoring) and worry about what kind of a d!ck he is later. Easy to say that, but seven years is a long time. As we've seen, even seemingly unmovable contracts managed to get moved, but are the Devils really the kind of team that can afford to make a potentially expensive mistake right now? Especially if they start giving up high draft picks AND possibly players? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 What center would the Devils put him with? Who knows. Do the Devils have a center in the organization that should play with Kessel? Not really. Do they have any young players who could become that center? No. Do they have any draft picks who could? Well, if they trade this year's, no, they don't. Is there anyone likely to be available on the free agent market who can? No. And on and on we go. I don't think they would trade this year's pick for Kessel, and I think Toronto could be convinced not to demand it. Toronto also won't have much of a choice if he's not traded before the draft. Otherwise the issues you raise are legit, which is why I would only be interested in him only if Toronto is truly desperate to unload him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmann422 Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 I understand the need for youth and the negatives attached to Kessel and I probably wouldn't be jumping for joy if we traded for him, and I also understand that we aren't one player away from a cup...but the odds that the #6 pick in this draft ever approaches kessel's production are very, very low. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William D'Aquila Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Clowe for Semin at 3 million retained Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 I understand the need for youth and the negatives attached to Kessel and I probably wouldn't be jumping for joy if we traded for him, and I also understand that we aren't one player away from a cup...but the odds that the #6 pick in this draft ever approaches kessel's production are very, very low. If Kessell were four years younger, this reasoning would make sense. But a forward that is drafted number 6 overall is someone you can reasonably predict to be a 20-25 goal scorer and would be doing so for a relatively extended period of time, and at a time when there are hopefully other younger players in the mix. (I'm talking only about goals for simplicity sake). The odds tell you that Kessel will be more like 20 goal scorer in not too long. That's why I say that I'd only make a low ball offer. As George Costanza said, all they have to do is say no. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) Easy to say that, but seven years is a long time. As we've seen, even seemingly unmovable contracts managed to get moved, but are the Devils really the kind of team that can afford to make a potentially expensive mistake right now? Especially if they start giving up high draft picks AND possibly players? We already made mistakes in long term commitments to Kovalchuk and Clowe, maybe 3rd Time is the charm? Edited April 8, 2015 by mfitz804 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William D'Aquila Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Kovy's contract was not a mistake nor was Clowe's. Kovy left before he declined and Clowe is on LTIR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagknife Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Clowe for Semin at 3 million retained So you're essentially saying Semin is worth $10million per for the next 4 years, yikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sokar Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 I would not be surprised if Lou makes a trade for Clarkson, and I can see Elias being traded next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgeControl Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Clowe was a horrible signing! what was the upside? when he skated he was a JAG..the upside was in no way worth the risk. now we pay him 5 mil of three years. terrible Kovy bailed us out big time, we'd be cursing that contract right about now...and every year it would become worse. I'd love to get kessil but not our firsts (this and nexts). I would consider the first for a RNH type young center, I 'd throw in larsson and maybe JJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zubie#8 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Clowe was a horrible signing! what was the upside? when he skated he was a JAG..the upside was in no way worth the risk. now we pay him 5 mil of three years. terrible Kovy bailed us out big time, we'd be cursing that contract right about now...and every year it would become worse. I'd love to get kessil but not our firsts (this and nexts). I would consider the first for a RNH type young center, I 'd throw in larsson and maybe JJ Clowe isn't taking up cap space so who cares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Kovy's contract was not a mistake nor was Clowe's. Kovy left before he declined and Clowe is on LTIR. So putting a bag over your head and crossing the street would be a bad idea ONLY if you get hit by a car? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 So putting a bag over your head and crossing the street would be a bad idea ONLY if you get hit by a car? Well said. We tried to lock two guys up and failed miserably, that was my only point. And Kovy's contract would have been a mistake if he stayed also. He has sucked since he left, and how many more years would we be committed to? Him leaving was a blessing in terms of cap room, and that was just a stroke of luck. Still an awful deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgeControl Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Clowe isn't taking up cap space so who cares. show me where its written that clowe will never play another game and I'll agree with you to a point. 4.8 mil aint chump change, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zubie#8 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 show me where its written that clowe will never play another game and I'll agree with you to a point. 4.8 mil aint chump change,Sadly hes one of our better forwards when hes healthy, we have a ton of space when hes on the cap, he always gets hurt so we LTIR, its really no big deal he isn't hurting the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 show me where its written that clowe will never play another game and I'll agree with you to a point. 4.8 mil aint chump change, The hit that put Clowe out for the year was not a serious one. I could see him attempting one more comeback but I don't think it will be successful. We haven't even gotten word of him skating, or working out off the ice - he's traveled with the team so he's healthy enough to do that, but I'm not sure he wants to risk one more concussion. Sadly hes one of our better forwards when hes healthy, we have a ton of space when hes on the cap, he always gets hurt so we LTIR, its really no big deal he isn't hurting the team. This doesn't seem true - he was real bad in his 13 healthy games this year. LTIR does still hurt the team - you don't bank cap space when a player is on it - and it messes with the summer cap as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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