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Speaking about the game in general, I dld like Boucher's game a lot, he had jump and drew a penalty and made some other good things happen.  Matteau also skated well but made some terrible passes - we didn't see much of him in the 3rd.  

 

And there was Zubrus with his 15 minutes again doing absolutely nothing.  The Devils have to remove Zubrus next year, it just must be done.  It's not going to make the team a lot better but you're 29th in scoring for a reason, take a look why and try to re-evaluate.

 

lol yeah because home ice advantage is fans cheering.  

 

Zubrus is in select company. If he doesn't score a point in his last two games, he will join Jay McClement (last year), Travis Moen (07-08), Alex Henry (03-04), and Bob Corkum (01-02), as players that averaged more than 14:30 a game and had 10 or less points (minimum 1000min). Obviously that means he has the least amount of points per 60 minutes for a regular forward in the NHL this year.

 

Looking at that list, don't think any of those guys played significant time with the likes of a Jagr or an Elias. Said this 100x times but just increible that he's been above Ruutu in the depth chart all season.

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Don't worry, I'm pretty sure that you're not the 'optimistic doofus'.

I'm assuming you're not a grown man, because no normal guy above the age of 17 would obsess about what some other guy writes on a sports forum as much as you do. The fact that you collected quotes from several of my rants tonight and tried to insult me with them is both pathetic and sad.

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Zubrus is in select company. If he doesn't score a point in his last two games, he will join Jay McClement (last year), Travis Moen (07-08), Alex Henry (03-04), and Bob Corkum (01-02), as players that averaged more than 14:30 a game and had 10 or less points (minimum 1000min). Obviously that means he has the least amount of points per 60 minutes for a regular forward in the NHL this year.

 

Looking at that list, don't think any of those guys played significant time with the likes of a Jagr or an Elias. Said this 100x times but just increible that he's been above Ruutu in the depth chart all season.

 

McClement's top linemates were Kulemin, Clarkson, and Mason Raymond - none of these guys are Jagr and Elias, but they're pretty decent players.  

 

I still cannot believe the stupidity of signing him to a 3 year deal.  How many times does Lou have to get burned on old players to realize it fails more often than not?

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Chances of knocking out the Rags.

 

Tampa Bay: Excellent chance.  The one team I know CAN do it.

Boston: Good chance.  They play the style that is kryptonite to the Rags provided they can contain the Rags speed.

Washington: Decent chance.  They can take the Rags style and throw it right back in their face.

Detroit: Possible.  If they get healthy, they have the speed to match the Rags.

NY Islanders: Possible.  I'm not too confident they can hang with them for a full 7 game series.

Montreal: Unlikely.  They've been riding a hot goalie all season long, and the Rags have the edge in every aspect.

Pittsburgh: No chance.  Fragile as fvck.

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Speaking about the game in general, I dld like Boucher's game a lot, he had jump and drew a penalty and made some other good things happen. Matteau also skated well but made some terrible passes - we didn't see much of him in the 3rd.

And there was Zubrus with his 15 minutes again doing absolutely nothing. The Devils have to remove Zubrus next year, it just must be done. It's not going to make the team a lot better but you're 29th in scoring for a reason, take a look why and try to re-evaluate.

lol yeah because home ice advantage is fans cheering.

Tri not sure where you're headed here is the home locker room, assigned parking spot more valuable than more than half the building cheering against you at home? I would venture to say they are embarrassed, they being any player that still gives a sh!t and the atmosphere tonight. Anyway turn the page or better they burn the page and let's see what moves are made and by that we can judge just how much Lou either gets it or if he continues to overvalue marginal players. Maybe a few less solid and fine gentlemen in the locker room and more guys that can actually get it done. For example the usual suspects, Fraser, Gelinas, Harrold, Zubrus Giants, Clowe, Ryder, Havlet, Tootoo or Berner and for me even JJ. Who to his credit has proven to be most valuable when it's just him and the goalie on the ice. Of course you can always point to each one of these guys and say they weren't always a problem to me the sheer number of below average parts speaks volumes.

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I'm sorry that Devils fans had to pay to watch that, or that fans watched hoping for a win.

 

No gutsy efforts or ridiculous wins on the back of 35-40 saves by Schneider. The scoreboard needed to reflect the play on the ice, and the Devils need to finish the season with it being clear to ownership and management how far away this team is from being where they once were.

 

Hoping for two more losses embarrassing losses to close out the season. 

 

Unfortunately, when their team is not good, the first thing a lot of fans point to is lack of guts or effort.  I still think the Devils do try.  And that's what's scary about this bunch...their best effort isn't often anywhere near good enough to win or even be competitive. 

 

But I agree that the Devils piling up the losses to finish the season is ultimately a good thing...I did fully expect this would happen (it was hard not to with the schedule), but every additional loss is another exclamation point that this team needs serious changes. 

 

If I'm Lou or the Devils' new GM (I still don't think Lou being back next season is a lock), I definitely explore moving Elias this offseason.  Nothing against him at all, he'll go down as one of the best Devils ever, but if the Devils are irrelevant again next season and he's playing with mehish talent, I think he's going to be very cranky.  Of course, the Devils can start 2015-16 with him and trade him during the season, but I think it'd be best for everyone if he got a fresh start with a playoff contender, with players who may be able to bring out whatever Patrik has left.  Just like with Marty, I saw all of his best years...I don't need him to play every last game as a New Jersey Devil to be happy with his career.     

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Beyond stupid. An insult, really.

C'mon guys, this isn't something that they just decided last week and said "Oh hey, our team sucks, but let's go ahead and do a Fan Appreciation night, when we play the Rags, and the building will be full of their fans as they potentially celebrate clinching the President's Trophy".

 

These types of events are decided at or even BEFORE the beginning of the season.  The people that determine the who/what/when/where these events occur had no way of knowing we would potentially be this bad, and that the Rags would be this good.  

 

Cut the people some fvcking slack.

 

Also, for what it's worth, Ottawa's Fan Appreciation night was yesterday too, so it's sort of an NHL trend to have this celebration at the culmination of the season (it was our last home game too, which is another reason yesterday was a "good" night to have it)

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They'd definitely be a playoff team if they did that.

the ruutu love is getting old. one or two goals in how many games? just another devils vet who lost sight of the net years ago. put he elias and zubie on a checking line next year and call it the fairwell line

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Haha. Listen... there are plenty of people who grind my gears on the forum. I think it's awesome how passionate you clearly are about the team -- it's enough to make you mad, I get it. But you post 8-9 times in a row saying the same thing in expletive-laden temper tantrums. They don't add anything, and they annoy everyone. Everyone! Not just me, not just the people who replied to you.

Maybe you're a troll and all you want to do is annoy people. But I don't think so... I just think you're a hothead who doesn't know how to hit the "send" button a few less times. You obviously know enough about the team to warrant wasting time on this forum. For almost 10 years I've been wasting time on this forum. I started here as an 8th grader and now I'm a first-year professional in my field. It's a fvcking awesome forum, a fvcking awesome community, and I absolutely love it.

My point is... I don't *really* think you're a moron. And I do really think you care, to some extent, what other people think about your opinions. That's why you post them here and don't just scream them at your television. I just think that if you want to spend more time having a discussion and less time getting into fights and having people scroll down the second they see your name, you should chill. We know you hate Lou. we know, we know, we know, we know. You posting about how much you hate him 8 times in every thread is as predictable as MB telling us we'll be cup contenders next season.

And hey, man. I'm a 24 year old on an Internet forum. You'll probably never meet me. You definitely don't need to listen to anything I'm saying. if I bore you, slap me on ignore and continue with your day. I'm just trying to give you advice so you don't wind up on every ignore list on the forum.

 

Thing is... and of course i am the one posting this.

 

People here are angry at the results on the forum can bash Zubrus, Gionta, Fraser, etc etc etc 30 times within a minute and NO. ONE. CARE. or get mad at those posters. We've seen it, it's a thing. It's free for all full on hate to those players. 

 

At the second someone hates on Lou though. Then it's different. Some posters simply don't accept it and won't just look away they HAVE to defend him. Though actually i got to admit i've seen a lot of posters turning the corner and are not defending him anymore cause well... it's so ridiculous it's sily to defend some of that stuff at this point. Bunch of people are simply in denial or straight up refuse to give up on Lou (there was even a pole at some point and one of the choice was saying something like... "you know Lou has to go but your heart won't let you" and it got a bunch of votes. It's a thing, people are not willing to let go or even entertain the idea. While some saw it coming and are beyond pissed to see it go any further. Of course it's gonna create heated arguments.

 

Of course there's a big gap between people being excessive about it (of course i was) and people putting heads in the sand about it. And then there's people in between who share both sides.

 

But at the end of the day, Lou absolutely deserves all the bashing. More than Brodeur did, more than any of our 4th liners did, more than Fraser is... It's not Fraser's fault if he sucks but still get NHL ice time isnt it? Why is he the one getting the heat?

 

I get that Lou had a long leash with some fans but i simply don't understand why it's SO long honestly.

 

And again, it's a message board, people can post wtv they want. People here are getting incredibly mad when someone doesn't have the same opinion that they have, so much that they feel the need to shut them down. And it's not true that there's NO ONE that likes his posts. I do as im sure you know. And i got a LOT of private msgs from people sharing my thoughts but aren't willing to share it cause they know they'll get bash by the "cool kids" here. So people need to learn that their opinion is not the law here.

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Chances of knocking out the Rags.

 

Tampa Bay: Excellent chance.  The one team I know CAN do it.

Boston: Good chance.  They play the style that is kryptonite to the Rags provided they can contain the Rags speed.

Washington: Decent chance.  They can take the Rags style and throw it right back in their face.

Detroit: Possible.  If they get healthy, they have the speed to match the Rags.

NY Islanders: Possible.  I'm not too confident they can hang with them for a full 7 game series.

Montreal: Unlikely.  They've been riding a hot goalie all season long, and the Rags have the edge in every aspect.

Pittsburgh: No chance.  Fragile as fvck.

 

I'd put it as:

 

GOOD CHANCE:

Boston

Tampa Bay

 

POSSIBLE:

Washington

Detroit

Montreal

 

UNLIKELY:

NY Islanders

Pittsburgh

 

 

Islanders aren't what they were 3 months ago, and I'm not sure they have the personnel to just turn it around with the playoffs a week away. As for Montreal, I still think Rangers' depth is far beyond theirs. Price would have to significantly outplay Lundqvist, which is possible, and a lot of other things would need to go right. I think Montreal could beat every other team (except maybe Tampa Bay) but not the Rangers. And Pittsburgh, forget it, they've gone downhill worse than their "early round exit vs. the Flyers" days. Washington, they're playing good hockey and at the right time. This could be the year they muster up the strength to beat the Rags.

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Zubrus didn't assemble a dynasty after inheriting Mickey Mouse. Fraser hasn't made us one of the most successful teams in the NHL in the past 25 years. We got spoiled by Lou, by the Devils. I'm disappointed as you are with the recent outcomes, but I have more respect for Lou and understand the fact that being a playoff team 20 of the last 25 years means we shouldn't really blame everything on him.

I don't care about people's opinions. That's what this place is for. But slasher and, to a lesser extent, you, post 8 times per thread regardless of the purpose beating the ever loving pulp outta that pony.

 

 

Oh i get why people love him trust me. Dynasty is a bit of a reach though. We've certainly been competitive through 20 years straight and it's really impressive. But it's a different league now and the lack of willingness to adjust is hurting now.

 

I do understand where you are coming from but moving on is not showing disrespect. For the best of the franchise i think its clear its time to move on from our scouting and management team with a new approach.

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True dynasties are so hard to come by these days.  All you can really hope for as a fan is to enjoy an extended run of relevance, and to have some of those relevant seasons result in at least one championship (though most fans will happily settle for just one).  Fortunately, we got to enjoy something very close to that with the three finals in four seasons, two of which resulted in championships. 

 

I'm on the fence about Lou at this point.  More and more it just feels like it's time for a change.  And just like Marty's last seasons, the balance of the last 4-5 years won't change my opinion of what Lou did here...just the fact that he held the job for 28 years when most GMs are lucky to last as many as 10 pretty much says it all. 

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Some of you guys really need to learn how to use the ignore feature or just learn how to ignore posters post if you don't like them. It's really not that hard to do. This is coming from someone who doesn't use the ignore feature or is bothered by anyones post even when I do find some things laughable.

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Haha. Listen... there are plenty of people who grind my gears on the forum. I think it's awesome how passionate you clearly are about the team -- it's enough to make you mad, I get it. But you post 8-9 times in a row saying the same thing in expletive-laden temper tantrums. They don't add anything, and they annoy everyone. Everyone! Not just me, not just the people who replied to you.

Maybe you're a troll and all you want to do is annoy people. But I don't think so... I just think you're a hothead who doesn't know how to hit the "send" button a few less times. You obviously know enough about the team to warrant wasting time on this forum. For almost 10 years I've been wasting time on this forum. I started here as an 8th grader and now I'm a first-year professional in my field. It's a fvcking awesome forum, a fvcking awesome community, and I absolutely love it.

My point is... I don't *really* think you're a moron. And I do really think you care, to some extent, what other people think about your opinions. That's why you post them here and don't just scream them at your television. I just think that if you want to spend more time having a discussion and less time getting into fights and having people scroll down the second they see your name, you should chill. We know you hate Lou. we know, we know, we know, we know. You posting about how much you hate him 8 times in every thread is as predictable as MB telling us we'll be cup contenders next season.

And hey, man. I'm a 24 year old on an Internet forum. You'll probably never meet me. You definitely don't need to listen to anything I'm saying. if I bore you, slap me on ignore and continue with your day. I'm just trying to give you advice so you don't wind up on every ignore list on the forum.

 

I hear you man... Let's bury the hatchet, life's too short. We'll see what Lou can do in the off-season to right the ship. 

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