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Trading hopes for a generational talent is Millbury bad GMing.  i guess on a team this bad fans need something to cling on to. I am not enamored by this D in the slightest. The x factor is with Adam. If he can improve his skating exponentially, then his upside may be exciting.  He still looks like he struggles with players coming down the wall with speed and the game is only getting faster. I am not sure how I fell about Merrill, hopefully,if he is here next season he takes a step forward offensively. Gelinas, may be someone you can hide if he has a stronger partner, even then not sure he can play at this level on a nightly basis. LL may be willing to give these guys some more time in order to develop/boost value. I don't see this team being much better next season, so unless LL feels his job in jeopardy I don't see a fire sale of our supposed plethora of young d-men. And just stop, if you think EDM would trade McDavid for them even if Schneids was included.

 

I didn't say anything about a trade with Edmonton. You just said our Defense is mediocre, our defense is going to be very good, I think you are underestimating how young they are is all.

 

And you are right this team is going to suck again next year, and the year after that and probably the following year. We need an entire top 6. And until we hit rock bottom we probably wont really rebuild our forward corps the way it needs to be done.  

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I didn't say anything about a trade with Edmonton. You just said our Defense is mediocre, our defense is going to be very good, I think you are underestimating how young they are is all.

And you are right this team is going to suck again next year, and the year after that and probably the following year. We need an entire top 6. And until we hit rock bottom we probably wont really rebuild our forward corps the way it needs to be done.

The title of the thread was what would you trade for McDavid and the topic of the young D came up.

I wonder what percent of Stanley Cup winningrosters consist of homegrown talent?

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2015 1st (6th overall)

2016 1st

Florida 2nd

Cammy

Severson

 

Would probably get Edmonton listening.  But:

 

1)  I wouldn't offer that for the next coming of Jesus Christ himself, and

2)  EDM could get much beter offers than that.

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2015 1st (6th overall)

2016 1st

Florida 2nd

Cammy

Severson

Would probably get Edmonton listening. But:

1) I wouldn't offer that for the next coming of Jesus Christ himself, and

2) EDM could get much beter offers than that.

There's not a chance in hell Edmonton listens to that. Lou would get laughed off the phone.
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The only way a team can swing something like this is if they have an insane amount of depth and young talent ready to go.  The Devils don't have it.  By the time they could put together a package Edmonton would even consider, the Devils would be an expansion team with one generational talent and not much of a way to improve upon it for the foreseeable future, as they will probably have to give up a few first-rounders (probably this pick and 2016 and 2017) to go along with the talent that could help the Oilers right away (like Schneider, though obviously Schneider + a gaggle of picks won't be anywhere near enough to get this done...but no way would Schneider not be a part of any deal for McDavid).  The last thing the Devils can afford to do is to not have any first-rounders for a while. 

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The only way a team can swing something like this is if they have an insane amount of depth and young talent ready to go. The Devils don't have it. By the time they could put together a package Edmonton would even consider, the Devils would be an expansion team with one generational talent and not much of a way to improve upon it for the foreseeable future, as they will probably have to give up a few first-rounders (probably this pick and 2016 and 2017) to go along with the talent that could help the Oilers right away (like Schneider, though obviously Schneider + a gaggle of picks won't be anywhere near enough to get this done...but no way would Schneider not be a part of any deal for McDavid). The last thing the Devils can afford to do is to not have any first-rounders for a while.

The Devils don't look much better than an expansion team as is. I'm honestly not sure it's impossible to put a better expansion group together.

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The title of the thread was what would you trade for McDavid and the topic of the young D came up.

I wonder what percent of Stanley Cup winningrosters consist of homegrown talent?

Just because the title of the thread is about a trade doesn't mean I was refrencing it at all. You know this and every post is a discussion. You brought up our d being mediocre, which I think is an inaccurate read given their extreme youth which you overlooked in your assessment.

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The Devils don't look much better than an expansion team as is. I'm honestly not sure it's impossible to put a better expansion group together.

 

The Devils have a top goalie signed to a reasonable long-term deal.  Some young defensemen with upside.  They will lose the goalie in a deal for McDavid and don't have another one in the system.  They will lose picks needed to bring in young forwards.  At least right now there's means to add desperately needed young talent through the draft and possibly through trades.  If the Devils go all-in on McDavid, how do they build around him for the first 2-4 years they have him?  McDavid could spend the first 3-5 years playing on a god-awful team that will have a hell of a time getting better.  Yeah, the Devils look bad right now, but at least as long as they don't make any bad "right now" deals, they can at least start to rebuild.      

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There's not a chance in hell Edmonton listens to that. Lou would get laughed off the phone.

 

Huh, you really think two (presumably) early 1sts, 2nd, a blue-chip D prospect, and top-6 forward isn't even a starting point?

 

If that's the consensus, that's insanity then and, as others have said, there's really nothing the Devils could offer to even make it interesting.

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Huh, you really think two (presumably) early 1sts, 2nd, a blue-chip D prospect, and top-6 forward isn't even a starting point?

If that's the consensus, that's insanity then and, as others have said, there's really nothing the Devils could offer to even make it interesting.

Its not close. Schneider and Severson would have to be included.
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The Devils have a top goalie signed to a reasonable long-term deal. Some young defensemen with upside. They will lose the goalie in a deal for McDavid and don't have another one in the system. They will lose picks needed to bring in young forwards. At least right now there's means to add desperately needed young talent through the draft and possibly through trades. If the Devils go all-in on McDavid, how do they build around him for the first 2-4 years they have him? McDavid could spend the first 3-5 years playing on a god-awful team that will have a hell of a time getting better. Yeah, the Devils look bad right now, but at least as long as they don't make any bad "right now" deals, they can at least start to rebuild. [/quotis

I want to be clear, I don't think it's possible to add mcdavid, and if it was I wouldn't be someone advocating going all in on him. What I'm saying is we wouldn't be any worse off if we threw everything at Edmonton for him. No goalie? Big deal. If we were going that route, you're right, we'd be bad at least the next three years. Give kinkaid the keys next season. Bring in every free agent goalie on the market. Play Wedge. Hell, play clermont. In three years we can find one competent guy, because that's all it takes. We'd lose one first round pick. Big deal. Right now we don't have a top 30 forward, and the prospects of that changing aren't great. Gut the franchise for a generational talent and we'd eventually find the pieces to surround him with and probably be a cup contender during his prime. Right now we could be closer to contending, but adding a mcdavid could be a better shot at sustained success way down the line.

My point here is we essentially look like an expansion team as is. If mcdavid is as good as they say he is, we wouldn't be in a much worse position long term if we gutted the organization for him.

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thecoffeecake...it'd be a hell of a lot more than one first-round pick, as far as the picks part of the equation goes, and that's the big problem.  You're probably going to have to give the Oilers a few first-rounders and some second-rounders, as the NHL talent you have to give them is minimal.  You're giving them Schneider.  And one or two young defensemen...Severson would be one of them.  The Oilers might want Larsson too.  And they'll probably want a piece or two that can help them immediately.  Schneider and possibly Larsson fit that bill, but who else really does?  Is all of this going to be enough, even with all of the picks?  I know you made it clear you don't think it's possible to add McDavid anyway, but it's like I said, ideally you have tremendous organizational depth, where you don't have enough room for all of your talent to play at the NHL level, and can afford not to have picks for 2-3 years without feeling it.  The Devils are at the opposite end of that spectrum.   

 

So basically, by the time you're done, you've given up a gaggle of picks that you can't really afford to give up, a top-tier goalie, at least one young defenseman and probably more.  It'd probably take the Devils 5-6 years to begin to recover from that, and even then there's no guarantees that it might not take a little longer.    

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In my opinion, Schneider is untouchable unless a top ten goalie is also coming back in the deal, or is signed via free agency. Otherwise, no deal.

 

It all goes back to the same thing...you can deal him if you have a top, can't-miss ready-for-the-NHL-right-now prospect in your system.  Or you deal the prospect.  If Edmonton already had a guy like that, why trade him for Schneider? 

 

The only reason you trade a guy like McDavid is if he makes it 100% clear he doesn't want to play for your franchise, and if you do that, you fill as many holes as possible with that deal...basically, what Quebec did when they dealt Lindros.  Edmonton needs a goalie in the worst way, and defensemen too.  And since Devils don't have much to give the Oilers that would help them right away, they can only sweeten the pot with a lot of draft picks that they can't afford to give up. 

 

And it sounds like this is all moot anyway, based on McDavid's quotes.  Doesn't sound like he's planning on forcing a deal. 

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McDavid is evidently looking forward to playing with the 3 other #1 picks they have there. I'm guessing the Oilers will try hard to get McLellan, and trade one of the former #1's for defensive help. With the addition of McDavid and a good coach who has some say in personnel moves the Oilers may just have their missing piece.

 

And even if they continue to wallow in sub-mediocrity, they will sell a billion McDavid jerseys, probably enough to cover whatever signing bonus they want to give him.

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Well then the kid is dumb if he's just going to let himself wallow in an unmarketable city and loser team.

 

Or he was brought up the right way, rather than as a spoiled brat (See Lindros).   What is to say this kid isn't so good that he doesn't make EDM the next Pitt?  The Pens were bankrupt, an NHL afterthought, and about to move before they got Crosby.  He changed the fortunes of that team and now they are on NBC broadcasts every other night and one of the most marketable teams in the league.

 

Would you be saying the same thing if we won the lottery and were getting him instead of EDM?  I highly doubt it, but we are almost as unmarketable as the Oilers, and last I checked our team is garbage and hasn't made the playoffs in 3 years so we aren't in a position to call another organization a bunch of losers. 

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One player wouldn't solve all this teams problems anyway. And the team would become considerably worse given the pieces we would have to give up.

I think it would take stupid offers like Cory,Severson, two 1st and probably some more.

Then we would just be left with all the crap on our roster and McDavid.

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There's not a chance in hell Edmonton listens to that. Lou would get laughed off the phone.

There's not a chance in hell Edmonton listens to that. Lou would get laughed off the phone.

Lou will be laughed off the phone with any initial offer he makes to any other team because he doesn't have the assets to trade with his band aid fix to make the playoffs next season.

As for McDavid trade forget about it, move on.

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Ridiculous. It's this type of entitled mentality that I will raise my kids to never have. Life sucks. Get a helmet.

Life sucks more if you don't have the guts to do something about it as well. Or are you calling Bill Russell and a$$hole

 

The owners would fvck over any player for a buck. This kid has the chance to make more money going somewhere else and help his career because he is that good and has the leverage to do so and people are literally begging him to do it. I have not heard any argument against this other then some bullsh!t of honoring the draft process which other players have played before so why would it be different now?

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