William D'Aquila Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Happy to see some of you are coming around to the idea of trading Cory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsrule33 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Yes, Schneider's NTC kicks in July 1 - the Devils are not going to Jeff Carter him and send him to fvcking Edmonton. It's a real dick move, and the very fact that people discuss it and have no real issues with it, is the very reason I'm never going to question any player for doing what they have to do come July 1st. There is rarely any loyalty in professional sports from the athletes, to the teams, and definitely not by the fans. When people are going over the merits of trading Cory or not, doubt many are thinking, "man, he just committed to the Devils for the rest of his career before free agency, what a giant a$$hole move it be to trade him just before his contract kicks in." As an organization, it's a pretty classless move that could have repercussions down the road from players and agents. Having said that, a new GM can lay things out to Cory, and say, "you may have not signed up for this, so lets put together a list of teams you might want to go if things really go down hill here." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellOnICE Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 I don't question what players do on July 1 and I wouldn't question what business do on July 1. It's a fvcking business. It wouldn't be an a$$hole move for Cory's sake. They don't have to consult him, but do you think he wants to backstop an awful team for the next few years? I mean, damn, go play with the best young players in the world, in a hockey crazed market for a well regarded coach and GM. We're not sending him to Siberia...well maybe... Class? What class? This is a business and value is value. Cory received a huge contract - he can enjoy it here, there, anywhere. This stuff has ZERO repercussions down the line. A different GM signed him. The direction a few years ago was different than it is now, wouldn't you agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 I don't question what players do on July 1 and I wouldn't question what business do on July 1. It's a fvcking business. It wouldn't be an a$$hole move for Cory's sake. They don't have to consult him, but do you think he wants to backstop an awful team for the next few years? I mean, damn, go play with the best young players in the world, in a hockey crazed market for a well regarded coach and GM. We're not sending him to Siberia...well maybe... Class? What class? This is a business and value is value. Cory received a huge contract - he can enjoy it here, there, anywhere. This stuff has ZERO repercussions down the line. A different GM signed him. The direction a few years ago was different than it is now, wouldn't you agree. I don't know what Schneider wants, but being a hockey player is a lot more than just playing and winning. I believe they added the possibility of adding retroactive NTCs into the 2013 CBA. I don't think Schneider has one, but this is something that was collectively bargained - the idea that you can't just sign a player long-term, then ship his contract out because you've given the player more value. I understand that it's a business, but the idea that the GM is gone - the former GM still has an office in the building, they didn't fire him, and this would still be a move he would be consulted on. And trading Schneider is one thing, but trading him to the least popular destination for an NHL player - yes, that is a sh!tty thing to do if they don't consult him on it, and if the Devils did it, I hope there'd be repercussions from agents and players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Regarding the whole "dick move" when it comes to NTCs. 99% of the time, I have no issue with a player invoking it. The only exception is for a player on a crappy team with a few months left in the last year of his deal saying he won't accept a trade, like Sundin. (In Sundin's case it was worse, since he ended up signing with another team a few months later anyway). It was kind of borderline with Zidlicky. From the reverse standpoint, I would say it would be borderline dickish to trade Schneider to a supposedly undesirable location like Edmonton right before his NTC kicks in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellOnICE Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Schneider had a choice to wait to become UFA. He could've waited, he didn't. Repercussions, Schmercussions. Player to player they don't care. If there's an up and coming FA in NJ who likes it here and the DEvils make a commitment to them, they won't think "oh man, look what happened to Cory." They'll think $$$$$$$. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 (edited) Schneider had a choice to wait to become UFA. He could've waited, he didn't. Repercussions, Schmercussions. Player to player they don't care. If there's an up and coming FA in NJ who likes it here and the DEvils make a commitment to them, they won't think "oh man, look what happened to Cory." They'll think $$$$$$$. Yes, he didn't wait, he signed with the team he wanted to be with. Then they ship him out to a team he doesn't want to go to? Whereas if he had waited to become a UFA, he could go wherever he wanted. It doesn't make any sense and there's a reason why it was collectively bargained that players can have retroactive NTCs. Edited May 28, 2015 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellOnICE Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 You're assuming he would want to stay here. I asked TG this morning about his NTC, he says it kicks in 7/1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 You're assuming he would want to stay here. I asked TG this morning about his NTC, he says it kicks in 7/1. I'm assuming that if he wants to leave, he will get to choose where he wants to go. I assume that he doesn't want to go to Edmonton because he's from the US, his wife is presumably from the US, and Edmonton is a toilet - all white and it stinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 It's a real dick move, and the very fact that people discuss it and have no real issues with it, is the very reason I'm never going to question any player for doing what they have to do come July 1st. There is rarely any loyalty in professional sports from the athletes, to the teams, and definitely not by the fans. When people are going over the merits of trading Cory or not, doubt many are thinking, "man, he just committed to the Devils for the rest of his career before free agency, what a giant a$$hole move it be to trade him just before his contract kicks in." As an organization, it's a pretty classless move that could have repercussions down the road from players and agents. While your point is well taken on the one hand, on the other not all of us are looking past the ethics of trading Cory either. Too many people are for my liking but not all of us. So I still reserve the right to bag on guys like Nash who take the money then force a trade months later And it absolutely would have repercussions, this is the Devils which is already a destination that isn't first choice on a lot of FA lists, doing crap like that with a GM that's presumably going to be here a while would be bad. This isn't Philly which is more of a hotspot (and that GM is gone anyway) where you can get away with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellOnICE Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 I think you guys overthink the FA part of this. How many top flights FAs are coming despite what happens to Cory? I mean, very few top flight FAs even exist anymore. Every player and agent understands teams and players do what's best for them. End of story. If down the line we go and try to sign a FA, this would be long forgotten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsrule33 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 (edited) I think you guys overthink the FA part of this. How many top flights FAs are coming despite what happens to Cory? I mean, very few top flight FAs even exist anymore. Every player and agent understands teams and players do what's best for them. End of story. If down the line we go and try to sign a FA, this would be long forgotten. Not just free agents, but friends, teammates. it's not a great look in the locker room, and could hurt the chance of re-signing players before July 1st. Edited May 28, 2015 by devilsrule33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Not just free agents, but friends, teammates. it's not a great look in the locker room, and could hurt the chance of re-signing players before July 1st. I mean, if it's a deal you have to make, I think you worry about what potential free agents might think about it for another time. With team morale, the team stinks as it is, and without Schneider would be absolutely dreadful. By the time the rebuild (which is what trading someone like Schneider would mean) is even close to coming to fruition, it would be a distant memory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themightyall Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 It sounds like people have been playing too much NHL15. This trade would make us the Oilers circa 2008. You'll never get a return to warrant trading our best player and it's not like Shero's hand is being forced. Not to mention the implausibility of it from a common decency perspective. I don't know if anyone is a Futurama fan, but with a couple of these posts it made me think of: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagknife Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 It sounds like people have been playing too much NHL15. This trade would make us the Oilers circa 2008. You'll never get a return to warrant trading our best player and it's not like Shero's hand is being forced. Not to mention the implausibility of it from a common decency perspective. I don't know if anyone is a Futurama fan, but with a couple of these posts it made me think of: I find myself reading this board and sometimes wondering how out of 2.5 million sperm, some of these people were the freaking fastest.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Bylsma to Buffalo is official now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsrule33 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 It sounds like people have been playing too much NHL15. This trade would make us the Oilers circa 2008. You'll never get a return to warrant trading our best player and it's not like Shero's hand is being forced. Not to mention the implausibility of it from a common decency perspective. I don't know if anyone is a Futurama fan, but with a couple of these posts it made me think of: Trading Schneider is not a ridiculous notion. Everyone mulling it over understands what it means for the Devils, and those people don't want to be the Maple Leafs of 2006-2011. They'd rather skip a few more years, and get to the Maple Leafs of today faster. A Schneider deal may not help the Devils. A lot can go wrong, just like a lot can go wrong if the Devils keep him. The Devils can't bottom out with Cory here. They'll need Shero and his staff to hit all the right notes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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