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If that's the case, I have no idea what Colorado's game plan is.

22 hours ago, Jas0nMacIsaac said:

I would possibly trade up for Keller if things are looking dicey around 8. 

What do you think of Jost? Is Keller a significantly better option?

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I want for us to pick a fw, but won't be shocked if we took a D.man  The consensus out there is top 3 D men are good, but there's no Drew Doughtie in the lot.

regardless, we'll get a decent pick.  Maybe Jason Macissac could clarify, is BCHL on same level as dub? Is it a tier 2? Jost is a good player in a lesser league? But then again Turris came from Tier 2 I believe.

 

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2 hours ago, vadvlfan said:

I want for us to pick a fw, but won't be shocked if we took a D.man  The consensus out there is top 3 D men are good, but there's no Drew Doughtie in the lot.

regardless, we'll get a decent pick.  Maybe Jason Macissac could clarify, is BCHL on same level as dub? Is it a tier 2? Jost is a good player in a lesser league? But then again Turris came from Tier 2 I believe.

 

While I don't know the ins and outs of the amateur hockey circuit, it seems pretty clear to me that you need to dominate the BCHL in order to have any hopes of being a good pro.  At the same time, it's not a guarantee that you will be anything other than an ok player.  Recent players off the top of my head who have put up similar BCHL numbers to Jost include: Gomez, Turris, Beau Bennett, and Zajac.  (Brett Hull too if you want to go back that far). 

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I think Jost is my preferred pick at #11 unless someone else falls, but in my mind I think #11 could be a choice between Jost and Keller. Jost is my preference because he's owned every level of play he's played at this season, 2.0 ppg in the Under-18's and over that in the BCHL, think he has a very good chance of becoming a top line center imo

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I wouldn't be mad at any of Jost, Keller or Brown btu I think Keller is my BPA at that spot. His numbers are absurdly good. Like some of the best the USNDP has seen...ever. Sure, he's undersized but he isn't a Nathan Gerbe and he's been playing against competition who are bigger than him his whole life. Being a July b-day also means he could be more likely to grow.

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2 hours ago, SMantzas said:

I wouldn't be mad at any of Jost, Keller or Brown btu I think Keller is my BPA at that spot. His numbers are absurdly good. Like some of the best the USNDP has seen...ever. Sure, he's undersized but he isn't a Nathan Gerbe and he's been playing against competition who are bigger than him his whole life. Being a July b-day also means he could be more likely to grow.

Yeah, Keller is the player I want, and might give up a third to move up one or two spots if that what it takes to make sure we get him.  He's more or less the same size as Marner and probably had better numbers in his draft year adjusting for league strength, etc.. 

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I like Keller's skill level a lot, but I think he has more bust potential than Jost although I can see the arguments for him being the more rewarding selection. If Jost can be had that's who I'm pretty much set on.  We could easily have to make a choice between the two if 4-10 see more than 2 D-Men taken. 

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59 minutes ago, ghdi said:

I like Keller's skill level a lot, but I think he has more bust potential than Jost although I can see the arguments for him being the more rewarding selection. If Jost can be had that's who I'm pretty much set on.  We could easily have to make a choice between the two if 4-10 see more than 2 D-Men taken. 

I guess one way to split the difference would be to find out how big/small Keller really is at the combine.  If he's really closer to 5'8 or 5'9, then maybe you go the safe route and pick the guy who puts up the big numbers somewhere but is not a total shrimp. 

On another note, according to Friedman, the Blue Jackets might consider trading the third pick if they come to the conclusion that Puljujarvi will not be a center at the NHL level and that they really like Logan Brown, who some project to go right around where the Devils are picking.

http://www.todaysslapshot.com/from-the-ice/friedman-explores-possibility-blue-jackets-trading-top-draft-pick/

  Columbus also has cap problems coming up since they have to sign Jones to an extension and they have some pretty crappy contracts on their books -- Hartnell, Clarkson, Tyutin and Jack Johnson with Hartnell, Clarkson and Tyutin having NMCs with the expansion draft coming up.    The Devils obviously have the cap space to take on a crappy contract if it means getting a good cost-controlled player, although it would be dicey for them to take on a defenseman that has NMC and needs to be protected in the expansion draft, because it means you're almost certainly losing Andy Greene -- since Severson, Larsson and D-man X with NMC would be protected. 

So for sh!ts and giggles, No. 11, Second Round Pick, Blackwood for No. 3 Pick and David Clarkson. 

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That would be a total dream come true if the Devils could pull something like that off. Puljujarvi would make the future of this team look much better. Hopefully Shero is investigating it at the very least, but it would certainly take a lot for that pick.

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If it takes bringing back a high cost player I'm for it, just as long as it's not one with a NMC, I don't want to have to expose some youth because we took back someone like Clarkson in a trade. Having said that though, having Zacha and Puljujarvi as our two main pieces up front moving forward would be huge.

Also, not really Devils related but just something to think about, keep a close eye on the Stamkos negotiations before the draft, if Toronto firmly believes they can land Stamkos I can see them possibly taking Laine at 1st instead of Matthews, figure that makes their lineup for the next 4-5 years look like this:

Laine - Stamkos - Marner

JVR - Kadri - Nylander

??? - Bozak - Kapanen

That would be a deadly top 6, just plug in a competent 3rd line LW and that's a phenomenal Top 9 with that caliber of wingers.

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Having never seen any of them play, Jost, Keller and Brown all seem like good picks.  It will also be interesting if someone like Chychurun starts to fall.  

Regarding the Leafs, I think it would be huge mistake to pass on the Center that projects as another Tavares.   They can always pawn Kadri off for another winger if necessary. 

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25 minutes ago, Jerzey said:

I know Lou doesn't have the same control over the leafs as he did here but I can't see him taking anything but the American born #1 projected center.

Lou never really controlled the draft in that he almost always deferred to Conte's draft board, except there would be adjustments for organizaional needs, etc.. Of course he never had the first overall pick before either.  

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On 5/27/2016 at 4:50 PM, Daniel said:

I guess one way to split the difference would be to find out how big/small Keller really is at the combine.  If he's really closer to 5'8 or 5'9, then maybe you go the safe route and pick the guy who puts up the big numbers somewhere but is not a total shrimp. 

On another note, according to Friedman, the Blue Jackets might consider trading the third pick if they come to the conclusion that Puljujarvi will not be a center at the NHL level and that they really like Logan Brown, who some project to go right around where the Devils are picking.

http://www.todaysslapshot.com/from-the-ice/friedman-explores-possibility-blue-jackets-trading-top-draft-pick/

  Columbus also has cap problems coming up since they have to sign Jones to an extension and they have some pretty crappy contracts on their books -- Hartnell, Clarkson, Tyutin and Jack Johnson with Hartnell, Clarkson and Tyutin having NMCs with the expansion draft coming up.    The Devils obviously have the cap space to take on a crappy contract if it means getting a good cost-controlled player, although it would be dicey for them to take on a defenseman that has NMC and needs to be protected in the expansion draft, because it means you're almost certainly losing Andy Greene -- since Severson, Larsson and D-man X with NMC would be protected. 

So for sh!ts and giggles, No. 11, Second Round Pick, Blackwood for No. 3 Pick and David Clarkson. 

Interesting idea but Clarkson right now is worth at best $1M per year and he's paid $5.25M for the next 4 years.  I don't think the difference between 3 and 11 is $16M.  I also would not include Blackwood in that trade.  But I like where your head is at - I just don't think these sorts of trades are feasible.

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3-2 London.  I guess they had a Leafs fan picking the MVP award since the gave it to Marner over Dvorak.  Dvorak tied a memorial cup record with 8 goals including the game tying and game winning goals in the final.  Tkachuk stood out to me the most tonight for London.  Also, their goalie Parsons was outstanding.  

On a side note, man has Keith Tkachuk let himself go in retirement.  

Edit: Sorry, I just realized I probably should have put this in the prospect thread 

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23 hours ago, Jerzey said:

I know Lou doesn't have the same control over the leafs as he did here but I can't see him taking anything but the American born #1 projected center.

' ia couple players that caught my eye was Luke Kunin & Max Jones, both projected to go in 1st but later on. They're both highlight reels waiting to happen. Anyway, would Shero move a few back (Boston/Carolina)in exchange  for a decent roster player/prospect and either/both these guys still be there? Both have speed & skills.

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Personally, I hate when we trade down.  It kind of feels like the scouts aren't really sold on anyone at that draft position and we end up settling on guys like Tedenby or Corrente.   I realize this is a different management group but did anything ever come of the extra picks we got moving down in those trades?   

I would love to see Nylander fall but past that I hope we just stay put and take one of Keller/Jost.  

 

 

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On 5/29/2016 at 11:23 AM, Triumph said:

Interesting idea but Clarkson right now is worth at best $1M per year and he's paid $5.25M for the next 4 years.  I don't think the difference between 3 and 11 is $16M.  I also would not include Blackwood in that trade.  But I like where your head is at - I just don't think these sorts of trades are feasible.

It's not just the money, which will be a problem for Columbus when it comes time to extending Seth Jones, it's also the fact that Clarkson, and a bunch of other not-so-good players on Columbus, have NMCs.  If Columbus can't manage to get rid of any of those NMCs and assuming teams are obligated to use their allotted spots on players with NMCs, Columbus is going to be losing a very good player in the expansion draft.  It could very well be someone as valuable as Boone Jenner or Ryan Murray.  If it comes to pass that there are two expansion teams, Columbus could be in even deeper water.  I imagine that we're one of those teams that Clarkson would waive his NMC for.

And if there is a prospect that needs to be traded in this or any other deal, I think it would have to be Blackwood.  Trading a forward prospect that any team wants would essentially be a zero sum proposition.  There isn't anything on defense that other teams would want.  So by default, Blackwood is really the most attractive player the Devils could reasonably afford to part with. 

EDIT:  Reading closer, sounds like you might be saying that it isn't worth it from the Devils standpoint.  I'm not big into quantifying what a transaction is worth in salary cap terms when you don't figure to be a cap team for the foreseeable future. 

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2 hours ago, Daniel said:

It's not just the money, which will be a problem for Columbus when it comes time to extending Seth Jones, it's also the fact that Clarkson, and a bunch of other not-so-good players on Columbus, have NMCs.  If Columbus can't manage to get rid of any of those NMCs and assuming teams are obligated to use their allotted spots on players with NMCs, Columbus is going to be losing a very good player in the expansion draft.  It could very well be someone as valuable as Boone Jenner or Ryan Murray.  If it comes to pass that there are two expansion teams, Columbus could be in even deeper water.  I imagine that we're one of those teams that Clarkson would waive his NMC for.

And if there is a prospect that needs to be traded in this or any other deal, I think it would have to be Blackwood.  Trading a forward prospect that any team wants would essentially be a zero sum proposition.  There isn't anything on defense that other teams would want.  So by default, Blackwood is really the most attractive player the Devils could reasonably afford to part with. 

EDIT:  Reading closer, sounds like you might be saying that it isn't worth it from the Devils standpoint.  I'm not big into quantifying what a transaction is worth in salary cap terms when you don't figure to be a cap team for the foreseeable future. 

Adding a $5M dead weight contract is going to get the Devils near the cap in a hurry, and if the Devils hope to be good soon, they also have to hope to be a cap team soon.  It doesn't make sense for them to do this.

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NHL.com's mock drafts are in. Morreale has us taking Logan Brown at 11 and Kimelman has us taking Michael McLeod at 11.

https://www.nhl.com/news/mike-g-morreales-2016-nhl-mock-draft/c-280829498

https://www.nhl.com/news/adam-kimelmans-2016-nhl-mock-draft/c-280828612?tid=277764372

I'm trying not to get too attached to anyone this year as last year I really wanted us to take Barzal, but I can't help but really wanting us to sign Keller. I know I'm just setting myself up for disappointment again. Both NHL.com guys have Keller taken by the Canes two spots after us.

That being said, I wouldn't be too upset if we draft Brown. I guess I just don't know too much about McLeod.

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