NJDevs4978 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 @Joelsherman1: Confirmed Walker to #Mets pending medical review, small other matters Hopefully these rumors are true since most of the other rumors this offseason have been red herrings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted December 9, 2015 Author Share Posted December 9, 2015 I think this trade will do Niese some good. He never struck me as a NY guy. Wilted and collapsed under pressure many a time...being back in the midwest and closer to his home in Ohio will be just what the doctor ordered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 I think this trade will do Niese some good. He never struck me as a NY guy. Wilted and collapsed under pressure many a time...being back in the midwest and closer to his home in Ohio will be just what the doctor ordered. Plus that pitching coach has been very good, turned Liriano into a consistent ace and got productive seasons from journeymen like Vance Worley, even Melancon was basically nothing before going there. I could see Niese having a fine season But still like the trade, especially with a hidden benefit - Walker 'could' play third, albeit he hasn't done it in a while (since he was in the minors, but he had extensive time in the minors at thrid). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 And just as I and others suspected Marc Carig @MarcCarig 9m9 minutes ago With Niese moved, I'm told the Mets have now stepped up their efforts to re-sign, wait for it, BARTOLO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capo Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 This was not a good trade. I'm sure CR is going to say I'm being negative buy this doesn't address a need. The Mets have players that play second base. They should have cleared Niese's salary to make room for a need. Now, their going after Colon? For how much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted December 9, 2015 Author Share Posted December 9, 2015 (edited) This was not a good trade. I'm sure CR is going to say I'm being negative buy this doesn't address a need. The Mets have players that play second base. They should have cleared Niese's salary to make room for a need. Now, their going after Colon? For how much? The Mets are a now team. Is Dilson ready to be a playoff/WS 2nd basemen? Is Flores? No and no. Bartolo for another year is fine by me. I guarantee another 200 innings and 14 wins from him. Nobody knows how he keeps doing it...but he does. Edited December 9, 2015 by '7' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 (edited) Yeah for this year Walker > Dilson and you're not blocking Dilson long-term the way you would have with Zobrist or even Murphy. Unfortunately since there aren't really too many SS upgrades available we might have to deal with another year of Flores/Tejada at short so Flores isn't really a 2B option atm either. Plus moneywise they were about to give $15 million per to Zobrist, now they just switched off $9 million contracts (Niese/Walker) so theoretically they still have that $15 million if they want to use it. Some of it's going to Colon obviously but you'd like to think they'll still have something left for upgrades elsewhere. Edited December 9, 2015 by NJDevs4978 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capo Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 (edited) I wanted to get rid of Niese for a bag of balls. Niese gone, I'm fine with. Bringing back a 10 million dollar contract, no. I'd way rather save that money put it together with what I was going to give Zobrist and get me a bigger fish. Edited December 9, 2015 by capo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capo Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Now, we're going to go out and pay Colon, too? I love what Bart can do but now there's more cash we don't have. Right now the Mets have gotten markedly worse and the Cubs have gotten markedly better and are still spending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 (edited) What 'big fish' are the Mets getting? Cespedes/Heyward? Heyward's a corner outfielder and Cespedes well we know the deal with him, while he 'can' play CF he's not all that great at it. If they're not going to re-sign Cespedes (which they probably won't) they should at least get a pen upgrade from having Reed/Robles be the 7th-8th inning and fortify the bench. Edited December 9, 2015 by NJDevs4978 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capo Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 What 'big fish' are the Mets getting? Cespedes/Heyward? Heyward's a corner outfielder and Cespedes well we know the deal with him, while he 'can' play CF he's not all that great at it. If they're not going to re-sign Cespedes (which they probably won't) they should at least get a pen upgrade from having Reed/Robles be the 7th-8th inning and fortify the bench. So, where are the runs going to come from? Wright's a bigger question mark than Flores and Duda is freaking garbage. I suppose if they get a leadoff guy they drop Granderson down but a repeat performance from him is not a guarantee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 So, where are the runs going to come from? Wright's a bigger question mark than Flores and Duda is freaking garbage. I suppose if they get a leadoff guy they drop Granderson down but a repeat performance from him is not a guarantee. Well to be fair the Royals just proved you don't need big boppers to win...they had one (Morales) who wasn't even a factor in the World Series. The Giants didn't really have 30+ HR guys either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 (edited) Adam Rubin @AdamRubinESPN 1m1 minute ago Mets likely just going free-agent route rest of way. Could use backup infielder, lefty-hitting CF, setup man. Probably only 1-year deals. Well they ain't getting any big fish with that mentality Edited December 9, 2015 by NJDevs4978 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capo Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Well to be fair the Royals just proved you don't need big boppers to win...they had one (Morales) who wasn't even a factor in the World Series. The Giants didn't really have 30+ HR guys either. They also didn't sit back and try and walk their way and play station to station. The swung the sticks and had timely hits. Plus, I would consider Gordon a power threat which proved to be fruitful for them in the series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 This was not a good trade. I'm sure CR is going to say I'm being negative buy this doesn't address a need. The Mets have players that play second base. They should have cleared Niese's salary to make room for a need. Now, their going after Colon? For how much? This trade tells you a couple of things: 1) The Mets think Herrera could still be their second baseman of the future, but probably not in 2016. 2) They really didn't want to sign Murph long-term to a semi-costly contract. 3) This was a chance for the Mets to get Niese's remaining dollars off their books. I don't blame them for taking the opportunity. This was a short-term deal that made some sense. It's not sexy, but I'm on board with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Guess they are addressing SS after all Chris Cotillo @ChrisCotillo 5m5 minutes ago Source: Mets are finalizing a deal with Asdrubal Cabrera. Chris Cotillo @ChrisCotillo 4m4 minutes ago Cabrera deal with Mets expected to be for 2 years with a team option. Kind of makes tendering Tejada a little bizarre, but I guess Flores becomes the primary utility guy off the bench now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Jim Duquette @Jim_Duquette 2m2 minutes ago ACab deal looks like it's 2 years at 8.25 per. Plus a 2 mil b/o. Total dollars of 18.5 mil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted December 10, 2015 Author Share Posted December 10, 2015 Decent pickup, known commodity at SS. Don't know what kind of fielder he is but it's pretty damn hard to be worse in the field than Flores. Cabrera used to be a good OBP guy but has since tailed off (but again...better than Flores) Ok with this signing. Unspectacular but solid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capo Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 The NYM continue to be KMART shoppers. If Heyward signs with the Cubs we're fvcked. The Cubs were a damn good team last year... our pitching can't do it alone and playing station to station baseball doesn't get it done when you're in a close game. They absolutely need Cespedes now. Or else everyone will be crying all year about how this team needs a big bat and now the only thing left to trade is one of your aces. This is an NY team for Christ's sakes. Get the fvcking guy you need, damn it. Stop with these bullsh!t mediocre used to be good better than we have types. Cause the truth is neither of these guys are better than Flores. On par maybe, better... no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted December 10, 2015 Author Share Posted December 10, 2015 cf Curtis Granderson 3b David Wright 1b Lucas Duda 2b Neil Walker c Travis d'Arnaud lf Michael Conforto ss Asdrubel Cabrera rf Michael Cuddyer pitcher That is not a pedestrian lineup. Yes it is missing a big bopper that can come in and just carry a team for 3 weeks or so (Cespedes) but top to bottom that lineup is pretty sturdy. If they don't add another bat I'd still be fairly content heading into the season that our great pitching staff and slightly above average lineup will be enough to take this team to another division title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 cf Curtis Granderson 3b David Wright 1b Lucas Duda 2b Neil Walker c Travis d'Arnaud lf Michael Conforto ss Asdrubel Cabrera rf Michael Cuddyer pitcher That is not a pedestrian lineup. Yes it is missing a big bopper that can come in and just carry a team for 3 weeks or so (Cespedes) but top to bottom that lineup is pretty sturdy. If they don't add another bat I'd still be fairly content heading into the season that our great pitching staff and slightly above average lineup will be enough to take this team to another division title. I think they still need a couple more bench guys (including a CF option) and at least one or two significant upgrades in the pen if those are going to be their big offensive upgrades, I agree the lineup is not bad and certainly better than what they had half of last season though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 It's an iffy lineup...could be pretty good or a bit shaky. There's guys who are injury-prone in there, and there's wild cards for sure. And does Grandy really become the CF? Lagares will get a shot to reclaim that job I would think. Not so sure Cuddyer (who couldn't have sucked much more last season) gets to be an everyday player unless someone else gets hurt or struggles. Hard no to Cespedes. Just don't think him becoming a high-priced player here is going to work out. I'm admittedly disappointed that both Duda and Wright will be back next season. I firmly believe one of them has to go. No one wants Wright at this point for the obvious reasons, so I know it would've been Duda to go, but I'll be terrified if the Mets go back to the playoffs and Duda's in the lineup. He's not nearly good enough to perform against playoff pitching staffs. He's not a contending team ballplayer. But it seems like he's the Met first baseman no matter what he does (or doesn't do). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Wonder what happens with Flores now. Does he become a 400 AB bench guy who plays SS, 2B, and 3B? And how does Tejada fit in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capo Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 I wouldn't give Cespedes a mega contract either. But, it looks like the market isn't there for him so maybe he takes a 1 year deal and tries to prove he's worth it again. I'm not going to hang my head on his playoff he was clearly hurting which I'm certain is what led to his defensive struggles. Justin Upton is also still out there... I'm really concerned about what the Cubs are doing. They already were a great team. If they land Heyward or Upton or Cespedes they have to be WS favorites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Mets lost Matt Bowman in rule V to the Cards fwiw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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