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In the early stages of any sport, the game goes through significant changes. Most sports were created organically and underwent formalization before evolving to their modern forms. This was the way the game standardized, this is how the game become popular, and it's the way it's been played for the vast majority of its history.

Can someone who's for all of these changes please tell me why you're so desperate for more scoring?

 

I'm not 'desperate for all these changes'.  I would just like for them to experiment with larger nets.  There's less net to shoot at than there was 20 years ago.  Most shbots on goal have almost no chance of going in.  Many of the goals that do go in are lucky bounces.  I don't watch the NHL to see who can win a lucky bounce competition, I watch to see skilled players executing skilled plays to score goals.  I feel that larger nets would allow for some skill plays that have vanished to return.

 

In addition, fewer goals means fewer lead changes, which means that games are less exciting once someone has scored.  There's enough lead changes that it isn't soccer, but it's closer than people think.

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So since the lockout these are the goals per game stats   (source http://www.quanthockey.com/TS/TS_GoalsPerGame.php)   05-06: 6.05 06-07: 5.75 07-08: 5.44 08-09 5.69 09-10: 5.53 10-11 5.46 1

Goalies pads for the most part have to stay the same if we are going to keep composite sticks.  The much more extreme shots that players are able to create with those sticks necessitates these goalie

The thing about the people who say the net should never be changed well how do you nullify the size advantage goalies have over their counterparts twenty and thirty years ago? And don't say reduce equ

I'm not 'desperate for all these changes'.  I would just like for them to experiment with larger nets.  There's less net to shoot at than there was 20 years ago.  Most shbots on goal have almost no chance of going in.  Many of the goals that do go in are lucky bounces.  I don't watch the NHL to see who can win a lucky bounce competition, I watch to see skilled players executing skilled plays to score goals.  I feel that larger nets would allow for some skill plays that have vanished to return.

 

In addition, fewer goals means fewer lead changes, which means that games are less exciting once someone has scored.  There's enough lead changes that it isn't soccer, but it's closer than people think.

 

 

Why not just reduce the goalie equipment? Something discussed on HNIC. At least there would be more net to shoot at and more chances of shots going through. Honestly, players are much better schooled defensively with systems. The goalies are also much more athletic. Plus you have players going balls blocking shots and getting in passing and shooting lanes. Sometimes, the offenses don't move the puck quick enough. Players are so reluctant to shoot due to worrying over it getting blocked and causing a scoring chance the other way. It's a much different game.

 

The other thing is they have continued to invent new rules to increase scoring. The delay of game. The stick infractions even tho whenever I watch the Rangers, they rarely draw penalties. The 3-on-3 roller derby that is now overtime. It's not hockey. But it is end to end and fast and furious. Yet we're still seeing scoreless 5-minute OT's needing a shootout to decide the extra point.

 

I am not in favor of making nets bigger. It would just feel wrong. It would be like changing the point system from 2 to 3. Something which has been debated in these parts plenty. I am more for rewarding teams who win in regulation. But they opted for the ROW which emphasizes regulation and overtime as first tiebreaker. That at least devalues shootout wins. But it's still 2 points. 

 

The idea that bigger nets should be experimented with I'm not ready for yet. I agree that the games aren't the same. That all these rule changes/adjustments have dumbed the game down. The challenge is good at least. Just don't get why it should cost a timeout if you lose. I've never seen a league try so many different things just to attract a new audience. It isn't like that in baseball or basketball. Football (NFL) has become loathsome due to all the penalties. I liked hockey better when it was just hockey without every year a new rule change. 

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MLB lowered the mound. NBA added a shot worth an extra point. Again things change if they need it. To take something off the table just because "that's the way it is"  is absurd and shortsighted.

 

Again, it's not like I refuse any and all changes.  I like plenty of things they changed and other sports do it too.  But no one is talking about the dimensions of the game.  Did the MLB make the bases 80 ft apart so they could have more baserunners?  We can exchange rule changes that one another finds "absurd and shortsighted" all day.  You may find it completely reasonable to experiment with bigger nets.  There's plenty of people that think that it fundamentally changes a game that has been tweaked earlier in its birth but has been played for decades the same way with regards to its dimensions.  Objectively, I don't see enough people wanting the change for it to happen, that's why it's absurd to argue for bigger nets.

 

I think something that really gets overlooked is the systems. There's so much structure in the neutral and defensive zone that it really stifles creativity. Combine that with dump and chase then it really becomes something like trench warfare.

 

This is obviously the biggest "problem" in regards to scoring.  No one is talking about it because there's no way to make a rule change to force teams to be structurally unsound.  It's not bad for the sport that defense exists, it's just bad that:

 

 

Many of the goals that do go in are lucky bounces.  I don't watch the NHL to see who can win a lucky bounce competition, I watch to see skilled players executing skilled plays to score goals.

 

 I think this is the biggest reason why everyone is talking about more scoring.  It's not about the goals being higher, it's about how those goals are scored.  When a game ends 3-2 and it ends with Ovechkin clearly sniping a corner, it is so much better than the puck pinballing around 4 guys in front of the net to magically go 5 hole and you need 5 replays to see if it goes over the line and another 10 to see what player touched it last.

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Why don't we just do away with the goalie position. Empty nets for everyone! Hockey is hockey, not basketball, football, or baseball. The NHL needs to get out of this mentality that the only reason people watch hockey is because of offense. Saying goalies are bigger is one reason scoring is down. However, if you want to add scoring we should just outlaw the butterfly position as well.

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Why don't we just do away with the goalie position. Empty nets for everyone! Hockey is hockey, not basketball, football, or baseball. The NHL needs to get out of this mentality that the only reason people watch hockey is because of offense. Saying goalies are bigger is one reason scoring is down. However, if you want to add scoring we should just outlaw the butterfly position as well.

There used to be a rule the goalie can't leave a standing position. Supporting the butterfly style of goaltending means you're in support of radical rule changes. :lol: jk

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