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As i say on the other post, my family and myself are safe...

But it's pure nightmare around

I Have friends inside the live show Avenue... Some of them were lucky enough to go on the roof. Some of them aren't answering

And just inside the building, 100 deaths... Plus 60 in' the city

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On 11/14/2015 at 7:41 AM, Devlin said:

Terrorism needs to be dealt with like a cancer, you go after it and kill it...not attempt to contain it and treat it.

This is a ridiculous statement. There is no cure for cancer. Even those who survive are never fully cured. It can come back and a lot of the time it does. I don't disagree with your sentiment, since clearly something needs to be done, but terrorism is not like a cancer and its a terrible analogy to make. It is impossible to "kill" terrorism. You cut off one head and create another one at the same time.  Its a pattern that has continually repeated itself since 9/11. This is an enemy that hides among us (us meaning westerners). Anyone with a grudge can claim I DID IT FOR ISIS and we won't know it till afterwards.

My personal stance is GTFO of the Middle East and get off of oil ASAP so we dont need to be allied to completely ridiculous regimes like Saudi. Let them have the deserts. 

 

18 hours ago, DevsMan84 said:

 

These attacks are making it more and more certain Trump will be elected, which may not be a bad thing at all since he seems to be the only "politician" who is calling these attacks for what they are.

No, its the opposite. This is not your garden variety "Republican" (who was a liberal for 85% of his life), who many in his own party cannot stand and will not vote for in the first place. Go read Red State. The script is flipped.  Terrorist attacks are actually proving to scare people to Hillary simply because Trump is such a neophyte and other than platitudes and ideas that are either unconstitutional or completely ridiculous (usually both), he has nothing concrete.  Her #s have gone up against Trump each and every time theres an attack. i.e. Orlando, Brussels, and it will happen again with Nice. There's a reason why states like Georgia, Arizona, and even Utah of all places, that are regularly red as of late are competitive now. Hillary is the most hawkish Democrat since Johnson and probably since Truman (post-WWII). 

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On 7/15/2016 at 10:45 PM, ghdi said:

This is not your garden variety "Republican" (who was a liberal for 85% of his life), who many in his own party cannot stand and will not vote for in the first place. Go read Red State. The script is flipped.  Terrorist attacks are actually proving to scare people to Hillary simply because Trump is such a neophyte and other than platitudes and ideas that are either unconstitutional or completely ridiculous (usually both), he has nothing concrete.  Her #s have gone up against Trump each and every time theres an attack. i.e. Orlando, Brussels, and it will happen again with Nice. There's a reason why states like Georgia, Arizona, and even Utah of all places, that are regularly red as of late are competitive now. Hillary is the most hawkish Democrat since Johnson and probably since Truman (post-WWII). 

I disagree with almost all of this, and would recommend not reading Red State or at least keeping it in the front of your mind that Red State's Erick Erickson hates Donald Trump as much as the Salons and Slates of the online publishing world. Yes, Hillary Clinton is hawkish in the Middle East, but she also is rolling out the red carpet for Muslim refugees. The notion that Hillary Clinton politically benefits from Islamic terrorism is counterintuitive ... I don't see how you twist yourself into that pretzel. There's no way Georgia is in play for her.

Regarding France, I'd like to think their people are fed up with this and will propel Marine Le Pen's party into power, but I have some serious doubts about that. Some Frenchmen, I believe, are very angry, but many others have accepted Islamic violence as part of life in the country. I'd like to hear Moustic's opinion.

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10 hours ago, Jerrydevil said:

I disagree with almost all of this, and would recommend not reading Red State or at least keeping it in the front of your mind that Red State's Erick Erickson hates Donald Trump as much as the Salons and Slates of the online publishing world. Yes, Hillary Clinton is hawkish in the Middle East, but she also is rolling out the red carpet for Muslim refugees. The notion that Hillary Clinton politically benefits from Islamic terrorism is counterintuitive ... I don't see how you twist yourself into that pretzel. There's no way Georgia is in play for her.

Regarding France, I'd like to think their people are fed up with this and will propel Marine Le Pen's party into power, but I have some serious doubts about that. Some Frenchmen, I believe, are very angry, but many others have accepted Islamic violence as part of life in the country. I'd like to hear Moustic's opinion.

 It's fact Georgia is in play. Will it put it blue? No, I dont think so, but a close election there is a harbinger for Trump underperforming in every solid red state. There's a reason why Perdue is in a bind practically BEGGING people to vote Trump, and the black population is coalesced around Hillary and their GOTV push is better than even Obama's. Trump won only 9% of registered voters in the primaries to win the nomination. That's a losing nominee historically, especially with someone as divisive as Trump. And besides, Hillary doesn't need Georgia to win. Missouri and Arizona are also in play giving her even more opportunities. Trump's got to coalesce the base, which is likely impossible, and he's got to win all 3 of FL, OH, and PA + take back the states Obama turned blue in 08 that Romney didnt get back. It's not going to happen. I'll gladly put $500 on Hillary trouncing Trump (anyone is welcome to take this bet lol). Its not even going to be close. 

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12 minutes ago, ghdi said:

 It's fact Georgia is in play. Will it put it blue? No, I dont think so, but a close election there is a harbinger for Trump underperforming in every solid red state. There's a reason why Perdue is in a bind practically BEGGING people to vote Trump, and the black population is coalesced around Hillary and their GOTV push is better than even Obama's. Trump won only 9% of registered voters in the primaries to win the nomination. That's a losing nominee historically, especially with someone as divisive as Trump. And besides, Hillary doesn't need Georgia to win. Missouri and Arizona are also in play giving her even more opportunities. Trump's got to coalesce the base, which is likely impossible, and he's got to win all 3 of FL, OH, and PA + take back the states Obama turned blue in 08 that Romney didnt get back. It's not going to happen. I'll gladly put $500 on Hillary trouncing Trump (anyone is welcome to take this bet lol). Its not even going to be close. 

Whether Hillary ultimately wins or not doesn't have anything to do with your thesis, that somehow she's the one you vote for when you're pissed off about some terrorist attack somewhere in the world.  The exception might be attacks in the US where a gun is used like Orlando, which Hillary and her allies in the press turned into a gun control issue.  But of course, gun control is complete loser issue for Democrats in a Presidential election.   

As for predictions, and coming from someone who loathes both candidates more than any other that has managed to secure a party nomination in my lifetime, I agree that Hillary will probably win, but, of course, I'm one of those people that thought Trump had no shot at the Republican nomination in the first place, so what do I (or gurus like Nate Silver) really know.   

And Jerry, so long as France has that run-off system, Le Pen will never win the Presidency. 

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6 hours ago, DevsMan84 said:

The same globalists who thought Brexit would never happen are the same ones who think Trump will never win.

Is that you Alex Jones? lol keep holding that line.

Brexit is not a barometer for a US election. The state of California + New York combined has more registered voters than the entire Brexit voting bloc. Brexit is also not a vote for leadership.

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On 18/07/2016 at 10:19 AM, Jerrydevil said:


Regarding France, I'd like to think their people are fed up with this and will propel Marine Le Pen's party into power, but I have some serious doubts about that. Some Frenchmen, I believe, are very angry, but many others have accepted Islamic violence as part of life in the country. I'd like to hear Moustic's opinion.

I will do my best to stay away from discussion about US politics as i'm not fully aware of everything that happen there...  I just have piece there and there... I will only say one thing : I wouldn't be in your shoes to pick up between trump or hillary. That's for sure. But enough about this topic.

You wanna my opinion about france politics and how is it feel there. I will gave at least two point of view... and i'm not sure you would like my opinion about it. 

First of all, despite everything that happen since few years (but we already had a wave of attack around 1995) (for other reasons) I have no problem with Muslims people. The old saying "that i have lot of muslims friends" is in fact true. I do have lot of muslims friends. They are as different of these fvckin' butcher that kills in my country that Aliens can be different from Japanese... Ok. Bad example. Japaneses are Aliens. Ok... anyway. They are the first opposant to terrorism... coz behind the " bad press " a$$holes are doing to their religion... they are the first in line in "civil repression" and racism. My friends haven't done a sh!t, work their ass off to my side, pay the same taxes, love france as much as i do ... and because some jerk are doing their own vendetta versus humanity and common sense, my friends are victim of racism, and so many heartbreaking attitude... by people i can't really blame. Of course i know it's tough to realise that we are doing the terrorist game by building wall between us. But that's what happen.

Yes, There are lot of people that will vote for fascist next election. That's obvious. Our other politics are jackass, tiny little human with zero brains, guilty of so many fraud but still ready to go for election, poor human soul with no guts... Oh don't get me wrong, fascist like Le Pen are ten thousand worse but for people that don't think and don't remember history books, they can think " hey, they haven't be on power yet, let's see if they can do better".

They won't do better. They will do the exact opposite. They will dig deeper in the hole we are... they have absolutely NO program to reign. They just a force to win the election not to deal with power for 5 years after. And let's be clear... France is a weird country. I admit. We are often on strike. Can't deny this... We are sometimes arrogant, we are often grumpy, not always say sorry, we think that we are better at so vain things (i had hard time typing this.. food isn't vain but hey.. for my point i will accept saying that) (but you won't me see this twice) (food is awesome) (and ours is better .. deal with it !) (ok let's move on) ... and yes, there is enough people in France that are scared enough to do the most stupid things since the german mistake in 1933 and put fascist in power. But that will be chaos... Coz french are also revolting people, french will go on something like civil war because of that. I know it sounds overreacting, but i'm sure it will be something like that. 

My speech there isn't constructed, especially with my broken english (sorry about that) (see..french can say sorry !) (you silly yankee) (ahem... ) 

Yes, people are scared. People turn into xenophobia (phobia... fear....). I still believe in education, in unity... History have prove that wave of obscurantism strike europe (and World) all over the century. This one is the same as usual... sometimes we deal it with war and pain (Crusade, WW2), sometimes we deal it with other options (capitalism with creation of Europe state with Germany, education with program of exchange , etc etc... ) Yes, people want create schism in our civilisation (of course, they are attacking france because there are lot of muslims... by creating this fear, they are putting society against each other and create more radicalism (from fascist and from young muslim that don't understand why they are victim of racism when they haven't done sh!t) ... the sin circle ... 

If we stand united, they lose. And it's fvckin' tough to stay united in these cloud days.. I admit. 

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lol at "fascists"  The same word being thrown around like candy by bleeding-heart globalist Europeans who are accepting more and more frequent terror attacks in their country and hope they can pray and hashtag it away.

Enjoy your seemingly weekly terror attacks these days.  Maybe one day the terrorists will care what hastags you use and what colors you drape your profile pic on social media after each attach and suddenly stop.  I wouldn't bet on it, but I do hope so for your sake.

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9 hours ago, ghdi said:

Is that you Alex Jones? lol keep holding that line.

Brexit is not a barometer for a US election. The state of California + New York combined has more registered voters than the entire Brexit voting bloc. Brexit is also not a vote for leadership.

Never said it was a barometer.  What I am saying is that the same polls on even the same day of the Brexit vote that was indicating that the remain vote was going to win were wrong.  Whose to say that is the case over here?  There is a large segment of our population who, like many who voted leave in the UK, who don't answer these pollsters questions honestly due to a sort of Shy Tory Factor, but when they get into the booth anything can happen.

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18 hours ago, ghdi said:

 It's fact Georgia is in play. Will it put it blue? No, I dont think so, but a close election there is a harbinger for Trump underperforming in every solid red state. There's a reason why Perdue is in a bind practically BEGGING people to vote Trump, and the black population is coalesced around Hillary and their GOTV push is better than even Obama's. Trump won only 9% of registered voters in the primaries to win the nomination. That's a losing nominee historically, especially with someone as divisive as Trump. And besides, Hillary doesn't need Georgia to win. Missouri and Arizona are also in play giving her even more opportunities. Trump's got to coalesce the base, which is likely impossible, and he's got to win all 3 of FL, OH, and PA + take back the states Obama turned blue in 08 that Romney didnt get back. It's not going to happen. I'll gladly put $500 on Hillary trouncing Trump (anyone is welcome to take this bet lol). Its not even going to be close. 

Many white voters in Georgia may not care for Trump but most are not voting Democrat. THAT I would bet on. Let's see what happens. The polling in the swing states these days shows promising things for Trump.

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Moustic, thank you for your response. I respect your opinion that the National Front won't be able to govern. I don't believe that the political system in place is capable of solving France's problem. A system that treats all people equally won't work. There are many peaceful Muslims who are good citizens. But the Muslims who kill for Allah are weakening France and tearing at the fabric of the country. What to do? Is deporting Muslims, even the good ones, fair? No, it isn't fair. But France's survival should take precedent. And that is why many people will turn to fascism ... because it is the only way forward, in my opinion.

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1 hour ago, DevsMan84 said:

lol at "fascists"  The same word being thrown around like candy by bleeding-heart globalist Europeans who are accepting more and more frequent terror attacks in their country and hope they can pray and hashtag it away.

Enjoy your seemingly weekly terror attacks these days.  Maybe one day the terrorists will care what hastags you use and what colors you drape your profile pic on social media after each attach and suddenly stop.  I wouldn't bet on it, but I do hope so for your sake.

It's cute that you know better ... 
I don't gave a sh!t about social media reaction and "short attention of the mass" (yes, people did put french flag on their facebook profil, i didn't... and i didn't put iraki one too... even if they "deserve" the same amount of attention as we had). France, Irak, London, Madrid, so many place in Africa i can't count, Syria... oh.. and USA too. We are the same target.

And i will feel better if you don't "hope" anything for me and my people.. We have enough full of hate people here... It's ok, you can keep yours. I'm sure you will put in good use in your own life (like, fighting the crime with your bare hand and destroy your enemy... go fight for "our frrrreeeeedom" ) 

Anyway... Yes, front national are fascist. It's not being socialist, communist, hippie or whatever else to say that. They are. 
I know you didn't study that much history of Europe (i guess you skip to jump to the part where " hey ! without us, you would speak german ") but we tend to know our fascist. Fascist are back in strenght. And it has nothing to do with Muslims. They were already strong before terrorism... they were strong with the economy being that weak. our society need target, need guilty people... in 33 it was jews and gypsie (muslims were ally.. because jew were soooooo bad). It's not political correct to be that (ok, gypsie... we are still allowed to hate it's ok). Now it's muslim people that are the plague. 

And i will answer to JerryDevil there too (who is way more respectful... even if i strongly disagree with him.. but it's fine, we can discuss no matter what) (i guess)

What will be the answer ? DevsMan84 will be the kind to bring the war to them right ? It was such a success after 2011. 
But JerryDevil, you can be serious about talking deportation. "France's Survival" ? There will be no more "France" with such behavior. You don't wanna hear about my ethical point of view and see me as a lefty that is smoking pot and believe in fairy tell ? Ok fine, let's not talk about ethical atrocity behind deportation (there would be a thousand things to say about that btw). No ok, let's be technical. What's a true French ? A catholic ? Try again... we piss on religion on a regular basis. A white ? Yeah let's talk about our ten thousand colonies and mixed society we create with that. Oh... ok.. a non muslim ? Now that's hilarious. I will lost half of my co worker, my doctor, the guy that prepare food for my son at school, the amazing people that make my bread every sunday (their bread kills !) ... should i keep going ? Oh and if i may look myself in the mirror... all the people that take the job that " such awesome true french" will not take. (no one here complain that they are steeeaaaaliiing our job...)

Is our system perfect ? Nop... probably not. Will i fight to my death to keep france being france ? hell yeah. You see "equality" as a bad thing... it's funny. You know, even here, the one who work the more and the best, receive the most. I dunno how you believe it's working here... but if it's not enough, it's not enough equal for everyone. That's why there are so many problem with racism. if we were treatning the same way each one of us here, there will be no reason to go on war with civil people with a truck or with a bomb. Unbalanced help start with economy failure, not love in a religion. 

I understand that you may have your view about our situation and "as usual" you sometimes got easy answer to difficult problem. Bombing a whole region is the equivalent at deportation of one part of the society... It can't work. Never has, never will (i guess)

I'm not trying to convince you that our way is better . I just can't let you say wrong thing (from my point of view)

Oh and don't get me wrong, we are in big pile of sh!t and I hate every single religion to my bones.

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