eaglejelly Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 1 hour ago, Jerrydevil said: A system that treats all people equally won't work. People like you scare the sh!t out of me. May you always be in the minority with your views 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moustic Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 31 minutes ago, eaglejelly said: People like you scare the sh!t out of me. May you always be in the minority with your views Amen to that (in a non Christian way : ) ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 (edited) 52 minutes ago, moustic said: It's cute that you know better ... I don't gave a sh!t about social media reaction and "short attention of the mass" (yes, people did put french flag on their facebook profil, i didn't... and i didn't put iraki one too... even if they "deserve" the same amount of attention as we had). France, Irak, London, Madrid, so many place in Africa i can't count, Syria... oh.. and USA too. We are the same target. And i will feel better if you don't "hope" anything for me and my people.. We have enough full of hate people here... It's ok, you can keep yours. I'm sure you will put in good use in your own life (like, fighting the crime with your bare hand and destroy your enemy... go fight for "our frrrreeeeedom" ) Anyway... Yes, front national are fascist. It's not being socialist, communist, hippie or whatever else to say that. They are. I know you didn't study that much history of Europe (i guess you skip to jump to the part where " hey ! without us, you would speak german ") but we tend to know our fascist. Fascist are back in strenght. And it has nothing to do with Muslims. They were already strong before terrorism... they were strong with the economy being that weak. our society need target, need guilty people... in 33 it was jews and gypsie (muslims were ally.. because jew were soooooo bad). It's not political correct to be that (ok, gypsie... we are still allowed to hate it's ok). Now it's muslim people that are the plague. And i will answer to JerryDevil there too (who is way more respectful... even if i strongly disagree with him.. but it's fine, we can discuss no matter what) (i guess) What will be the answer ? DevsMan84 will be the kind to bring the war to them right ? It was such a success after 2011. But JerryDevil, you can be serious about talking deportation. "France's Survival" ? There will be no more "France" with such behavior. You don't wanna hear about my ethical point of view and see me as a lefty that is smoking pot and believe in fairy tell ? Ok fine, let's not talk about ethical atrocity behind deportation (there would be a thousand things to say about that btw). No ok, let's be technical. What's a true French ? A catholic ? Try again... we piss on religion on a regular basis. A white ? Yeah let's talk about our ten thousand colonies and mixed society we create with that. Oh... ok.. a non muslim ? Now that's hilarious. I will lost half of my co worker, my doctor, the guy that prepare food for my son at school, the amazing people that make my bread every sunday (their bread kills !) ... should i keep going ? Oh and if i may look myself in the mirror... all the people that take the job that " such awesome true french" will not take. (no one here complain that they are steeeaaaaliiing our job...) Is our system perfect ? Nop... probably not. Will i fight to my death to keep france being france ? hell yeah. You see "equality" as a bad thing... it's funny. You know, even here, the one who work the more and the best, receive the most. I dunno how you believe it's working here... but if it's not enough, it's not enough equal for everyone. That's why there are so many problem with racism. if we were treatning the same way each one of us here, there will be no reason to go on war with civil people with a truck or with a bomb. Unbalanced help start with economy failure, not love in a religion. I understand that you may have your view about our situation and "as usual" you sometimes got easy answer to difficult problem. Bombing a whole region is the equivalent at deportation of one part of the society... It can't work. Never has, never will (i guess) I'm not trying to convince you that our way is better . I just can't let you say wrong thing (from my point of view) Oh and don't get me wrong, we are in big pile of sh!t and I hate every single religion to my bones. lol I have my degree in history, so I know a few things. The fascist word is thrown about like candy over in Europe. I follow what's going on there and while I do not pretend I know all the ins and outs of the political happenings of Europe or France in particular, the fact that these events happening and even your Prime Minister is telling your people to essentially "get used to it" is very alarming and disturbing. Yet, if I was to trust your word on the general feelings of the French people, then I feel horrified to where this will eventually lead to. Just yesterday a 17-year old Afghan "refugee" slashed and stabbed over a dozen people on a train in Germany. Also during the Nice attacks a report came out that Germany was suppressing the numbers of sexual assault reports filed in Germany against migrants/refugees over this past New Year's. Would you rather be politically correct or dead at this point? France has an interesting history, unfortunately if the last 100 or so years of French history is any indication of their future, I am deeply worried for them. Edit: BTW the highlighted/bold part is funny. Only the French could wax poetically forever about preserving freedoms and liberty yet barely lift a finger to fight for it. Edited July 19, 2016 by DevsMan84 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 49 minutes ago, eaglejelly said: People like you scare the sh!t out of me. May you always be in the minority with your views So when a couple of radical Muslims shot up the Charlie Hebdo office last year, whose treatment of rights were more important? A) The employees who were expressing their freedoms and opinions in a paper that they are not forcing anyone to buy or view or B) The radical Muslims who expressed their outrage as a major sin in their religion was committed by the people at Charlie Hebdo by killing them or C) Both rights were equal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglejelly Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 2 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said: So when a couple of radical Muslims shot up the Charlie Hebdo office last year, whose treatment of rights were more important? A) The employees who were expressing their freedoms and opinions in a paper that they are not forcing anyone to buy or view or B) The radical Muslims who expressed their outrage as a major sin in their religion was committed by the people at Charlie Hebdo by killing them or C) Both rights were equal. Your arguments make no sense. If you have a problem with the concept that all people were created equally, then I cannot respect you or your views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 1 minute ago, eaglejelly said: Your arguments make no sense. If you have a problem with the concept that all people were created equally, then I cannot respect you or your views. Another scenario: A gay pride parade is being held and it is marching through a predominantly Muslim community, where homosexuality is regarded as a sin. Both are upset and say they have their equal rights. Who is I guess you could say more "equaler"? Also the line "all people were created equal" is a nice line, but about a decade later the same men who wrote that also wrote in another document that some men count as 3/5 of a person. Reality is often much different than idyllic words on a paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrydevil Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 1 minute ago, eaglejelly said: If you have a problem with the concept that all people were created equally, then I cannot respect you or your views. We all have to pick a side, and you have chosen yours. I've told you before, I am a great admirer of Germany and its people, and I hope very much that it can shake off the yoke of shame that has been foisted on it since the fall of the Nazis, and fight against the flood of foreign peoples pouring into the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 3 minutes ago, Jerrydevil said: We all have to pick a side, and you have chosen yours. I've told you before, I am a great admirer of Germany and its people, and I hope very much that it can shake off the yoke of shame that has been foisted on it since the fall of the Nazis, and fight against the flood of foreign peoples pouring into the country. I have relatives who live in Germany and talk to them a few times a year. While I know this is anecdotal, they tell me more and more in recent years about Muslims, especially those from Turkey, are making their way into Germany more and more every year. For a variety of reasons beyond race they tell me a lot of Germans are not happy. You just hear it as they are drowned out by the guilt-ridden Germans and younger generation globalists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrydevil Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 1 minute ago, DevsMan84 said: I have relatives who live in Germany and talk to them a few times a year. While I know this is anecdotal, they tell me more and more in recent years about Muslims, especially those from Turkey, are making their way into Germany more and more every year. For a variety of reasons beyond race they tell me a lot of Germans are not happy. You just hear it as they are drowned out by the guilt-ridden Germans and younger generation globalists. I have relatives in Germany, too, and they are firmly in the Angela Merkel/globalist camp. I find it sad, but am encouraged by the growing number of people who are not happy. There may be reasons beyond race (more stress on the social safety net, a greater competition for jobs), but I think race/ethnicity is the biggest factor. I can think of nothing more natural than Germans wanting their country to overwhelmingly be for their people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moustic Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Both of you scare me just as much as I'm scared of the next extremist... And i do have a degree in history.. It appears that it's clearly not the same class that we had. Never mind... Will not change your mind and you will still believe that I'm a teletubbies... It's fine. Preach for hate and wall between "race" all you want.. I'm out of this conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrydevil Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 (edited) Moustic, Those in power right now offer very limited, and unsatisfactory, solutions to the Islam problem. Manuel Valls said the French people have to learn to live with it. I have read others saying that France has not done enough to integrate the Maghrebi. Another idea: pour more money into gathering intelligence on terrorists. This is all foolishness. When will it end? How will it end? Probably not peacefully. My solution, repatriation, is the inevitable solution. It could be done now relatively peacefully, perhaps with incentives. Or, Europe and the US could continue being targets for massacres, and we can wait for the inevitable retaliation, when a mosque is blown to smithereens. When there is war in the streets. If nothing is done, war is inevitable. I think you know it. Edited July 19, 2016 by Jerrydevil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils Pride 26 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Here is the problem with deportation: the percentage of Muslims participating in these acts are low. (Not talking about condoning or non condoning [which is virtually impossible to prove] but actual violent attacks.) If you take people who have acclimated to a society and assimilated as Moustic is speaking of, how do you sort them out? The common response from conservatives is "Too bad, the few ruined it for everyone and you have to leave". If Moustics baker or doctor who have assimilated into FRENCH society get sent away, then they sure as hell will turn to radicalism and ISIS will grow. Terrorism is the most important question to the future and currently we are between a rock and a hard place. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 On 7/19/2016 at 4:51 PM, moustic said: Both of you scare me just as much as I'm scared of the next extremist... And i do have a degree in history.. It appears that it's clearly not the same class that we had. Never mind... Will not change your mind and you will still believe that I'm a teletubbies... It's fine. Preach for hate and wall between "race" all you want.. I'm out of this conversation. While true, I do not think the ideology of our respective professors were much different. College campuses are largely the indoctrination centers of left-wing ideology here in the US. The fact that I made it through without becoming a brainwashed zombie of liberal propaganda is somewhat out of the norm these days. The views you view as extremist can also be called realistic to others who believe that inaction leads to worse things and social utopia does not and cannot exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrydevil Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 1 hour ago, DevsMan84 said: The views you view as extremist can also be called realistic to others who believe that inaction leads to worse things and social utopia does not and cannot exist. Well said. Devils Pride 26, as I wrote earlier in this thread, many Muslims ... most, I imagine ... want to live in peace. It's unfair for them to get caught up in this. But my stance is that Europeans must have a future where their peoples control their homelands. And if things continue like they are, if the refugees keep coming, they won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrydevil Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 "France is no longer France." -- Donald Trump, 7/28/16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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