Jersey (Sweater) Redesign concept site

[Ralliart90]

Adidas stripes would make the jerseys so busy. To many things going on.

Edited April 19, 2016 by Ralliart90

[jagknife]

58 minutes ago, thecoffeecake said:

Oh yea, that makes sense.

While we're on the subject of LV expansion, came across this on reddit so take it with a grain of salt:

 

http://sinbin.vegas/source-las-vegas-nhl-expansion-franchise-confirmed-announcement-in-may/

[thecoffeecake]

29 minutes ago, jagknife said:

While we're on the subject of LV expansion, came across this on reddit so take it with a grain of salt:

 

http://sinbin.vegas/source-las-vegas-nhl-expansion-franchise-confirmed-announcement-in-may/

What a joke if they really do give Vegas a team over Quebec. But like we've been talking about, it's nothing but money. I can't wait to see what a train-wreck this thing turns out to be.

[DevsMan84]

On ‎4‎/‎18‎/‎2016 at 10:34 PM, jagknife said:

I'd be up for them limiting the insane number of teams, but yeah Chicago definitely deserves first crack.

Gotta imagine any Vegas team will strive for black and red for the casino theme

I wouldn't bet on it (yes pun was intended).  I think the NHL and the new Vegas team would like to steer clear as much as possible of the whole gambling motif for fear of that blowing up in their face.  Even Black Knights really don't have much of a gambling theme and is more of a Chess thing.

[MadDog2020]

While we're on the subject of LV expansion, came across this on reddit so take it with a grain of salt:

 

http://sinbin.vegas/source-las-vegas-nhl-expansion-franchise-confirmed-announcement-in-may/

What a joke if they really do give Vegas a team over Quebec. But like we've been talking about, it's nothing but money. I can't wait to see what a train-wreck this thing turns out to be.

I think part of the reason it may be only Vegas is to try and balance the conferences out. I still think someone's eventually relocating to Quebec.

[DevsMan84]

Main reason Quebec is not getting a team is because of the weak Canadian dollar.  Long-term it is for their own good to wait a little bit on that.

Also most likely the NHL would rather put a Western Conference team in and have a team such as Carolina move to Quebec.  This way the conferences get balanced as well.

[slasher72]

On 3/23/2016 at 10:05 PM, Jimmy Leeds said:

Because the green looks great.  Dallas is sporting the best unis right now.

Face it, the Devs switched in '94 because every goddamn team practically went to a some sort of black.

Our unis now are ugly.   But nothing was worse than the Flyers black jerseys

Blame it on UNLV! Hah. They started it all in 1990 with black sneakers, then the Philadelphia Eagles did it, then the Knicks followed and soon after... every team in sports started sporting black into their uni's. The 90's were all about putting black into your getup, or you weren't considered a "badass". Lol. 

I agree with you. Bring back the green/red's into circulation and modernize the current red/black uniform. Lou isn't here anymore to put down his iron fist, so let's get creative....

 

[Jerzey]

With the Nets leaving NJ and Rutgers sharing the same colors as us I think red/black/white has become NJ's official colors. 

[DJ Eco]

21 hours ago, Jerzey said:

With the Nets leaving NJ and Rutgers sharing the same colors as us I think red/black/white has become NJ's official colors. 

Yup, and RBNY (formerly Metrostars, even though it's now a "New York" team) colors are red and black. I see a lot of Devils merch in the hooligan section behind the goals haha like 1 in 4 fans.

[Chuck the Duck]

4 hours ago, DJ Eco said:

Yup, and RBNY (formerly Metrostars, even though it's now a "New York" team) colors are red and black. I see a lot of Devils merch in the hooligan section behind the goals haha like 1 in 4 fans.

NY Red Bulls' team colors are not red and black.  They are red and white, with the Red Bull logo on the front that has some blue in it.  But there is a descent amount of crossover with the fanbases.  Wish they would just call themselves the NJ Red Bulls, especially now that NYCFC is in the league, but that is never going to happen.

 

 

[thecoffeecake]

On 4/19/2016 at 3:33 PM, DevsMan84 said:

Main reason Quebec is not getting a team is because of the weak Canadian dollar.  Long-term it is for their own good to wait a little bit on that.

Also most likely the NHL would rather put a Western Conference team in and have a team such as Carolina move to Quebec.  This way the conferences get balanced as well.

Any currency backed by a largely rentier economy is going to be extremely volatile. If the NHL wants to exploit Canadian markets, it has to deal with it, and it can't back into its shell in regards to its business in Canada every time the currency fluctuates, because it's going to fluctuate a lot. Since Canada's economy is so heavily based on exporting a commodity that has lost more than half its value in, I don't know, two years, to a country (the US) which produces more of that commodity than ever before, the Canadian dollar might not recover tomorrow. So then what, does the NHL pack up and run from Canada like it did in the 90's? Do they wait potentially 10 or 20 or however many years until the Canadian dollar is strong again to put a team in Quebec? The only real impact a weak Canadian dollar has on an expansion effort out of Canada would be the elevated expansion fee, which I don't think Quebecor minds, or else they wouldn't be banging on the door. Any other challenge that is going to come with using a less valuable currency (such as paying salaries in US$ and taking in revenue in Canadian$) is a challenge faced by 7 other Canadian teams right now. If they don't pull the trigger on Quebec, they're going to lose out on 3 or 5 or 10 years of shared revenue from that franchise.

I've said this before and it can't be overstated, expanding around the league's format is incredibly stupid. The league should be structuring itself around the 32+ best potential hockey markets in North America and nothing else. They're going to let a city go without a team because another one that wouldn't be as successful is better suited to balance the conferences? That is a poor business decision.

On 5/12/2016 at 11:48 AM, Jerzey said:

With the Nets leaving NJ and Rutgers sharing the same colors as us I think red/black/white has become NJ's official colors. 

I'm not sure I'd go there. If in the future we were ever lucky enough to bag another top professional team, I think I'd want them to use buff and Jersey blue, our state's official official colors.

On 5/13/2016 at 2:06 PM, Chuck the Duck said:

NY Red Bulls' team colors are not red and black.  They are red and white, with the Red Bull logo on the front that has some blue in it.  But there is a descent amount of crossover with the fanbases.  Wish they would just call themselves the NJ Red Bulls, especially now that NYCFC is in the league, but that is never going to happen.

Dropping the New York identity is only 60% of what they need to do with that team. They need to properly brand that team, which includes dumping NY and the corporate Red Bull brand, before I spend another dollar on it. That team is an absolute embarrassment to American soccer and New Jersey sports.

On 5/12/2016 at 10:22 AM, slasher72 said:

Blame it on UNLV! Hah. They started it all in 1990 with black sneakers, then the Philadelphia Eagles did it, then the Knicks followed and soon after... every team in sports started sporting black into their uni's. The 90's were all about putting black into your getup, or you weren't considered a "badass". Lol. 

I agree with you. Bring back the green/red's into circulation and modernize the current red/black uniform. Lou isn't here anymore to put down his iron fist, so let's get creative....

 

Modernize it, wipe a dirty a$$hole with it, whatever.

I'm so glad this kind of thinking has largely disappeared from sports branding. "Modernized" logos always fall out and give way to simpler traditional designs. Modernizing the Devils brand is literally the last thing that should be done.

[mfitz804]

55 minutes ago, thecoffeecake said:

Modernizing the Devils brand is literally the last thing that should be done.

I agree. There are only a handful of teams that have a long standing, 20+ year design, and each of them should maintain their current designs. 

[vadvlfan]

You know if we had a jersey just like Blackhawks, stripes around the arms, bottom of jersey w/ our logo. with maybe a patch (on each shoulder) w of map of NJ. 

[DJ Eco]

 

On 5/15/2016 at 5:34 PM, thecoffeecake said:

Dropping the New York identity is only 60% of what they need to do with that team. They need to properly brand that team, which includes dumping NY and the corporate Red Bull brand, before I spend another dollar on it. That team is an absolute embarrassment to American soccer and New Jersey sports.

If you want to get hung up on sponsors/team name and jersey designs, then maybe it is. But the reality is that the Metrostars were already an embarrassment to American soccer and New Jersey sports. I know because I was 9 years old when my family started taking us to every single game. We were a joke.

Then Red Bull came in, built us one of the best soccer-specific stadiums in North America. Then they doubled down and built one of the best training facilities in North America. Then they tripled down and invested into building what has become one of the best academy/youth setups in North America. Our youth teams are spitting out major league-caliber players left and right.

I hate "Red Bull", I hate the logo and the company and I hate that it's called "New York", but they have set the bar pretty damn high league-wide: on stadium design, on training facilities, on academies, etc. Calling them an "embarrassment" is entirely off-base. It's a little embarrassing that we are called "New York" and "Red Bulls", but they are not an embarrassment to American soccer and New Jersey sports; they are one of the biggest driving forces in producing the next crop of New Jersey/American-based superstars, more than any other team.

[/off topic]

Edited May 18, 2016 by DJ Eco

[MadDog2020]

 

Dropping the New York identity is only 60% of what they need to do with that team. They need to properly brand that team, which includes dumping NY and the corporate Red Bull brand, before I spend another dollar on it. That team is an absolute embarrassment to American soccer and New Jersey sports.

If you want to get hung up on sponsors/team name and jersey designs, then maybe it is. But the reality is that the Metrostars were already an embarrassment to American soccer and New Jersey sports. I know because I was 9 years old when my family started taking us to every single game. We were a joke.

Then Red Bull came in, built us one of the best soccer-specific stadiums in North America. Then they doubled down and built one of the best training facilities in North America. Then they tripled down and invested into building what has become one of the best academy/youth setups in North America. Our youth teams are spitting out major league-caliber players left and right.

I hate "Red Bull", I hate the logo and the company and I hate that it's called "New York", but they have set the bar pretty damn high league-wide: on stadium design, on training facilities, on academies, etc. Calling them an "embarrassment" is entirely off-base. It's a little embarrassing that we are called "New York" and "Red Bulls", but they are not an embarrassment to American soccer and New Jersey sports; they are one of the biggest driving forces in producing the next crop of New Jersey/American-based superstars, more than any other team.

[/off topic]

Well they can still eat a d*ck for calling themselves NY while using NJ taxpayer money to build that stadium... Now that there's an ACTUAL NYC MLS team, this would be a great opportunity for them to embrace a NJ identity, but no, of course not. That franchise can get bent.

[DJ Eco]

14 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

Well they can still eat a d*ck for calling themselves NY while using NJ taxpayer money to build that stadium... Now that there's an ACTUAL NYC MLS team, this would be a great opportunity for them to embrace a NJ identity, but no, of course not. That franchise can get bent.

I mean, not supporting them is your choice, but it's not like they're the first to do that. Jets, Giants, etc. 

I think they see how many of their fans come from New York (probably about half the arena, maybe more), and look across the river and see that our state's ONE and ONLY New Jersey-named sports franchise also struggles with attendance; I'm not sure I'd make the switch if I were them too.

Rebranding as "New Jersey" won't suddenly turn attendance around, this state is cursed.

[MadDog2020]

Well they can still eat a d*ck for calling themselves NY while using NJ taxpayer money to build that stadium... Now that there's an ACTUAL NYC MLS team, this would be a great opportunity for them to embrace a NJ identity, but no, of course not. That franchise can get bent.

I mean, not supporting them is your choice, but it's not like they're the first to do that. Jets, Giants, etc. 

I think they see how many of their fans come from New York (probably about half the arena, maybe more), and look across the river and see that our state's ONE and ONLY New Jersey-named sports franchise also struggles with attendance; I'm not sure I'd make the switch if I were them too.

Rebranding as "New Jersey" won't suddenly turn attendance around, this state is cursed.

If I was a soccer fan from the NY side of the river, I'd be an NYCFC fan over the Red Bulls, for several reasons, not the least of which being that NYCFC actually plays in the city of New York, and isn't named after an energy drink. But hey, that's me... I'd probably attempt to get into soccer more if the Red Bulls changed to NJ, but I realize I'm probably in the minority.

[Satans Hockey]

Nycfc is also owned by awful oil money . I'd rather support an awful energy drink then that garbage and their awful beliefs. Plus they are Manchester city lite and play in awful Yankee Stadium. 

The MLS has screwed up the MLS in this area because both teams aren't ideal whatsoever. 

Im from NY but I've supported the metrostars / red bull way before nycfc was ever even thought of. Plus their fans and supporters are awful. 

Edited May 18, 2016 by Satans Hockey

[Chuck the Duck]

2 hours ago, DJ Eco said:

I mean, not supporting them is your choice, but it's not like they're the first to do that. Jets, Giants, etc. 

I think they see how many of their fans come from New York (probably about half the arena, maybe more), and look across the river and see that our state's ONE and ONLY New Jersey-named sports franchise also struggles with attendance; I'm not sure I'd make the switch if I were them too.

Rebranding as "New Jersey" won't suddenly turn attendance around, this state is cursed.

This state is not cursed.  Generally speaking, the people that live in NJ have no pride in being from here.  Most identify with being from NY, even though they live in Livingston.  They are attracted to the myth of NYC, and are lemmings led around by what they are force fed through the media.  Not all are like that, but I'd say a majority.

[MadDog2020]

I mean, not supporting them is your choice, but it's not like they're the first to do that. Jets, Giants, etc. 

I think they see how many of their fans come from New York (probably about half the arena, maybe more), and look across the river and see that our state's ONE and ONLY New Jersey-named sports franchise also struggles with attendance; I'm not sure I'd make the switch if I were them too.

Rebranding as "New Jersey" won't suddenly turn attendance around, this state is cursed.

This state is not cursed.  Generally speaking, the people that live in NJ have no pride in being from here.  Most identify with being from NY, even though they live in Livingston.  They are attracted to the myth of NYC, and are lemmings led around by what they are force fed through the media.  Not all are like that, but I'd say a majority.

You nailed it Chuck, there isn't enough state pride and it's sickening to me... People like that don't fvcking get it, and likely never will. YOU AREN'T FROM fvckING NEW YORK. THE ONLY ASSOCIATION YOU HAVE WITH NEW YORK IS BECAUSE OF SHEER PROXIMITY. YOU LIVE IN AND ARE FROM AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT fvckING STATE. TAKE SOME MOTHERfvckING PRIDE IN IT. End rant/yelling.

[thecoffeecake]

On 5/18/2016 at 1:44 PM, DJ Eco said:

 

If you want to get hung up on sponsors/team name and jersey designs, then maybe it is. But the reality is that the Metrostars were already an embarrassment to American soccer and New Jersey sports. I know because I was 9 years old when my family started taking us to every single game. We were a joke.

Then Red Bull came in, built us one of the best soccer-specific stadiums in North America. Then they doubled down and built one of the best training facilities in North America. Then they tripled down and invested into building what has become one of the best academy/youth setups in North America. Our youth teams are spitting out major league-caliber players left and right.

I hate "Red Bull", I hate the logo and the company and I hate that it's called "New York", but they have set the bar pretty damn high league-wide: on stadium design, on training facilities, on academies, etc. Calling them an "embarrassment" is entirely off-base. It's a little embarrassing that we are called "New York" and "Red Bulls", but they are not an embarrassment to American soccer and New Jersey sports; they are one of the biggest driving forces in producing the next crop of New Jersey/American-based superstars, more than any other team.

[/off topic]

Yea, I do want to get hung up on the things that connect people to their clubs. Sports are about community, and Red Bull completely ignores mine, on top of being a plastic, corporate brand. It is a slap in the face to every proud New Jerseyan. I would rather watch a garbage team run around in Giants Stadium than Red Bull New York buying a bunch of fancy toys.

I was really into that team when I was younger, so it wasn't exactly easy to accept that not only was I not connected in any way to it, but that it was toxic to our state. Honestly, their debatable success on the field is distantly secondary, so I couldn't care less. They've been less than mediocre for their entire history, regardless. I'm not too impressed with their one conference championship and one Supporters' Shield.

On 5/18/2016 at 2:40 PM, DJ Eco said:

I mean, not supporting them is your choice, but it's not like they're the first to do that. Jets, Giants, etc. 

I think they see how many of their fans come from New York (probably about half the arena, maybe more), and look across the river and see that our state's ONE and ONLY New Jersey-named sports franchise also struggles with attendance; I'm not sure I'd make the switch if I were them too.

Rebranding as "New Jersey" won't suddenly turn attendance around, this state is cursed.

I couldn't give a sh!t about the Giants or Jets either. There were people that committed robbery before the last guy that did it, too. That doesn't it make it less deplorable.

The Devils have never been and the Nets never were marketed correctly (or at all). They were always fighting an uphill battle, and they never even made the effort. That's not the state of 8 million people, it's that market not being exploited properly.

On 5/18/2016 at 3:27 PM, Satans Hockey said:

Nycfc is also owned by awful oil money . I'd rather support an awful energy drink then that garbage and their awful beliefs. Plus they are Manchester city lite and play in awful Yankee Stadium. 

The MLS has screwed up the MLS in this area because both teams aren't ideal whatsoever. 

Im from NY but I've supported the metrostars / red bull way before nycfc was ever even thought of. Plus their fans and supporters are awful. 

You're right, MLS has really mishandled both teams, and they're missing out on such powerful markets because of it.

On 5/18/2016 at 5:30 PM, Chuck the Duck said:

This state is not cursed.  Generally speaking, the people that live in NJ have no pride in being from here.  Most identify with being from NY, even though they live in Livingston.  They are attracted to the myth of NYC, and are lemmings led around by what they are force fed through the media.  Not all are like that, but I'd say a majority.

 

On 5/19/2016 at 2:50 PM, MadDog2020 said:

You nailed it Chuck, there isn't enough state pride and it's sickening to me... People like that don't fvcking get it, and likely never will. YOU AREN'T FROM fvckING NEW YORK. THE ONLY ASSOCIATION YOU HAVE WITH NEW YORK IS BECAUSE OF SHEER PROXIMITY. YOU LIVE IN AND ARE FROM AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT fvckING STATE. TAKE SOME MOTHERfvckING PRIDE IN IT. End rant/yelling.

I'm really glad I'm not from North Jersey (or wherever you guys are from). There is so much Jersey pride in Ocean and Monmouth Counties.

[MadDog2020]

 

If you want to get hung up on sponsors/team name and jersey designs, then maybe it is. But the reality is that the Metrostars were already an embarrassment to American soccer and New Jersey sports. I know because I was 9 years old when my family started taking us to every single game. We were a joke.

Then Red Bull came in, built us one of the best soccer-specific stadiums in North America. Then they doubled down and built one of the best training facilities in North America. Then they tripled down and invested into building what has become one of the best academy/youth setups in North America. Our youth teams are spitting out major league-caliber players left and right.

I hate "Red Bull", I hate the logo and the company and I hate that it's called "New York", but they have set the bar pretty damn high league-wide: on stadium design, on training facilities, on academies, etc. Calling them an "embarrassment" is entirely off-base. It's a little embarrassing that we are called "New York" and "Red Bulls", but they are not an embarrassment to American soccer and New Jersey sports; they are one of the biggest driving forces in producing the next crop of New Jersey/American-based superstars, more than any other team.

[/off topic]

Yea, I do want to get hung up on the things that connect people to their clubs. Sports are about community, and Red Bull completely ignores mine, on top of being a plastic, corporate brand. It is a slap in the face to every proud New Jerseyan. I would rather watch a garbage team run around in Giants Stadium than Red Bull New York buying a bunch of fancy toys.

I was really into that team when I was younger, so it wasn't exactly easy to accept that not only was I not connected in any way to it, but that it was toxic to our state. Honestly, their debatable success on the field is distantly secondary, so I couldn't care less. They've been less than mediocre for their entire history, regardless. I'm not too impressed with their one conference championship and one Supporters' Shield.

I mean, not supporting them is your choice, but it's not like they're the first to do that. Jets, Giants, etc. 

I think they see how many of their fans come from New York (probably about half the arena, maybe more), and look across the river and see that our state's ONE and ONLY New Jersey-named sports franchise also struggles with attendance; I'm not sure I'd make the switch if I were them too.

Rebranding as "New Jersey" won't suddenly turn attendance around, this state is cursed.

I couldn't give a sh!t about the Giants or Jets either. There were people that committed robbery before the last guy that did it, too. That doesn't it make it less deplorable.

The Devils have never been and the Nets never were marketed correctly (or at all). They were always fighting an uphill battle, and they never even made the effort. That's not the state of 8 million people, it's that market not being exploited properly.

Nycfc is also owned by awful oil money . I'd rather support an awful energy drink then that garbage and their awful beliefs. Plus they are Manchester city lite and play in awful Yankee Stadium. 

The MLS has screwed up the MLS in this area because both teams aren't ideal whatsoever. 

Im from NY but I've supported the metrostars / red bull way before nycfc was ever even thought of. Plus their fans and supporters are awful. 

You're right, MLS has really mishandled both teams, and they're missing out on such powerful markets because of it.

This state is not cursed.  Generally speaking, the people that live in NJ have no pride in being from here.  Most identify with being from NY, even though they live in Livingston.  They are attracted to the myth of NYC, and are lemmings led around by what they are force fed through the media.  Not all are like that, but I'd say a majority.

 

You nailed it Chuck, there isn't enough state pride and it's sickening to me... People like that don't fvcking get it, and likely never will. YOU AREN'T FROM fvckING NEW YORK. THE ONLY ASSOCIATION YOU HAVE WITH NEW YORK IS BECAUSE OF SHEER PROXIMITY. YOU LIVE IN AND ARE FROM AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT fvckING STATE. TAKE SOME MOTHERfvckING PRIDE IN IT. End rant/yelling.

I'm really glad I'm not from North Jersey (or wherever you guys are from). There is so much Jersey pride in Ocean and Monmouth Counties.

That's nice to know at least... No coincidence that there are a lot of Devils fans down in that area too.

[Jerzey]

Maybe people from New Jersey would gets off of NYC's nose if they realized people from NYC thought we were all trash.

 

It autocorrected what I had to Nose so I'm gonna leave it.

 

 

Edited May 20, 2016 by Jerzey

[MadDog2020]

Maybe people from New Jersey would gets off of NYC's nose if they realized people from NYC thought we were all trash.

 

It autocorrected what I had to Nose so I'm gonna leave it.

 

 

Probably not... The type of people we're talking about are entirely too self-loathing.

[CommonDreads]

If anyone is interested, also since the RIver Rats were mentioned in another thread, I had a River Rats concept posted on icethetics today if anyone would like to check it out

http://www.icethetics.co/concepts/2016/5/29/bring-back-the-rats

EDIT: And again, if anyone is interested, here's some of my other work that's been posted on that site

http://www.icethetics.co/concepts/?category=Brandon+Holmes

Edited May 29, 2016 by CommonDreads