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[Triumph 1,409]

Nolan Patrick wouldn't be taken 5th this year.  I'd put him over everyone but Matthews and Laine, and given that he's a full year younger than Matthews it would be close between the two of them.  Patrick probably won't score 102 points next year - 4 of his top teammates could be gone - but 112 points in a Y17 season is really, really good.

Trading next year's 1st would be a complete disaster.

Edited June 6, 2016 by Triumph

[sundstrom 719]

26 minutes ago, Triumph said:

Nolan Patrick wouldn't be taken 5th this year.  I'd put him over everyone but Matthews and Laine, and given that he's a full year younger than Matthews it would be close between the two of them.  Patrick probably won't score 102 points next year - 4 of his top teammates could be gone - but 112 points in a Y17 season is really, really good.

Trading next year's 1st would be a complete disaster.

would you trade this year's first and next year's first for #3 this year?

[Daniel 1,653]

5 minutes ago, Triumph said:

Nolan Patrick wouldn't be taken 5th this year.  I'd put him over everyone but Matthews and Laine, and given that he's a full year younger than Matthews it would be close between the two of them.  Patrick probably won't score 112 points next year - 4 of his top teammates could be gone - but 112 points in a Y17 season is really, really good.

Trading next year's 1st would be a complete disaster.

By saying he would be the fifth overall this year, I'm going on what Corey Pronman said.  Patrick also missed the deadline for this draft by a few days, so he'll be one of the oldest players in next year's draft.  It's also unlikely that we'd have the number 1 pick overall. 

Based on that, my sense is that next year's draft is going to be like 2011.  Some good players in the first round, but most of them are guys I would pass up if the payoff was really, really good.  If the thinking in the organization is that someone like Puljujarvi is a future super star, I would probably do it. 

[Triumph 1,409]

8 minutes ago, Daniel said:

By saying he would be the fifth overall this year, I'm going on what Corey Pronman said.  Patrick also missed the deadline for this draft by a few days, so he'll be one of the oldest players in next year's draft.  It's also unlikely that we'd have the number 1 pick overall. 

Based on that, my sense is that next year's draft is going to be like 2011.  Some good players in the first round, but most of them are guys I would pass up if the payoff was really, really good.  If the thinking in the organization is that someone like Puljujarvi is a future super star, I would probably do it. 

I'm aware of that, but Matthews is in the same position this year and he probably goes 6th last year.  It's a silly comparison to make - there's a year's worth of data we don't have yet.

I wouldn't trade this year's 1st and next year's 1st for 3rd overall and neither would Columbus.

[Daniel 1,653]

2 minutes ago, Triumph said:

I'm aware of that, but Matthews is in the same position this year and he probably goes 6th last year.  It's a silly comparison to make - there's a year's worth of data we don't have yet.

I wouldn't trade this year's 1st and next year's 1st for 3rd overall and neither would Columbus.

With Columbus, I would take back someone like Hartnell and might give a little more.  

From everything you hear, the expansion rules are going to be very brutal for a team like Columbus, who also can't afford to buy out players with NMCs (and it isn't even clear whether that would work).  I would leave no stone unturned in trying to take advantage of that situation.

[Daniel 1,653]

It's behind the paywall, but in Custance's latest column, there are a few quotes from Shero, who definitely appears to be well aware of the possiblities of taking on a bad contract -- Datsyuk, Bickell -- in order to get a good young player.  Teravanin and Bickell for a second or third round pick would be very, very nice.  Bickel's contract is over after next year and he doesn't have an NMC, so it should not be a big problem to take him on.  He could also probably be a decent contributor for one year. 

[vadvlfan 199]

Is Teravanen still on ELC? (last year)  Not that any team would grab him (Bickel) he can be exposed in expansion draft. If a scenario like this played out, Bickel (given another opportunity) might try to prove Hawks wrong & get back to where he once was. (whatever that was) Anymore, teams don't have to spend that much on an energy guy. Bickel was a 3rd liner at one time. and 1st or 2nd PP

[Daniel 1,653]

Just now, vadvlfan said:

Is Teravanen still on ELC? (last year)  Not that any team would grab him (Bickel) he can be exposed in expansion draft. If a scenario like this played out, Bickel (given another opportunity) might try to prove Hawks wrong & get back to where he once was. (whatever that was) Anymore, teams don't have to spend that much on an energy guy. Bickel was a 3rd liner at one time. and 1st or 2nd PP

Bickell has one year left at $4 million, which is a number the Devils could easily afford.  He doesn't have an NMC, so he doesn't need to be protected in the expansion draft even if the rules will be as draconian as Brooks reported (i.e. even if the player with NMC contract expires at the end of the 16-17 season, he'll still need to be protected). 

Teravanin has one year left on his ELC.  You'd need to protect him in the expansion draft, but so what. 

[Triumph 1,409]

You're not going to get Teravainen for that price.  Chicago has to keep Teravainen at all costs, actually.  Their window is now - unless Marian Hossa gets injured and has to retire, he will retire soon, and Chicago will have an empty cap charge.  The Seabrook contract is already a giant disaster.  They need inexpensive players.

Maybe you can get McNeill for that price, but not Teravainen.

[Daniel 1,653]

5 minutes ago, Triumph said:

 

Maybe you can get McNeill for that price, but not Teravainen.

Then they can keep Bickell and see if they can live with his cap hit for this year.  McNeill is a guy who was drafted in first round in 2011 and has one NHL game to his name.  His AHL numbers and even his CHL numbers are not all that impressive.

[Triumph 1,409]

1 hour ago, Daniel said:

Then they can keep Bickell and see if they can live with his cap hit for this year.  McNeill is a guy who was drafted in first round in 2011 and has one NHL game to his name.  His AHL numbers and even his CHL numbers are not all that impressive.

They can buy out Bickell.  It's not a huge cap charge to do so.  It's much better than giving up Teravainen for a 2nd or 3rd round pick, that's for sure.

[CarpathianForest 454]

I don't think Hartnell is a big nuisance to CBJ's cap even though it's too much. Plus he's still putting up respectable numbers.

[Daniel 1,653]

4 hours ago, CarpathianForest said:

I don't think Hartnell is a big nuisance to CBJ's cap even though it's too much. Plus he's still putting up respectable numbers.

It's not the cap hit so much as his NMC.  Columbus has five of them altogether, and none of the players that have them are that great.  If they don't manage to get rid of one or two of them before the expansion draft, they'll be losing a very good player, either Cam Atkinson or perhaps even Boone Jenner.  

[jim777 14]

On 6/6/2016 at 11:12 AM, Daniel said:

With Columbus, I would take back someone like Hartnell and might give a little more.  

From everything you hear, the expansion rules are going to be very brutal for a team like Columbus, who also can't afford to buy out players with NMCs (and it isn't even clear whether that would work).  I would leave no stone unturned in trying to take advantage of that situation.

Looks like Hartnell has waived his no trade clause and given Columbus a long list of teams he'd play for. Given his love for Philly I wouldn't be surprised if the Devils are on that list.

 

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/report-scott-hartnell-waives-no-move-clause-gives-blue-jackets-decent-sized-list/

Edited June 14, 2016 by jim777
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[CarpathianForest 454]

2 hours ago, jim777 said:

Looks like Hartnell has waived his no trade clause and given Columbus a long list of teams he'd play for. Given his love for Philly I wouldn't be surprised if the Devils are on that list.

 

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/report-scott-hartnell-waives-no-move-clause-gives-blue-jackets-decent-sized-list/

I know many on here don't like him, but Hartnell has been one of my favs since he was in Nashville. He is definitely on the downside of his career, but I think he can still be a 20+ goal scorer next season. Would love to seem him rock the red.

[Chuck the Duck 381]

Unless he's on a 1 year deal and is able to be dealt at the deadline to a contending team, I want no part of Crusty the Clown here in NJ.  The guy is old, with diminishing skills, and doesn't fit with what we are trying to build here.  He is best suited for a contending team looking for 3rd line help that can be a pest.   

[T0asterleav1ns 195]

20 minutes ago, Chuck the Duck said:

Unless he's on a 1 year deal and is able to be dealt at the deadline to a contending team, I want no part of Crusty the Clown here in NJ.  The guy is old, with diminishing skills, and doesn't fit with what we are trying to build here.  He is best suited for a contending team looking for 3rd line help that can be a pest.   

Agree with this. He's old, and slow. We aren't going to compete next year, so what would be the point? To cost us a draft pick position or two at the end of the year and take away ice time from someone who still has potential?

 

Do. Not. Want.

[Daniel 1,653]

18 minutes ago, Toasterleavins said:

Agree with this. He's old, and slow. We aren't going to compete next year, so what would be the point? To cost us a draft pick position or two at the end of the year and take away ice time from someone who still has potential?

 

Do. Not. Want.

A team is only dealing for Hartnell if something else is coming along with him.  Columbus needs to start getting rid of some of its NMCs, unless Hartnell has waived his NMC for purposes of the expansion draft assuming that it works that way, which isn't clear yet.

[Jerzey 679]

What's the deal with getting a new beat writer? Are those days just gone for us? Who actually would assign one would it be the Devils themselves or would it be a publication? Can we petition for one? fvckin really missing Tom here.

Edited June 14, 2016 by Jerzey

[Triumph 1,409]

The Devils will have a new beat writer by September for sure.  They may not have one for the draft and free agency though - Gross may be doing double-time there for The Record, or they may assign someone else to that beat temporarily.  It doesn't make much sense to hire a new guy for 2 weeks then give him 10 weeks off.

[Devils Pride 26 296]

Star Ledger already has named Chere's replacement. I'm hearing good things

[MadDog2020 8,578]

Star Ledger already has named Chere's replacement. I'm hearing good things

Who is it? Anything you can elaborate on?

[Derlique 582]

7 hours ago, Devils Pride 26 said:

Star Ledger already has named Chere's replacement. I'm hearing good things

Bout time. Not having a beat writer sucks

[NJDfan1711 1,730]

17 hours ago, Toasterleavins said:

Agree with this. He's old, and slow. We aren't going to compete next year, so what would be the point? To cost us a draft pick position or two at the end of the year and take away ice time from someone who still has potential?

 

Do. Not. Want.

Make that 3.  At first when his name was brought up I was mildy interested, but with him just turning 34, I am thinking even a 2 year deal is too much, mainly because as others have said his skill set just really isn't what we need right now.  I'd rather keep someone like Farnham and see if he can continue to develop into a play similar to Hartnell, just obviously much younger.

[T0asterleav1ns 195]

18 hours ago, Daniel said:

A team is only dealing for Hartnell if something else is coming along with him.  Columbus needs to start getting rid of some of its NMCs, unless Hartnell has waived his NMC for purposes of the expansion draft assuming that it works that way, which isn't clear yet.

I hear you, I just cant see us getting much of a prospect or pick with Hartnell, or at least enough of a pick or prospect to make taking him on worthwhile. Too many people think he still has alot(some?) of value in his own right.