2016 NFL Regular Season Thread

[Daniel]

19 minutes ago, '7' said:

From what I can recall there were legit question marks about Carr. Mechanics was one of them and for some teams that's an immediate "do not draft" red flag. That's what Hackenberg is dealing with. 30 yard frozen rope into a tight window. Wide open screen from 5 feet away with daylight...airmails it 2 feet over the RB's head. He also supposedly was very flustered by the rush. I don't know...maybe watched too much of his brother. But he was not considered a "when the going gets tough" type of QB. 

He has done very well and steadily improved at this level. The Raiders who do nothing right...have nurtured him well.

I don't recall Carr having the same concerns as Hackenberg, who was positively awful in his last year at Penn State and would not have even been drafted but for the fact that he was a five star recruit.  Carr had issues but there was never a doubt that he would be drafted by the third round at the latest.

[eaglejelly]

Thank you Giants defense for making this evening bearable again. I was expecting them to get their ass kicked like the Devils did.
Impressive performance.

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[MadDog2020]

Yeah thanks ODB for knocking me out of a shot at the playoffs in my Yahoo league, eat a d*ck ODB.


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[eaglejelly]

Yeah thanks ODB for knocking me out of a shot at the playoffs in my Yahoo league, eat a d*ck ODB.


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U Mad?

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[MadDog2020]

U Mad?

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Furious actually. I had Dez and of course he did nothing, actually had negative points tonight, that fvcking stiff.


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[NJDevs4978]

Figures the Giants splurge in FA but they do it right on players in their prime while every time the Jets do it it's for older guys or ones who just flat suck

['7']

12 hours ago, NJDevs4978 said:

Figures the Giants splurge in FA but they do it right on players in their prime while every time the Jets do it it's for older guys or ones who just flat suck

Well I wouldn't say that's entirely true. We got solid contributions from guys like Tomlinson and Jason Taylor, Kris Jenkins, Jim Leonhard and those guys were instrumental during our short window of success. Some blew up in our faces (like Derrick Mason) I think the Giants have had their share of FA clunkers as well.

What always helps the Giants is that they are almost always good in years where the rest of the conference is middling, and potential opponents down the road have big injuries. Lions look formidable, Stafford finger injury. Packers...Rodgers is banged up. There are no 15-1, or 13-3 monoliths to deal with like last year when the Cards and Panthers were outstanding. If and when the Giants make the playoffs they will have as good a chance as any to make a Super Bowl. This won't be like a 2010 Jets situation where they have to run a Manning/Brady/Roethlisberger gauntlet to get there...they'll have Matt Ryan/Prescott or something like that.

[Daniel]

And what do you know.  Jeff Fisher fired.

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

1 hour ago, '7' said:

Well I wouldn't say that's entirely true. We got solid contributions from guys like Tomlinson and Jason Taylor, Kris Jenkins, Jim Leonhard and those guys were instrumental during our short window of success. Some blew up in our faces (like Derrick Mason) I think the Giants have had their share of FA clunkers as well.

What always helps the Giants is that they are almost always good in years where the rest of the conference is middling, and potential opponents down the road have big injuries. Lions look formidable, Stafford finger injury. Packers...Rodgers is banged up. There are no 15-1, or 13-3 monoliths to deal with like last year when the Cards and Panthers were outstanding. If and when the Giants make the playoffs they will have as good a chance as any to make a Super Bowl. This won't be like a 2010 Jets situation where they have to run a Manning/Brady/Roethlisberger gauntlet to get there...they'll have Matt Ryan/Prescott or something like that.

I could see another Giants-Pats SB...and Eli making it a trifecta of rings. 

['7']

 

16 minutes ago, Daniel said:

And what do you know.  Jeff Fisher fired.

Curious who takes the Fisher bait next year?

My guess...Cincinnati.

Maybe the Bills

Edited December 12, 2016 by '7'

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

4 minutes ago, '7' said:

 

Curious who takes the Fisher bait next year?

My guess...Cincinnati.

Maybe the Bills

I wouldn't rule out the Jets either. 

['7']

Just now, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

I wouldn't rule out the Jets either. 

Seems like Woody won't be firing Bowles if you believe the recent reports...but who knows nowadays Fisher was supposedly safe too. And Rex was going to be fired today, that didn't happen either.

It could happen yes.

 

[Hi, I'm VALUE!]

In case anyone was on the fence about how RotoWorld feels about Jeff Fisher:

"In a cruel, ironic twist for the NFL's pre-eminent loser, the firing comes three days before he was set to pass Dan Reeves for the most coaching losses in league history. Fisher is so inept he can't even claim the record that's been his destiny for over a decade. The firing is perhaps the most justified of the modern era. Fisher has had five years to turn around a laughingstock franchise, but instead made it an even bigger joke. Fisher's team had truly made zero progress on his first year in 2012. A wanton waster of draft picks and capital, Fisher is clueless on Sundays, mismanaging the clock and overseeing a cavalcade of idiotic penalties. Fisher doesn't make adjustments, aside from usually dialing up more personal fouls in the second half. Try as he may, he never came close to "cleaning up" his chronic, myriad, inexcusable mistakes. No coach, in any sport anywhere in the world, makes more excuses. Fisher has almost certainly coached his final NFL game."

Edited December 12, 2016 by Hi, I'm VALUE!

[MadDog2020]

 

Curious who takes the Fisher bait next year?

My guess...Cincinnati.

Maybe the Bills

Buffalo. Cincinnati will just bring Lewis back on another one year deal like they always do. He'll get slack because of the A.J. Green injury.

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[NJDevs4978]

4 hours ago, '7' said:

Well I wouldn't say that's entirely true. We got solid contributions from guys like Tomlinson and Jason Taylor, Kris Jenkins, Jim Leonhard and those guys were instrumental during our short window of success. Some blew up in our faces (like Derrick Mason) I think the Giants have had their share of FA clunkers as well.

What always helps the Giants is that they are almost always good in years where the rest of the conference is middling, and potential opponents down the road have big injuries. Lions look formidable, Stafford finger injury. Packers...Rodgers is banged up. There are no 15-1, or 13-3 monoliths to deal with like last year when the Cards and Panthers were outstanding. If and when the Giants make the playoffs they will have as good a chance as any to make a Super Bowl. This won't be like a 2010 Jets situation where they have to run a Manning/Brady/Roethlisberger gauntlet to get there...they'll have Matt Ryan/Prescott or something like that.

Technically Jenkins was a trade.  Tomlinson and Taylor were nice but older (one-year) players which is what the 2009 team needed, but I can't remember the last time we actually got some real good player in the prime of his career via FA the way the Giants did with Vernon AND Snacks.  Curtis Martin and Kevin Mawae were those type of signings but that was nearly two decades ago.  Bart Scott was a bit of a dissapointment, though at least the Raven express helped us get him and Leonard.  I guess Decker was one now that I think of it, though with our luck we're only getting the two good years out of him.

re: Fisher, my favorite Fisher moment by far is when he was screaming during Hard Knocks 'I'm not going 7-9 this year!'.  Nope you went 4-9.

Edited December 12, 2016 by NJDevs4978

['7']

Ravens are lucky it's 16-3. Really it could be 30-0. 

[MadDog2020]

Pats beating up on Baltimore. I guess this is the best thing for the Fins, as it assures we'd be in with 10 wins.


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[MadDog2020]

Wow, the Pats cough up a punt and a kick in 14 seconds and just like that it's 23-17.


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[Colorado Rockies 1976]

Way to go Roger, way to go:

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nfl/nfl-announces-4-matchups-for-london-games-in-2017/ar-AAlviYB

"We continue to be incredibly excited by the passion and love for the NFL shown by our millions of UK fans," said NFL commissioner Roger Goodell. "London is an amazing city. We have had tremendous support from our fans, from Mayor Khan, and other government leaders and business partners, and we are looking forward to taking the next step in the UK by playing four games in London next season."

Here's a crazy idea Roger...why don't you, for ONCE, worry about the fans who have been watching NFL football ALL their lives?  You know, the ones who live in AMERICA?!  Enough with the TNF and across-the-pond crap that never seems to affect the on-field product in a good way.  I feel for the four teams getting screwed out of a home game to boot. 

14 hours ago, MadDog2020 said:

Wow, the Pats cough up a punt and a kick in 14 seconds and just like that it's 23-17.

I did plenty of yelling at the TV.  Made a game that the Pats pretty much dominated much much closer than it ever should have been.  I didn't think they would dominate on offense AND defense the way they did...I can't crucify the D for the two TDs they gave up on very short fields, especially the one that was a few yards or so...they held the Ravens to 9 points the rest of the night, holding the Ravens to just three FG tries on the Ravens' good drives.  Even though the Patriots have actually now gone 8-3 against the Ravens in the BB/TB era, somehow it doesn't FEEL like that...that team always seems to play the Pats very tight.  And it's just very hard for me to trust this defense.  I thought this was going to be a loss, and I never thought the Pats were going to rack up almost 500 yards of offense against the Ravens' D.  But the Pats' D played its best game of the year, especially factoring in their competition.  As much as Flacco is Average Joe too often, he does have a way of raising his game in the bigger moments.  There's a reason why he's got 10 playoff wins and a ring. 

Anyway MD2020, if the Pats can go into their House of Horrors this Sunday and pull off a win, you can almost guarantee they'll be resting bodies in Week 17.  As much as I usually expect a tough game from the Jets, I just don't see them going up to NE and winning...I get the feeling the Pats will really whup that team this time around, especially with Petty being the QB.  So if the Pats can go into Denver and win (that will clinch both the AFC East and a first-round bye), they'll be 13-2 going into the Dolphin game...I'm not sure how the tie would break if NE and KC (or Oakland) wound up 13-3 though.

The two teams that have a lot of say about where NE/KC/Oakland finish are the Broncos (they face all three teams to finish out their schedule) and San Diego (they have one game each with KC and Oakland, both in what could be their final home games in San Diego, ever).  I wonder how much fight the Chargers have left...it wouldn't surprise me not only if they start mailing it in, but if their building is a complete morgue.      

Edited December 13, 2016 by Colorado Rockies 1976

['7']

In a troubling season of falling ratings and (what I feel) was rather un-captivating football (Dallas is really the only big story other than the Kaepernick stuff) he CONTINUES to push forward with London. The Browns are already in the toilet so why not abuse them and their fans some more by putting them in London? If that doesn't enforce their 2nd class NFL status I don't know what does. Bills/Jets/Patriots get 8 home games next year, Miami (a projected contender who just refurbished their stadium) has 7. Fair?

Edited December 13, 2016 by '7'

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

I was thinking the same thing '7'.  Incredibly unfair to the Dolphins.  And nothing against Brits, but you wanna watch football, then YOU come over HERE.  Plenty of cool stuff in the Miami area to check out, along with the game.  With much nicer weather to boot. 

[MadDog2020]

In a troubling season of falling ratings and (what I feel) was rather un-captivating football (Dallas is really the only big story other than the Kaepernick stuff) he CONTINUES to push forward with London. The Browns are already in the toilet so why not abuse them and their fans some more by putting them in London? If that doesn't enforce their 2nd class NFL status I don't know what does. Bills/Jets/Patriots get 8 home games next year, Miami (a projected contender who just refurbished their stadium) has 7. Fair?

Don't even get me started... [emoji35]


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[Daniel]

3 hours ago, '7' said:

In a troubling season of falling ratings and (what I feel) was rather un-captivating football (Dallas is really the only big story other than the Kaepernick stuff) he CONTINUES to push forward with London. The Browns are already in the toilet so why not abuse them and their fans some more by putting them in London? If that doesn't enforce their 2nd class NFL status I don't know what does. Bills/Jets/Patriots get 8 home games next year, Miami (a projected contender who just refurbished their stadium) has 7. Fair?

Being the "home" team for a game in London is required for any team that wants the Super Bowl played in their stadium.  So that's why Miami agreed to do it.  I mean, if there's even a small shot that you'll have a real home field advantage in the Super Bowl, I guess it's worth it to lose a home game. 

And I'll cut the league and Goodel a little slack for having the London games.  So far as I can tell, all of the NFL games that get played their are sold out in a big venue.  If the commissioner has any job it's to broaden the appeal of the game as much as possible, which the London games do accomplish.  You just have to make sure that you don't over-saturate.

As for the ratings overall this year, I can't really tell what's going on, except that there haven't been that many compelling match-ups, at least so far as I'm concerned (my attention wasn't distracted by any of the election stuff).  The Kaepaernick stuff did annoy me, and I was particularly irritated by the fact that the networks (the most guilty party being ESPN) decided to make a huge issue out of it to the point that I got push notifications on my phone about what each team was going to do during the anthem.  I can't say whether this caused me not to watch games that I otherwise would have, but it definitely was a turn off.   

[NJDevs4978]

When the **** is Cleveland ever getting a Super Bowl anyway?  The NFL hasn't rushed to go back to cold weather after narrowly missing disaster in NJ, I don't see why they would do it, other than having dumb ownership.

I could have sworn Miami lost a home game last year but I realized to my disbelief it was the JETS home game   They've literally gone three times now but the first time they did lose a home game it was before Goodell's blackmail of go there if you want a Super Bowl.

Edited December 14, 2016 by NJDevs4978

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

Richard Sherman is a bit of a headcase and loose cannon, but I'm sure he's not alone among the players, regarding his opinion of TNF:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18272300/seattle-seahawks-cb-richard-sherman-blasts-nfl-thursday-games

As for appealing to a broader fan base...I get that, but before the NFL starts expanding their house, they need to remodel the kitchen and bathroom first, and take care of some damage repair.  And all the 9:30 am London game starts do is add to the perception that the NFL is indeed becoming oversaturated.  Sunday afternoon, Sunday night, Monday night, Thanksgiving Thursday (which made the once-a-year Thursday games a great novelty), and a couple late-season Saturdays were more than enough.  I don't really blame the NFL for trying weekly TNF, but it's backfiring.  And it's not a great sign when you have players who aren't only not on board with these games, but actually feel like their league isn't concerned about their safety...along with some crappy matchups, that might explain why the quality of TNF often isn't anything to crow about. 

It's also not great that my mindset when it comes to Thursday/Sunday/Monday night games is "I hate when my team doesn't play Sunday afternoon."  The games are over around 11:30 pm to midnight.  Sucks for East Coast working folk.  That isn't a problem for everyone...West Coast and Mountain Time fans are definitely in bed at a reasonable hour, and even Central Time fans aren't getting it too bad...but considering that over half of NFL teams play in the Eastern Time Zone, that's a lot of fans who are getting to bed later than they'd like.  Three nights a week (all work nights) being up near midnight to watch NFL football is asking a lot...even of the most hardcore "I'll watch any two teams play" fans.

Edited December 14, 2016 by Colorado Rockies 1976