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15 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

It really sounds like the Coyotes aren't long for Arizona now: http://deadspin.com/gary-bettman-coyotes-cannot-and-will-not-remain-in-gl-1793078751


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Ridiculous how long this was strung out. I have never seen in sports history a dead corpse propped up for this long, and for absolutely no reason that's of any benefit to the league. So many twists and turns in this saga.

Just give them to Quebec or Seattle already. They would fill the building every night.

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Ridiculous how long this was strung out. I have never seen in sports history a dead corpse propped up for this long, and for absolutely no reason that's of any benefit to the league. So many twists and turns in this saga.

Just give them to Quebec or Seattle already. They would fill the building every night.

This sh!t has been going on in one form or another for eight years. EIGHT YEARS. Enough. Move 'em to Seattle or Portland and be done with it. It isn't gonna work there, that much is clear at this point.

 

 

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It's blank for me, bank for anyone else? I bet its Rags related, in which case, I'm with you 100%. 

Yes DD coffee is apparently 'The official coffee of the NY Rangers'. I hate it when products I love associate with sports teams I loathe.


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17 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

This sh!t has been going on in one form or another for eight years. EIGHT YEARS. Enough. Move 'em to Seattle or Portland and be done with it. It isn't gonna work there, that much is clear at this point.

 

 

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People are on the Braves case for ditching a perfectly adequate stadium after 20 years, the Coyotes have been in their new arena for barely 14! They think moving out of Glendale will solve anything?

It's Arizona, there are few hockey fans and those that do exist are snowbirds that cheer for other franchises.

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Ridiculous how long this was strung out. I have never seen in sports history a dead corpse propped up for this long, and for absolutely no reason that's of any benefit to the league. So many twists and turns in this saga.

Just give them to Quebec or Seattle already. They would fill the building every night.

And now Bettman softening his stance a bit: http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/18853872/not-giving-greater-phoenix

 

 

The writing is on the wall though.... I just don't see how that franchise stays there long term.

 

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, '7' said:

People are on the Braves case for ditching a perfectly adequate stadium after 20 years, the Coyotes have been in their new arena for barely 14! They think moving out of Glendale will solve anything?

It's Arizona, there are few hockey fans and those that do exist are snowbirds that cheer for other franchises.

That's where I am...why the hell should that team get a new building?  The Coyotes are the NHL's version of trying to make fetch happen.  It's not going to.  Stop it already. 

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That's where I am...why the hell should that team get a new building?  The Coyotes are the NHL's version of trying to make fetch happen.  It's not going to.  Stop it already. 

The reason they want a new building is because apparently Glendale is waaaaaay the fvck out there in terms of location- it's no where near Phoenix and the traffic at rush hour near game times is supposedly brutal. Basically, the Coyotes are saying 'we can't succeed in Glendale because the location sucks relative to where most of our fans live'. That's why they're trying to get a new building in a more centralized location. The whole thing is a circus.


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19 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

And now Bettman softening his stance a bit: http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/18853872/not-giving-greater-phoenix

 

 

The writing is on the wall though.... I just don't see how that franchise stays there long term.

 

 

 

 

You're probably right.  There's already a backlash against publicly funded venues for pro sports teams, and it seems to be even more intense in Arizona, home of Barry Goldwalter.  Not to mention that Glendale could have set the money it used to finance whatever the name of the arena that the Coyotes play in on fire. 

The only thing that might change things would be if the Coyotes turn things around on the ice, and get reasonably close to winning a Cup.  They have a lot of young talent, a good coach and a smart GM, so it's not beyond the realm of possibility.  In all of the four sports leagues, when was the last time a team did a major relocation after a successful season?  (So the Raiders shuttling back and forth between Oakland and LA doesn't count in my book).  The Nordiques are the only one I can think of, and they were by far the worst team in hockey for a pretty long stretch a few years before they moved. 

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2 minutes ago, Daniel said:

You're probably right.  There's already a backlash against publicly funded venues for pro sports teams, and it seems to be even more intense in Arizona, home of Barry Goldwalter.  Not to mention that Glendale could have set the money it used to finance whatever the name of the arena that the Coyotes play in on fire. 

The only thing that might change things would be if the Coyotes turn things around on the ice, and get reasonably close to winning a Cup.  They have a lot of young talent, a good coach and a smart GM, so it's not beyond the realm of possibility.  In all of the four sports leagues, when was the last time a team did a major relocation after a successful season?  (So the Raiders shuttling back and forth between Oakland and LA doesn't count in my book).  The Nordiques are the only one I can think of, and they were by far the worst team in hockey for a pretty long stretch a few years before they moved. 

They were pretty dreadful from 87-88 to 91-92 (after having made the playoffs in seven straight seasons), then were on the rise from 92-93 (despite a hiccup season in 93-94, when Owen Nolan missed most of the season, and Steve Duchesne was traded for pieces that didn't really work out for Quebec)...of course, Forsberg made his debut during the 95 season, then after some other tweaks, the Avs made the deal for Roy that put them over the top in 95-96.  Kind of a shame for Nords fans, in that the team was so close when they left. 

Also wonder what would've happened if Roy hadn't been left to wither and die in that 9-goal disaster...he was such a huge part of the Avs' success, even with all of that team's considerable talent.

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This guy is a former Hockey Night in Canada/Rogers Hockey producer and hockey columnist. I'm sure he's speculating and probably doesn't know anything concrete, but it goes to show people are beginning to think that this time, it's really over in Arizona. The only thing is, I don't know how you move them to Quebec because of the imbalance issue- you'd have to send Detroit and/or Columbus back west, and I highly doubt that happens. This should be interesting to monitor. https://mobile.twitter.com/bigmouthsports/status/839524068986601474


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4 hours ago, MadDog2020 said:


The reason they want a new building is because apparently Glendale is waaaaaay the fvck out there in terms of location- it's no where near Phoenix and the traffic at rush hour near game times is supposedly brutal. Basically, the Coyotes are saying 'we can't succeed in Glendale because the location sucks relative to where most of our fans live'. That's why they're trying to get a new building in a more centralized location. The whole thing is a circus.


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I don't think hockey was going to work there anyway but I have been to a game in Glendale and it is pretty retarded planning how remote the arena is from downtown and Scottsdale. The football stadium is way out there to but that is far less dates and obviously much more popular. If they would have correctly located the rink in the first place maybe this would have went differently but it seems overdue for the NHL to pull out of that market. Atlanta seemed to move almost overnight, I think they were talking about moving Phoenix before Atlanta and the Thrashers were gone years ago.

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2 hours ago, Antiquated Colorado Rockie said:

I don't think hockey was going to work there anyway but I have been to a game in Glendale and it is pretty retarded planning how remote the arena is from downtown and Scottsdale. The football stadium is way out there to but that is far less dates and obviously much more popular. If they would have correctly located the rink in the first place maybe this would have went differently but it seems overdue for the NHL to pull out of that market. Atlanta seemed to move almost overnight, I think they were talking about moving Phoenix before Atlanta and the Thrashers were gone years ago.

The league was propping up Phoenix at the time. When Atlanta's owners decided they were done, the league had no choice. They couldn't keep both on life support. 

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Is traffic really that bad in Phoenix / Glendale? I've never been so I have no clue. What's the excuse for the weekend games? I just looked up the directions from downtown Phoenix to the arena and its 15-17 miles depending on the route. That doesn't even account for the people who are in the other surrounding towns and cities in the area.  It just seems like a really poor excuse at this point. 

I know we have people here who go to games that drive a lot farther than that. 

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3 hours ago, MadDog2020 said:

Looks like the cap will be going up next year. More tremendous news for us. emoji19.pnghttp://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/projected-cap-increase-would-make-life-that-much-easier-for-several-gms


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I've never once expected the cap to drop, or even stay the same. Just no reason to expect it not to go up if history is any indication.

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3 hours ago, MadDog2020 said:

Looks like the cap will be going up next year. More tremendous news for us. emoji19.pnghttp://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/projected-cap-increase-would-make-life-that-much-easier-for-several-gms


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not favorable. I fear that again we won't sign any FA of consequence and it will be another round of utility players that no one else particularly wants and waiver claims.

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22 hours ago, Antiquated Colorado Rockie said:

not favorable. I fear that again we won't sign any FA of consequence and it will be another round of utility players that no one else particularly wants and waiver claims.

If Shattenkirk isn't a Devil come next season, it won't be because Shero didn't offer enough money.  I have faith we'll get it done.

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Good a place as any to once again thank Conte and his team for going with ECHLer Connor Chatham instead of Braydon Point.  Gotta have those big prospects.

I was contemplating the same thing watching that Tampa-Rags game.


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So serious question without being a wise ass and because I've never followed as closely as most of you.  Did Conte ever bring much if any value when it came to evaluating talent.    Up until the last year or two the minor league teams have been dreadful as they burn one market after another into the ground. I think if you combined Lowell, Albany and the Titans when they were around they made the playoffs something like 2 out of 15 seasons at one point so it appears he wasn't even drafting AHL quality players or at least enough of them.  It appeared the orgs plan was bank on a very small handful of guys that "may" at some point make it and fill those rosters with some of the cheapest guys you could find that were marginally talented.

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