Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 4 hours ago, Antiquated Colorado Rockie said: They didn't tank for Neidermayer, they acquired that pick from Toronto, which is much more an example of savvy management. They didn't need to tank for Martin Brodeur (20th) or Danyeko (18th) or Elias (51st) and they sustained a good team for 20 years without drafting high. I don't disagree with you that high picks give you a better chance of improving, though they aren't a guarantee, they also mean you suck. Zacha was 6th overall and he is the best prospect we have had probably since Parise, so I am not really disagreeing (and it was also a signal that changes were needed and it was about there where Lou was ushered out). My wish is that they first and foremost manage well and develop their players well. Also, it isn't totally a rational thing, I just can't cheer for losses. In fairness, yeah, Lou did make a hell of a move to acquire the pick that allowed the Devils to nab Niedermayer, but it's fair to note that the Leafs were one of THE worst-run organizations back then...they were an absolute mess...and that team was in no position to give up what could very well turn out to be a Top-5 pick for a merely pretty good (but limited) player in Tom Kurvers, who had already played for three teams by the time Lou moved him. You don't usually get franchises to make those kinds of mistakes. The Rockies made a similarly boneheaded deal years before, trading a first-round pick to the Islanders (who took advantage of general Rockies' stupidity more than once) for a couple of nothing-specials in Dave Cameron and Bob Lorimer. The pick they received wound up becoming Pat LaFontaine. But unless Mike Milbury becomes a GM again, you probably won't see this level of WTF?! deals anytime soon. I don't outwardly root for the Devils to lose, and like Steven suggested, I don't think that was ever Tri's point in starting the thread, but at this point, with the playoffs very clearly out of reach, and this team fully capable of losing plenty on its own, I'm not going to get too upset if they lose, say, 13 out of the next 19 games, and draft higher up in their rounds. And yes, at the moment, the Devils do indeed suck...as hard as they try not to. As far as the bolded goes...well, duh, of course. Every fan and franchise wants that. But sometimes you need a little help. And though it's no guarantee, sometimes a high pick can provide that help (and drafting closer to the top of each round can't hurt either). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derlique Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 Winnipeg winning is great Detroit picking up a point is nice Carolina losing pushes them even with us in the loss column Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted March 6, 2017 Author Share Posted March 6, 2017 Huge night for the bottom. Standings in points above .500 CAR: 0 BUF: 0 WIN: 0 DET: -2 VAN: -2 NJD: -3 DAL: -3 The Devils and Dallas are tied for 28th right now. 21st place is now 6 points above NJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted March 6, 2017 Author Share Posted March 6, 2017 Sportsclubstats now gives us this: 25% chance of finishing 24th or higher 12% of finishing 25th 16% of finishing 26th 20% of finishing 27th 24% of finishing 28th 2% of finishing 29th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven M. Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 21 minutes ago, Triumph said: Sportsclubstats now gives us this: 25% chance of finishing 24th or higher 12% of finishing 25th 16% of finishing 26th 20% of finishing 27th 24% of finishing 28th 2% of finishing 29th Feel like AZ has a good shot at beating us this week. Especially if we don't start getting guys back from injury, they have been play better hockey as of late. Certainly playing better than we are. Still think it would be tough for the Devils to be passed by them though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derlique Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Huge win for Dallas on the road vs Washington Need Winnipeg to get something out of their game 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted March 7, 2017 Author Share Posted March 7, 2017 They didn't, but the Devils now have sole possession of 28th place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas0nMacIsaac Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 I think NJ needs to play Kinkaid a little more, to work him out of his slump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 10 hours ago, Jas0nMacIsaac said: I think NJ needs to play Kinkaid a little more, to work him out of his slump. He looks great through 2 periods against the Jackets right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted March 8, 2017 Author Share Posted March 8, 2017 (edited) The best anyone could do tonight was Vancouver keeping pace. Everyone else down near the bottom lost. Standings expressed in games under .500 WIN: -1 CAR: -1 BUF: -1 VAN: -2 DAL: -2 DET: -3 NJD: -4 Edited March 8, 2017 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derlique Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Devils play the Isles and Flyers a combined 6 times in the remaining games. Both teams are entrenched and are in a dogged race to the 'yoffs. Let's hope they play hungry in those games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vadvlfan Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Watch, with our luck we'll go on a run, miss playoffs by 5 pts. mgmt will marvel at our new found whatever, and reward non core players w/ contracts. We need a few new "core' players like Shattenkirk, and larger skilled fw that can help on top 2 lines occasionally. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDfan1711 Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 1 hour ago, vadvlfan said: Watch, with our luck we'll go on a run, miss playoffs by 5 pts. mgmt will marvel at our new found whatever, and reward non core players w/ contracts. We need a few new "core' players like Shattenkirk, and larger skilled fw that can help on top 2 lines occasionally. I actually see this happening as well. I mean, if you look at the last half dozen games, they were against very tough opponents (WSH, NYR, BOS, MTL, CBJ twice). Then there was OTT, NYI twice, and so forth. We really haven't had any easy games in the past 10 or so. Certainly not any teams that are really on our level or someone to be considered an 'equal', except maybe for the Islanders (we play them tough, and I don't think they're that good). Basically the 8 game losing streak we're on now is just unsustainable, and is/was bound to break. The schedule gets easier with COL, ARZ, and even NYI/PHI as was mentioned (and I just don't think either of them are much better than us, we play them both well and have beaten them each). Watch us win four straight here and suddenly be back in the conversation of relevancy and "on the outside looking in", as opposed "in the lottery conversation". Even optimistic and never-say-die me doesn't want that to happen at this point per se, but I can't say I'd be disappointed to see some wins and something to cheer about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted March 9, 2017 Author Share Posted March 9, 2017 The Devils are terrible and are not going to miss the playoffs by 5 points. They're currently 11 points out and the Islanders have a game in hand on the Devils. Even winning 4 straight won't put the Devils back in the conversation of anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDfan1711 Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 2 hours ago, Triumph said: The Devils are terrible and are not going to miss the playoffs by 5 points. They're currently 11 points out and the Islanders have a game in hand on the Devils. Even winning 4 straight won't put the Devils back in the conversation of anything. I'm not saying it's likely by any means, I'm just saying that would be our luck. We get hot at the end when it doesn't matter, and end up missing by just a little bit again. FYI, if we're 11 out at the moment, and go on a 4 game streak, that's 8 points and would put us 3 behind them. With their game and hand, assuming they won it, that puts them 5 out, and I think most of us can agree that 5pts is considered in the conversation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisis Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 28 minutes ago, NJDfan1711 said: I'm not saying it's likely by any means, I'm just saying that would be our luck. We get hot at the end when it doesn't matter, and end up missing by just a little bit again. FYI, if we're 11 out at the moment, and go on a 4 game streak, that's 8 points and would put us 3 behind them. With their game and hand, assuming they won it, that puts them 5 out, and I think most of us can agree that 5pts is considered in the conversation And that's assuming they lose those 4 straight games that we win? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted March 9, 2017 Author Share Posted March 9, 2017 3 hours ago, Crisis said: And that's assuming they lose those 4 straight games that we win? And Toronto loses all their games too. Please keep talk of the playoffs out of this thread. It is not about delusion, there are plenty of other threads for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njd3b1ink Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Well losing tonights game, a game they really should have won is big if you're a fan of Tanksville. Trying to look on the bright side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted March 10, 2017 Author Share Posted March 10, 2017 At points tonight looked bad, but everything kinda turned out the Devils' way. Standings expressed in games above or below .500. I put Arizona on here just to show you that even if the Devils lose in regulation to Arizona, they will be 5 games ahead of Arizona and are virtually a lock to be ahead of them at season's end. CAR: 0 BUF: -1 WIN: -2 VAN: -2 DAL: -3 DET: -4 NJD: -5 ARI: -12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDfan1711 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 18 hours ago, Crisis said: And that's assuming they lose those 4 straight games that we win? Yes :-p Obviously us winning 4 straight would be more than a longshot, it would be a miracle, but hey, if we were to do that, it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility for them to lose 4 straight too lol. But alas, we lost anyway, to the lowly Avs, so it's a moot point. It's looking like we might end up in a tie with the Wings. They don't seem to want to win lately either. And funny enough, I will be in Michigan and going to the last game of the season between the Devils and the Wings. The last game at the Joe. Too bad both of these teams will be playing for nothing, though I'm sure the Wings will want to end with a win in the last game there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0asterleav1ns Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 9 in a row including one to Colorado? I have to admit I didn't think they had a run like this in them.... Now watch we lose the draft lottery and get bumped down a few spots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derlique Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Well- Zajac wont play tomorrow due to birth of his third child. I like AZ's chances! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derlique Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Detroit with a huge win vs the Hawks last night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Well- Zajac wont play tomorrow due to birth of his third child. I like AZ's chances! At least it's for a positive reason- congrats to Travis!Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted March 11, 2017 Author Share Posted March 11, 2017 Sportsclubstats now says: 26% chance the Devils finish 25th or better 14% chance of finishing 26th 21% chance of finishing 27th 35% chance of finishing 28th 5% chance of finishing 29th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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