Elias Announces Retirement

[MadDog2020]

I agree with Hynes, I think Patty would be a great coach, with how smart a player he was. I could see him as a GM possibly one day too. http://www.northjersey.com/story/sports/nhl/devils/fireandice/2017/04/03/hynes-believes-elias-would-make-good-coach/99974286/

 

 

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[mfitz804]

14 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

I agree with Hynes, I think Patty would be a great coach, with how smart a player he was. I could see him as a GM possibly one day too. http://www.northjersey.com/story/sports/nhl/devils/fireandice/2017/04/03/hynes-believes-elias-would-make-good-coach/99974286/

 

 

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Will he still wear his oddly colored, super skinny tailored suits?

[Derek21]

I don't post my stuff. But this is an exception. My tribute to Patrik Elias:

Pattys Last Lap: All-time Devil Hall of Fame in my book

[Joonas #6]

On 3. huhtikuuta 2017 at 0:27 AM, Devilsfan118 said:

Another one of my favorite goals from that 2003 cup run.  Totally froze the future playoff MVP:

 

 

 

That'd be a 100% offside challenge today. 

[andy]

Anyone who played NHL 98-00 remember how the announcer pronounced Elias?  Used to sound like Elios pizza.  

[mfitz804]

45 minutes ago, andy said:

Anyone who played NHL 98-00 remember how the announcer pronounced Elias?  Used to sound like Elios pizza.  

You mean like how John MacLean still says it?

[RunninWithTheDevil]

15 hours ago, andy said:

Anyone who played NHL 98-00 remember how the announcer pronounced Elias?  Used to sound like Elios pizza.  

NHL Faceoff 99 had Doc and Darren Pang. Miss that game

[jagknife]

9 hours ago, RunninWithTheDevil said:

NHL Faceoff 99 had Doc and Darren Pang. Miss that game

He was as awkward in that as he is in 17, ah memories

[RunninWithTheDevil]

5 hours ago, jagknife said:

He was as awkward in that as he is in 17, ah memories

it wasnt bad for 1999 AI.    989 sports got a bad rap

[sundstrom]

for those that don't follow normally, it's worth a listen to Devils Tailgate Podcast from this morning and their interview w/ Elias. Some interesting tidbits.

There's some good honesty there - especially about Lou and how they didn't always see eye to eye.

Some nice talk about his experience pre-draft and at the draft.

He gives shout outs to players from early in his career that were important to him - Brad Bombadir, Chris McAlpine.

Talks about Brendan Morrison and what a good friend - to this day - that he is.

if you don't follow @devilsinsiders on twitter, it's certainly worth it and i would encourage the podcasts as well.

[mfitz804]

8 minutes ago, sundstrom said:

for those that don't follow normally, it's worth a listen to Devils Tailgate Podcast from this morning and their interview w/ Elias. Some interesting tidbits.

There's some good honesty there - especially about Lou and how they didn't always see eye to eye.

Some nice talk about his experience pre-draft and at the draft.

He gives shout outs to players from early in his career that were important to him - Brad Bombadir, Chris McAlpine.

Talks about Brendan Morrison and what a good friend - to this day - that he is.

if you don't follow @devilsinsiders on twitter, it's certainly worth it and i would encourage the podcasts as well.

I'll always consider him one of the ones who got away. Not that we didn't get back value, and I think you have to make that trade if its available. But he went on to have a pretty nice career and we got a guy that was gone after one season. 

[MadDog2020]

I'll always consider him one of the ones who got away. Not that we didn't get back value, and I think you have to make that trade if its available. But he went on to have a pretty nice career and we got a guy that was gone after one season. 

True- but we won a Cup and got to the Finals with Mogilny before he left- hard to regret that deal too much. Although you're right, Morrison went on to a nice career with Vancouver.


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[mfitz804]

2 hours ago, MadDog2020 said:

True- but we won a Cup and got to the Finals with Mogilny before he left- hard to regret that deal too much. Although you're right, Morrison went on to a nice career with Vancouver.

Right, you had to make that trade without question. I would have done it every time, its not like I am saying its a bad trade, it wasn't. It was a very good trade. 

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

2 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

Right, you had to make that trade without question. I would have done it every time, its not like I am saying its a bad trade, it wasn't. It was a very good trade. 

Also remember that Morrison didn't want to be a Devil at that point.  He had demanded a trade. 

Morrison was a nice player who had a pretty good career, but not someone I regret the Devils losing too much...especially since he didn't want to be here.

[mfitz804]

55 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Also remember that Morrison didn't want to be a Devil at that point.  He had demanded a trade. 

Morrison was a nice player who had a pretty good career, but not someone I regret the Devils losing too much...especially since he didn't want to be here.

If we got rid of every guy who didn't want to be a Devil over the years...

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

33 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

If we got rid of every guy who didn't want to be a Devil over the years...

Oh sure, some guys can be temporarily disgruntled and get back on board in time (Marty was one of them...after he signed with the Devils in 1995 after a very difficult negotiation process, he said he would never sign another contract to stay with the Devils...we know how that turned out).  Morrison didn't strike me as being of the "I was pissed but now I'm OK"-type though, as far as how he felt about Lou goes. 

[DevsMan84]

4 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Oh sure, some guys can be temporarily disgruntled and get back on board in time (Marty was one of them...after he signed with the Devils in 1995 after a very difficult negotiation process, he said he would never sign another contract to stay with the Devils...we know how that turned out).  Morrison didn't strike me as being of the "I was pissed but now I'm OK"-type though, as far as how he felt about Lou goes. 

Didn't Stevens sign an offer sheet with the Blues that was matched or he was discussing contract terms with the Blues around the 1995/96 timeframe?

While Morrison was a solid player, I wonder how much his stats was padded being on the same line as in their primes Naslund and Bertuzzi.

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

15 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

Didn't Stevens sign an offer sheet with the Blues that was matched or he was discussing contract terms with the Blues around the 1995/96 timeframe?

While Morrison was a solid player, I wonder how much his stats was padded being on the same line as in their primes Naslund and Bertuzzi.

Yeah, Stevens signed an offer sheet in 1994 with the Blues, and Lou (a little begrudgingly) matched it.  Blues later got busted for tampering with Stevens, as a result of events that preceded the offer sheet:

http://www.nytimes.com/1999/01/05/sports/hockey-devils-get-1.4-million-and-draft-pick-in-tampering-case.html 

Edited April 6, 2017 by Colorado Rockies 1976

[Antiquated Colorado Rockie]

And of course originally in 1991, Stevens didn't want to be a Devil in the first place after being awarded as compensation for Shanny (which in fairness was quite a curveball for him and he did eventually report to training camp.)

[DevsMan84]

6 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Yeah, Stevens signed an offer sheet in 1994 with the Blues, and Lou (a little begrudgingly) matched it.  Blues later got busted for tampering with Stevens, as a result of events that preceded the offer sheet:

http://www.nytimes.com/1999/01/05/sports/hockey-devils-get-1.4-million-and-draft-pick-in-tampering-case.html 

Thanks for the article and interesting how that all unfolded.  I agree with Lou that the penalty was definitely not severe enough for something of this nature, but I think the fact that by the time the ruling came down from the league there was different ownership/management by the Blues had something to do with it.

I am surprised that Lou did not banish Stevens to Siberia or trade him away the instant he found concrete evidence about this tampering.  For that to work both parties (Blues and Stevens) had to have colluded together prior to him being a RFA.  Was it ever clarified why Lou just continued on or maybe perhaps Lou figured it was Stevens' agent and not Scott himself?

[DevsMan84]

4 minutes ago, Antiquated Colorado Rockie said:

And of course originally in 1991, Stevens didn't want to be a Devil in the first place after being awarded as compensation for Shanny (which in fairness was quite a curveball for him and he did eventually report to training camp.)

And from what I remember Lou also had a minor mutiny going on in the locker room lead by Muller and to an extent Daneyko.  The players felt that if the Devils could take on Stevens' then mega-contract then the Devils could afford to give them a little more.  IIRC, Muller was the one who pushed the hardest and wanted to re-negotiate his contract but instead Lou shipped him out.  That pretty much ended the mutiny.

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

10 minutes ago, Antiquated Colorado Rockie said:

And of course originally in 1991, Stevens didn't want to be a Devil in the first place after being awarded as compensation for Shanny (which in fairness was quite a curveball for him and he did eventually report to training camp.)

Yeah, been brought up on here before, but I don't blame Stevens for being annoyed...he had just bought (I want to say had a house custom-built) a home in the St. Louis area and was only one year into his long-term deal there.  It's not like he wanted to leave one bit, or was mentally prepared for it.  But he did have a hell of a change of heart.

 

9 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

Thanks for the article and interesting how that all unfolded.  I agree with Lou that the penalty was definitely not severe enough for something of this nature, but I think the fact that by the time the ruling came down from the league there was different ownership/management by the Blues had something to do with it.

I am surprised that Lou did not banish Stevens to Siberia or trade him away the instant he found concrete evidence about this tampering.  For that to work both parties (Blues and Stevens) had to have colluded together prior to him being a RFA.  Was it ever clarified why Lou just continued on or maybe perhaps Lou figured it was Stevens' agent and not Scott himself?

The last sentence of the article:  Lamoriello said that Stevens was unaware of the illegal dealings.

No way to know for sure of course, but I guess the agent was the one indeed up to shenanigans (along with the Blues of course). 

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

9 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

And from what I remember Lou also had a minor mutiny going on in the locker room lead by Muller and to an extent Daneyko.  The players felt that if the Devils could take on Stevens' then mega-contract then the Devils could afford to give them a little more.  IIRC, Muller was the one who pushed the hardest and wanted to re-negotiate his contract but instead Lou shipped him out.  That pretty much ended the mutiny.

It was more than a minor mutiny...that one got ugly.  I still don't know how the hell Lou maneuvered through that one, I really don't.  The daily articles at that time were painful to read.  To Lou's credit, he more or less told every GM who condescendingly told him "Stevens is never going to play for you guys, so why don't you take what I'm offering?" to go fvck themselves.

[MadDog2020]

It was more than a minor mutiny...that one got ugly.  I still don't know how the hell Lou maneuvered through that one, I really don't.  The daily articles at that time were painful to read.  To Lou's credit, he more or less told every GM who condescendingly told him "Stevens is never going to play for you guys, so why don't you take what I'm offering?" to go fvck themselves.

And not only did Lou ship out Muller- he shipped him out for Stephane Richer... Not a bad deal eh? [emoji14]

That was the quintessential great deal for both teams, as both went on to win Cups not long after.

 

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[NJDfan1711]

21 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

Thanks for the article and interesting how that all unfolded.  I agree with Lou that the penalty was definitely not severe enough for something of this nature, but I think the fact that by the time the ruling came down from the league there was different ownership/management by the Blues had something to do with it.

I am surprised that Lou did not banish Stevens to Siberia or trade him away the instant he found concrete evidence about this tampering.  For that to work both parties (Blues and Stevens) had to have colluded together prior to him being a RFA.  Was it ever clarified why Lou just continued on or maybe perhaps Lou figured it was Stevens' agent and not Scott himself?

The very end of the article said Stevens was unaware of the illegal dealings, which I find very hard to believe, but at the same time I can see why Lou said "fvck it" and not make a big deal about it and decide not to make his life hell.  Maybe he knew ahead of time Stevens was going to be one of the saviors of our team, and a leader for decades.  Maybe he was also really confident he would win the case too, and that as enough compensation.  Why go after a guy who is your own player at that point, which just ends up hurting you and your team, when you can go after the people who caused it?

With all of that said, I find it extremely comical to the utmost degree, that Lou wanted 5 1st round picks lol.  I mean how much more cut throat does it get?  That's such a Lou move.  I mean, sure it was a sh!tty thing to do and was definitely against the rules, but c'mon, it's a business.  I think some money and a 1st round pick was plenty fair.