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3 minutes ago, Martyisth3b3st said:

I don't get the Shattenkirk hate... he hasn't looked fantastic, but he's playing major minutes against the defending cup champs and the best player in the world. He's still leaps and bounds better than anyone else we have, and slides into #1D and PPQB immediately. 

It's just how internet message boards is I guess.  One minute the player is hot sh!t and the next minute it's lolz he sucks because of a few games.

You are 100% correct he is leaps and bounds better than any other D we have currently in the lineup or in our pipeline.

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5 minutes ago, Devilsfan118 said:

He's still better than anyone we have. 

He's a free asset that hopefully won't break the bank.  If he wants to come here, you have to get him.

That's another thing... if he "breaks the bank", who cares? We paid Mark Savard $6m this season. The NHL cap hit is going up every single year, and we've taken on plenty of bad contracts that haven't left us cap-stretched. We haven't been a "close to the cap" team in a while, and I can't see why we'd worry about that when the majority of our talent is going to be on entry level or RFA deals for the 6-7 years that Shattenkirk is signed. Give him 1m more per year than anyone else is offering, and smile in the fact that you've landed a top NHL talent at the cost of no assets. 

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Kolvachuk is not better than Palmieri at this point. The unknown probably plays well for Kovalchuk's trade value since he is most likely a 50 point PP guy in the NHL now that is terrible defensively. NJ getting a 1st at this point would be great.

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Who's hating on Shattenkirk? I just don't want to have to throw a ridiculous contract at him to get him and that's what I think its going to take. Hes absolutely better than anyone we have. That's not saying much though, and if its going to take a 6 or 7 year deal to sign him, with a full ntc, im not interested. That's it.

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Do the Schneider trade then fleece the NHL and the open market by grabbing Bishop. 

Bishop w/ Kari as backup, and the 3rd overall. Sign Shattenkirk and Oshie, sign and trade Kovy then march to the playoffs. 

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59 minutes ago, Martyisth3b3st said:

That's another thing... if he "breaks the bank", who cares? We paid Mark Savard $6m this season. The NHL cap hit is going up every single year, and we've taken on plenty of bad contracts that haven't left us cap-stretched. We haven't been a "close to the cap" team in a while, and I can't see why we'd worry about that when the majority of our talent is going to be on entry level or RFA deals for the 6-7 years that Shattenkirk is signed. Give him 1m more per year than anyone else is offering, and smile in the fact that you've landed a top NHL talent at the cost of no assets. 

Nitpick (sorry) but "we" paid Savard $575K; the cap hit was $4-ish though.  

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The problem is, Shattenkirk is not a #1 defensemen, and has some holes in his game.  However, he is going to get paid like one on July1, and the expectations for this guy are going to be through the roof, no matter what team he signs with.  Unfortunately, he will never live up to his contract or the expectations that come with it, even though those expectations are unfair and unrealistic. 

That said, we absolutely should try to sign him in FA.  Like others have already said, he is better than anything we have on our roster.  Moreover, we have absolutely nothing in our system other than Rykov, who is likely at least 2 years from coming over from Russia.  I still don't think he will sign here, but it's worth the shot at this point.  His down playoffs is not ideal for him, but it doesn't diminish the player he is or what he has done in his career to date.  In fact, it might actually work to our advantage a bit and bring down the overall price on his deal a little.    

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7 minutes ago, TheMazz said:

Do the Schneider trade then fleece the NHL and the open market by grabbing Bishop. 

Bishop w/ Kari as backup, and the 3rd overall. Sign Shattenkirk and Oshie, sign and trade Kovy then march to the playoffs. 

It sounds nice in theory, but it's never going to happen.  I just don't think Dallas would do that deal, even though it might make some sense for them. 

I have to say though, the Hockey News article brought up a very intriguing possibility.  I'd hate to trade Cory, but it makes too much sense if we could get the #3, use it to draft MIttlestadt or the top D on the board, then find a way to pickup a goalie in the offseason by way of trade or FA signing.  What scares me is that Shero wouldn't go for Bishop, but instead would make a trade with Pitt for Fleury.  He's definitely upping his value these playoffs, and Pitt needs to move him or risk losing Murray in the expansion draft.  It lines up perfectly for Ray to bring in another Pen to the org, which he loves to do.

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37 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

FWIW, the Daily Mail is a UK publication so they probably don't know any better.  Most likely they saw he played in the NHL which is the highest league in the world for hockey and assume anyone playing in it is a star.

Which is actually very true in the grand scheme of things. 

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2 hours ago, Chuck the Duck said:

The problem is, Shattenkirk is not a #1 defensemen, and has some holes in his game.  However, he is going to get paid like one on July1, and the expectations for this guy are going to be through the roof, no matter what team he signs with.  Unfortunately, he will never live up to his contract or the expectations that come with it, even though those expectations are unfair and unrealistic. 

That said, we absolutely should try to sign him in FA.  Like others have already said, he is better than anything we have on our roster.  Moreover, we have absolutely nothing in our system other than Rykov, who is likely at least 2 years from coming over from Russia.  I still don't think he will sign here, but it's worth the shot at this point.  His down playoffs is not ideal for him, but it doesn't diminish the player he is or what he has done in his career to date.  In fact, it might actually work to our advantage a bit and bring down the overall price on his deal a little.    

If he's not one of the 31 best dmen, he's certainly among the best #2's at 5v5. He's top tier on the PP. Every player has holes in his game to some degree. He's definitely one of the better UFA dmen in recent memory. 

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Is Kevin Shattenkirk perfect? No

Do we have anyone better than Kevin Shattenkirk? No

Do we have anyone that projects to be better than Kevin Shattenkirk? No

Shattenkirk isn't a perfect player by any means, but an offensive defenseman of his ilk is nothing to scoff at. When you look at how bad the Devils were at transitioning and getting offense from their defense last year, you'd be dumb to say no to signing Shattenkirk if he gives any inclination of wanting to sign here.

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8 hours ago, DevsMan84 said:

FWIW, the Daily Mail is a UK publication so they probably don't know any better.  Most likely they saw he played in the NHL which is the highest league in the world for hockey and assume anyone playing in it is a star.

and yet the Daily Mail still probably knows more about hockey than ESPN.  

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2 hours ago, CommonDreads said:

Is Kevin Shattenkirk perfect? No

Do we have anyone better than Kevin Shattenkirk? No

Do we have anyone that projects to be better than Kevin Shattenkirk? No

Shattenkirk isn't a perfect player by any means, but an offensive defenseman of his ilk is nothing to scoff at. When you look at how bad the Devils were at transitioning and getting offense from their defense last year, you'd be dumb to say no to signing Shattenkirk if he gives any inclination of wanting to sign here.

 

So you would sign him for 7 years at 7.5 million with a full ntc for the length of the contract if that's what it takes? Just curious.

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56 minutes ago, Toasterleavins said:

So you would sign him for 7 years at 7.5 million with a full ntc for the length of the contract if that's what it takes? Just curious.

Too many years, IMHO. I might give him 5. 

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1 hour ago, mfitz804 said:

Too many years, IMHO. I might give him 5. 

Problem is term might kill a deal as well.  Like most teams we want him in his prime years, not decline years. If he signed he is automatically our No. 1 D man.  I hope Ray makes a strong  effort to sign him.  Spooner-meh he could help offensively but what do you give to get him?  3rd rounder is reasonable.

BTW, I'm hoping we're able to get Joey Anderson's lil brother.(D man)  I think he's # 50 in rankings. 

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6 hours ago, Toasterleavins said:

 

So you would sign him for 7 years at 7.5 million with a full ntc for the length of the contract if that's what it takes? Just curious.

I would prefer a 5 or 6 year deal. I believe he is 28. So the contract would end when he is 33 or 34. I wouldn't mind that

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