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40 minutes ago, Devilsfan118 said:

I still think you guys are underestimating his value as a sign-and-trade.

Assuming Kovalchuk is receptive to go anywhere (which, if he returns this year, he needs to be) then the bidding war will be very real.  Especially considering we can retain half his salary.

Teams will literally jump at the chance to add a top-6 elite scoring winger on a bargain contract.

I agree.  If we are really allowed to sign him to a contract and then turn around and flip him at 50% retained, that's going to be a valuable asset to a lot of teams.  Unfortunately, I have a hard time believing the NHL will let it be that easy.    

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38 minutes ago, Lateralous said:

I agree.  If we are really allowed to sign him to a contract and then turn around and flip him at 50% retained, that's going to be a valuable asset to a lot of teams.  Unfortunately, I have a hard time believing the NHL will let it be that easy.    

I mean, what're they gonna do?  Fine us a couple million bucks and dock us a few picks?  ;)

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Someone mentioned this somewhere else but I think the best thing would be a trade with a conditional pick.  Devils get a 2018 2nd if that team misses the playoffs, they get a 3rd if Kovalchuk is traded, and they get a 1st if that team makes the playoffs and Kovalchuk plays 40+ games (otherwise they just get a 2nd).

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Another thing I think we've been missing here, which I've seen discussed elsewhere, is that Kovy would want to get back in now so as to avoid having to sign a 35+ contract, which teams will be less indulgent with.  If true, it's more leverage for Shero. 

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A 35+ contract is better for Kovalchuk as it can contain performance bonuses.  Dude's not likely to get a long-term deal in the NHL as it is.

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2 hours ago, Triumph said:

A 35+ contract is better for Kovalchuk as it can contain performance bonuses.  Dude's not likely to get a long-term deal in the NHL as it is.

I thought all contracts could contain bonuses?  Pretty sure someone (a young, well known star, I can't remember the name) was traded earlier this year at the deadline because he was going to be owed bonuses.

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13 minutes ago, NJDfan1711 said:

I thought all contracts could contain bonuses?  Pretty sure someone (a young, well known star, I can't remember the name) was traded earlier this year at the deadline because he was going to be owed bonuses.

ELC and 35+ can contain bonuses. It's so the superstar young guys don't get totally screwed for 3 years of ELC and so teams can hedge their bets on the older players. 

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3 minutes ago, Devils731 said:

ELC and 35+ can contain bonuses. It's so the superstar young guys don't get totally screwed for 3 years of ELC and so teams can hedge their bets on the older players. 

Gotcha, I thought they all good for some reason, but the player I was thinking of must have been a young guy still on an ELC like you mentioned. Thanks for the info.

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On 05/02/2017 at 6:02 PM, Triumph said:

Someone mentioned this somewhere else but I think the best thing would be a trade with a conditional pick.  Devils get a 2018 2nd if that team misses the playoffs, they get a 3rd if Kovalchuk is traded, and they get a 1st if that team makes the playoffs and Kovalchuk plays 40+ games (otherwise they just get a 2nd).

So absolute best case scenario is a 15th overall pick? No thanks. The much smarter gamble is keeping him through to the trade deadline.

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42 minutes ago, thecoffeecake said:

So absolute best case scenario is a 15th overall pick? No thanks. The much smarter gamble is keeping him through to the trade deadline.

Yeah, good luck on threading this needle of 

A: Kovalchuk wanting to sign here and play here

B:  Kovalchuk being good

C:  Team being bad

D:  Kovalchuk not having an NTC-NMC

You're right, that's a much smarter gamble.

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41 minutes ago, Triumph said:

Yeah, good luck on threading this needle of 

A: Kovalchuk wanting to sign here and play here

B:  Kovalchuk being good

C:  Team being bad

D:  Kovalchuk not having an NTC-NMC

You're right, that's a much smarter gamble.

He doesn't have to want to play here. He does it Shero's way or stays in Russia.

Shero isn't going to piss away a potentially huge asset for next to nothing.

Yea, the smart money is on Kovalchuk still being a special offensive talent. Even if he came over and put up 40 points, he's worth a 2nd.

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6 minutes ago, thecoffeecake said:

He doesn't have to want to play here. He does it Shero's way or stays in Russia.

Shero isn't going to piss away a potentially huge asset for next to nothing.

Yea, the smart money is on Kovalchuk still being a special offensive talent. Even if he came over and put up 40 points, he's worth a 2nd.

I think it would serve Shero best to attempt to talk Kovy into returning to NJ. With Kovy back, Hall up front, Shattenkirk possibly coming aboard, and a more than solid center in Nolan Patrick, we're starting to cook with some gas and suddenly the possibilities start to come into focus.

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52 minutes ago, thecoffeecake said:

He doesn't have to want to play here. He does it Shero's way or stays in Russia.

Shero isn't going to piss away a potentially huge asset for next to nothing.

Yea, the smart money is on Kovalchuk still being a special offensive talent. Even if he came over and put up 40 points, he's worth a 2nd.

How much do you think 34 year old rental wingers get?  Calgary got very little for Jarome Iginla when they dealt him and he only was a year older and Jarome f-ing Iginla.  He had an NTC and used it.  This idea that the Devils can just sign Kovalchuk to whatever and he'll just contentedly stay here waiting for his deadline deal - it's just not very realistic.

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5 hours ago, Triumph said:

How much do you think 34 year old rental wingers get?  Calgary got very little for Jarome Iginla when they dealt him and he only was a year older and Jarome f-ing Iginla.  He had an NTC and used it.  This idea that the Devils can just sign Kovalchuk to whatever and he'll just contentedly stay here waiting for his deadline deal - it's just not very realistic.

Iginla was on a definite decline when he left Calgary, even if comparing him to Kovalchuk meant anything.  Nothing suggests Kovalchuk isn't still one of the most explosive and gifted offensive talents in hockey. To assume his value is that of a guy like Iginla,  that's absolutely baseless. Kovalchuk is very likely still a game changer at this level.

This idea that Kovalchuk gets to dictate exactly how this plays out is far less realistic than him signing with the team with whom his rights are still held. Once under contract, what options are you suggesting he has? He plays here until Shero decides to move him, or he stays in Russia. Very, very simple.

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This may have been mentioned already but I didn't feel like going back through this thread to see if it was already said. If anyone is interested Hockey Central at Noon had Ray Shero on the other day and it was a good listen. He talks briefly about Kovalchuk and basically just says he's going to reach out to Kovalchuk and his agent this week. There's also a few good quotes in there about the draft. They talk about the Devils head scout, and Jeff Marek says he's hearing the Devils are leaning towards Hischier.

 

if anyone is interested in listening you can find it on the podcast app on iPhones. Just search Hockey Central @ Noon and it's the episode from May 1st

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hall-Zajac-Kovy

Zacha-Henrique-Palms

Quinneville-Patrik-Blandisi (boys are back in town line)

Wood-Speers-bennett

 

i don't think that would be all that good, but it would be fun. 

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One other thing to consider here is that we're going to potentially have a pretty young locker room next year.. or so I hope.

Shero had best confirm we're getting the Jacques Lemaire Kovalchuk, the one who bought into the system and did what he had to do for the team, and not the John MacLean version, the one that skipped team meetings and pretty much did as he pleased both on and off the ice.

The last thing we need is a cancer in the locker room around the kids.

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26 minutes ago, Steadevils said:

hall-Zajac-Kovy

Zacha-Henrique-Palms

Quinneville-Patrik-Blandisi (boys are back in town line)

Wood-Speers-bennett

 

i don't think that would be all that good, but it would be fun. 

I was literally just going to do the same thing and post a mock lineup with both Kovy and Patrick in it lol.  I actually like those combinations a TON.  Bennet is much better on the 4th line if you ask me, and he has other suitable pairings in Speers and Wood.  I also love putting youth together and guy who have had previous chemistry (i.e. Quennville/Blandisi/Patrick).  

Sign Shattenkirk to bolster our blue line and suddenly our bleak roster is looking full and pretty talented.  

Also, this isn't even considering McCleod, who could (and I hope) actually makes the roster this year too.

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8 hours ago, thecoffeecake said:

Iginla was on a definite decline when he left Calgary, even if comparing him to Kovalchuk meant anything.  Nothing suggests Kovalchuk isn't still one of the most explosive and gifted offensive talents in hockey. To assume his value is that of a guy like Iginla,  that's absolutely baseless. Kovalchuk is very likely still a game changer at this level.

This idea that Kovalchuk gets to dictate exactly how this plays out is far less realistic than him signing with the team with whom his rights are still held. Once under contract, what options are you suggesting he has? He plays here until Shero decides to move him, or he stays in Russia. Very, very simple.

Haha, the amount of delusion about Kovalchuk among Devils fans is very real.  He's put up one great KHL season.  Radulov has way outscored him in the KHL and he has been on generally worse offensive teams.  Now that great KHL season was this past season so I guess that's a good sign, but even with 4 seasons in the KHL and a lot of playoffless seasons here he has played a ton of hockey.  He is 34.  Almost every player is worse at 34 than they were in their prime; most are considerably worse. 

Kovalchuk gets to dictate how this plays out or else he doesn't sign, it's that simple.  He goes back to Russia and waits a year if he doesn't like the terms he's being offered.

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8 minutes ago, Triumph said:

Haha, the amount of delusion about Kovalchuk among Devils fans is very real.  He's put up one great KHL season.  Radulov has way outscored him in the KHL and he has been on generally worse offensive teams.  Now that great KHL season was this past season so I guess that's a good sign, but even with 4 seasons in the KHL and a lot of playoffless seasons here he has played a ton of hockey.  He is 34.  Almost every player is worse at 34 than they were in their prime; most are considerably worse. 

Kovalchuk gets to dictate how this plays out or else he doesn't sign, it's that simple.  He goes back to Russia and waits a year if he doesn't like the terms he's being offered.

It works both ways.  Kovy doesn't have to go anywhere he doesn't want to go, and the Devils don't have to bring him back in the first place if he attempts to limit their ability to trade him to teams they don' want to move him to.  He obviously doesn't want to go back and play another year in Russia if he legitimately is trying to get back in the NHL.  Like Congress, both sides need to work together and come to a compromise to make it work.  However, like Congress, there is a high probability of dysfunction in the system with both sides getting entrenched in their position, which will lead to an impasse that has Kovy returning to Russia for 1 more season.

At the end of the day, if Kovy said to the Devils, I will only go to the Rags, then I would tell him to enjoy the Borst in St. Petersburg for the next year as he can go F himself.  He's not going to dictate how this goes.  However, if he gives a list of teams, I would work out the best deal I could and possibly package other assets to make him part of a larger deal.  He is a free asset, and it would be stupid not to get what we can for him.    

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6 minutes ago, Chuck the Duck said:

 He is a free asset, and it would be stupid not to get what we can for him.    

With the caveat that it has to be a return worth getting.  A second round pick -- presumably from a good team -- likely doesn't get it done, unless the idea is that you want to control where he goes, i.e. you may just take a low return from a team like San Jose (just as an example) now so you don't run the risk of him playing for the Rangers next year.

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Chuck:  Yeah, of course, obviously Shero won't send him to the Rangers unless he gets a huge return, but unless Kovalchuk really misses the NHL, it'll be hard to strong arm him into taking any deal he doesn't want.

I don't care if Kovalchuk plays for the Rangers in 2018-19.  Neither should Shero.

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I know it's the off season but I just can't get interested in this topic. Loved the guy when he was here, was disappointed when he left and simply don't care what happens next when it comes to him. 

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