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30 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

lol fairly safe assumption.   I am puzzled as not sure if his post was a dig at jersey collectors or a legit question.

Agreed. I usually understand when he says FIRE HYNES but this one I'm not sure about. 

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From '7' in the offseason thread (replying to it here):

There is no way any research went into this. if they truly researched and explored and put real thought into this then nothing would change. This looks to have been a very very secretive process done behind closed doors by somebody who is very stubborn and divorced from reality. It just feels like Hugh Weber was the main person driving this.

I don't think they even allowed anybody into the room who would shrug and say let's stick with the old/nicer jersey.

 

Sadly '7', I do think they researched this, but though faulty research simply came up with the wrong conclusions.

I think some of the individuals involved with researching and brainstorming were watching the home crowds attending Devils games and saw some fans (in the grand scheme, a VERY small amount) wearing Rockies and Scouts gear, and assumed that there was much more interest in the franchise's prior iterations than there really is.

If they had done some other kinds of research (polls and questionnaires), they would have found:

1) Most Devils fans currently don't know much about the Rockies or Scouts, if they're even aware of them at all.

2) Most Devils fans don't CARE to know much about the Rockies or Scouts, and never will.  Those teams existed for a total of eight seasons back from 1974-1982, and were awful for all of them (even with a 1978 playoff appearance).  Whatever relevance they might have had is pretty much non-existent now, and the Devils don't even count any of Scouts or Rockies statistics in with their own.  The Scouts and Rockies are little more than just a random curiosity for a very select group of fans that eats up hockey history...the same ones that check out Seals/Golden Seals and Cleveland Barons stuff.  It's way too small of a group to ever consider catering to. 

3) Those who actually do take an active interest in the Rockies and Scouts (like me) didn't necessarily want to see aspects of those jerseys make their way into the jersey redesign.  I'm guessing 80% of the fans who saw the jersey breakdown graphic had to look up what Scouts and Rockies jerseys looked like to even have an idea as to what inspired the nods...and of course, I'm sure that 99% asked, "The Newark WHO?!"

4) If Devils fans had any interest in any prior jersey's design specs making it into a redesign, they would've liked to have possibly seen some nods to the red and greens (perhaps some green thrown into the color mix, or a shoulder yoke pattern similar to the Xmas classics, etc), but that's where it would end.  At least that design actually means something to a nice chuck of fans, especially now that they're once again highly visible due to Retro Nights.  Of course, the one "bone" the designer(s) actually throw us from that era is in an area that can't even be seen...so basically THREE eras of hockey history that mean next to nothing to the majority of the fanbase were given priority over the ONE era that actually had something meaningful to do with the New Jersey Devils.   

5) If given a choice, most Devils fans would've preferred that the red and black design simply remained 100% intact, with no changes at all.

So this is a way of saying if they had conducted PROPER research and gotten a much better feel for what the fanbase really wanted, then we would've gotten either a largely intact, basically untouched "new" jersey, or a hybrid redesign that would've combined elements from the red and greens with the red and blacks.  Either would've gone over much better than the pajama floaties...there's no disputing that. 

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I think the McMullen Night patches might have skewed their thinking.  Everyone raved about that patch and with the Devils basically making it near impossible to get unless you get a game worn or game issued (or using a ton of points as a STH), there was no way to get one.  Since it had heavy Rockies influence in there they might have assumed that anything Rockies = good.

The increase of Rockies interest has gone up in the last 7-8 years.  I used to wear my Rockies jersey to the game and usually I was the only one with one on.  Sometimes there would maybe be one or at best two other people and that's it.  Most had no clue who the team was and would stop me and ask who they were.  They would often be blown away that the Devils were not some expansion team in 82 but moved to NJ.

Now, these days, I see about 5-10 people per game wearing a Rockies or even Scouts jersey.  Not a huge increase but still an increase lol.

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I actually firmly believe the new uniforms were meant to be red and green instead of the black, and when that rumor got out there the team pulled back the reigns a little bit because of the blow back. I think the design actually makes way more sense in green, which is why in black it feels kinda incomplete, but ownership likely got cold feet on the switch to green which I 100% think was on the table from the get go.

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18 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

I think the McMullen Night patches might have skewed their thinking.  Everyone raved about that patch and with the Devils basically making it near impossible to get unless you get a game worn or game issued (or using a ton of points as a STH), there was no way to get one.  Since it had heavy Rockies influence in there they might have assumed that anything Rockies = good.

The increase of Rockies interest has gone up in the last 7-8 years.  I used to wear my Rockies jersey to the game and usually I was the only one with one on.  Sometimes there would maybe be one or at best two other people and that's it.  Most had no clue who the team was and would stop me and ask who they were.  They would often be blown away that the Devils were not some expansion team in 82 but moved to NJ.

Now, these days, I see about 5-10 people per game wearing a Rockies or even Scouts jersey.  Not a huge increase but still an increase lol.

It has, but you like you said, it's a very tiny bit...I think M&N versions (the Paiement and Ramage jerseys) started to get the ball rolling, then CCM released more affordable versions, and it kind of went from there...but it's been a very slow growth.  Even now I still get asked by some people what jersey am I wearing when I break out my Scouts or Rockies jerseys.  More than once someone has yelled "Rangers suck" if they see me from a distance wearing a blue Rockies jersey.  One time a guy saw my white Scouts jersey from behind at a Devils-Panthers game (back in the CAA) and kept calling me out for liking the Panthers (?!).  Finally I just said, "Dude, WTF, look at this...this is a KC Scouts jersey...where do you see a panther anywhere?"   

Didn't really think about the McMullen patch being an influence...yeah, may have factored in a little, but I still think the primary catalyst was fans wearing Scouts and Rockies stuff to games.  Even though the number of fans wearing them is minimal (maybe 10-15 max any given night), the blue jerseys do stand out among the reds.

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So, the jerseys that everyone hates have sold out on NHL.com in all but the smallest sizes within a couple of hours (the blank ones, anyway. Pre-customized Hall and choose your own player still available). 

I suppose we don't know how many they had, maybe it was like 10 total. But that seems unlikely. 

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29 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

So, the jerseys that everyone hates have sold out on NHL.com in all but the smallest sizes within a couple of hours (the blank ones, anyway. Pre-customized Hall and choose your own player still available). 

I suppose we don't know how many they had, maybe it was like 10 total. But that seems unlikely. 

I'm not surprised at the early "it's new so I gotta have it" crowd (I think even the Fishsticks and Buffaslugs sold well initially...and the new Nashville ones are also moving).  It's the long-term sales that will be interesting to see...I readily admit that I have no idea how that will turn out. 

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1 minute ago, mfitz804 said:

I ordered one. I am in the "it's new so I have to have it" crowd.

I'll horrify you all with pictures when it arrives. 

Did you get a blank, a Hall, or a different player?

I have a bunch of stuff I need to get sent to Exclusive Pro:

A white Edge 2.0 to be a #21 Palmieri (I have a second white but am going to wait for a while (maybe years) to see who I want to get on that one...could be Butcher, McLeod, someone unforeseen, who knows?)

A red Edge 2.0 to be a #13 Hischier

A blue Rockies #9 McDonald (misspelled MacDonald) that I'm going to have converted to a #9 Lever

A white Rockies to be a #16 Malinowski (told the story before basically I had a conversation with him once and he was just a super-nice and very open guy.  Been a fan of his ever since).

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1 hour ago, sundstrom said:

STH will have ability to buy Authentics for $180 over the next week or so. They have set them aside specifically for that. I also called Exclusive PRO and they say that they can customize them.

FWIW Exclusive pro has confirmed with a few collectors that they will not be customizing the new Adidas jerseys for the Devils.  It was also mentioned previously in the Marketplace thread.

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1 hour ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Did you get a blank, a Hall, or a different player?

Hall. Quicker to receive than a custom player, and still returnable if I feel like it. Free shipping and free return via Shoprunner. 

Just said what the fvck and went for it. 

Blanks were already sold out in my size, I'd have preferred that. 

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1 hour ago, DevsMan84 said:

FWIW Exclusive pro has confirmed with a few collectors that they will not be customizing the new Adidas jerseys for the Devils.  It was also mentioned previously in the Marketplace thread.

interesting - i spoke to someone this morning who said they absolutely would. i'm getting the jersey monday night and expect to send it to EP Tuesday.

coolhockey.com also said they'll do it but they don't know when they can start. They also said it would be $130 including shipping which is much higher than EP has ever charged to do it.

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2 minutes ago, sundstrom said:

interesting - i spoke to someone this morning who said they absolutely would. i'm getting the jersey monday night and expect to send it to EP Tuesday.

coolhockey.com also said they'll do it but they don't know when they can start. They also said it would be $130 including shipping which is much higher than EP has ever charged to do it.

EPS can do it and they are still doing other teams.  However, EPS confirmed they are not doing it for the Devils this season.

Problem is, as another poster pointed out on FB earlier today, judging by the pics from yesterday it looks like the font has changed on the lettering of the new jerseys.  Instead of the nice, bold EPS font they are using the skinny looking font that the Den uses.  If that is what it will be going forward is anyone's guess.

This is why while I plan on getting at least one of the new jerseys (not counting gamers), I am holding off until the customization becomes more clear.

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1 minute ago, DevsMan84 said:

EPS can do it and they are still doing other teams.  However, EPS confirmed they are not doing it for the Devils this season.

Problem is, as another poster pointed out on FB earlier today, judging by the pics from yesterday it looks like the font has changed on the lettering of the new jerseys.  Instead of the nice, bold EPS font they are using the skinny looking font that the Den uses.  If that is what it will be going forward is anyone's guess.

This is why while I plan on getting at least one of the new jerseys (not counting gamers), I am holding off until the customization becomes more clear.

well i literally just called again and said "will you customize the new NJ Devils Adidas jerseys" and they said, yes we will. They quoted $75. So maybe, as you say, they will do it with the lettering/font they have from the past and perhaps it won't be 100% accurate but if it's 98% accurate and unless you have a microscope you can't tell, that will be ok for me. Frankly, the Devils Den font is not as nice as the EPS as you say so perhaps I am improving on the Devils actual jersey ;)

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19 minutes ago, sundstrom said:

well i literally just called again and said "will you customize the new NJ Devils Adidas jerseys" and they said, yes we will. They quoted $75. So maybe, as you say, they will do it with the lettering/font they have from the past and perhaps it won't be 100% accurate but if it's 98% accurate and unless you have a microscope you can't tell, that will be ok for me. Frankly, the Devils Den font is not as nice as the EPS as you say so perhaps I am improving on the Devils actual jersey ;)

You absolutely can tell the difference right away.

The second thing you said is definitely true. 

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new:

https://twitter.com/NJDevils/status/908345185247121408/photo/1

old:

http://www.meigray.com/edealinv/servlet/ExecMacro?nurl=control/StoreItem.vm&ctl_nbr=2381&siId=6881841&catLevel=0&scLevel=&thisCatLevel=&oldParentID=&catParentID=4542&scId=4542

 

I suppose i can see a slight difference in the font (new one looks slightly taller and thinner) but this neither of these are as bad as the ones used at the Devils Den that they heat press on and again, it's not enough that you'd really notice unless you're trying to pawn off as game worn or something. whatever EP does, it won't look like some chinese knock off like this:

devils-071.jpg

 

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