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18 hours ago, MadDog2020 said:

Cutler is signed. Done deal according to Ian Rappaport.


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What do you think of this move?  I think I might've just stuck with Moore...Cutler just seems like a disaster waiting to happen...but guys who have talent (and Cutler does) will get multiple chances.  And there's the Gase connection of course. 

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What do you think of this move?  I think I might've just stuck with Moore...Cutler just seems like a disaster waiting to happen...but guys who have talent (and Cutler does) will get multiple chances.  And there's the Gase connection of course. 

He had his best season under Gase and knows the system, so I don't have any issue with it. I've said before that Matt Moore isn't taking us to the playoffs having to start 16 games, and I believe that, so I'd rather take my chances on a guy like Cutler who's had success with Gase in the past. If it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out. Tannehill should be ready for 2018 if he gets the ACL surgery soon and we move on.


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Just now, MadDog2020 said:

He had his best season under Gase and knows the system, so I don't have any issue with it. I've said before that Matt Moore isn't taking us to the playoffs having to start 16 games, and I believe that, so I'd rather take my chances on a guy like Cutler who's had success with Gase in the past. If it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out. Tannehill should be ready for 2018 if he gets the ACL surgery soon and we move on.

As far as pure upside goes, clearly there's no debate here, as to who could potentially be more productive.  I kind of wonder how Cutler (who's never seemed like an all-in kind of guy) suddenly gets whatever desire back he once had when he seemed perfectly content to move on, but there probably isn't a better environment for him to succeed...and playing half of his games in a warm-weather environment can't hurt. 

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I'm a bigger Matt Moore fan than MD2020.  Still fine with the move.  Cutler gets a base salary of $5 million that could go up to $10 if he gets the starting job.  So he's being paid like a backup who might win the starting job.  If he's good enough to beat out Moore, than he should be the guy. 

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It is a risk worth taking for Miami: Creates competition, and options for Gase to consider. And Cutler is signed for one year, so no long term commitments.

 

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So what happens if Cutler actually does a really good job, and even wins a playoff game?  Does it cause the Dolphins to actually cut bait on Tannehill, which I believe they can do without a lot of cap pain, and sign a Cutler to a long term deal?  It's not that implausible. 

On the other hand, what if the season turns out to be a disaster, and the Dolphins are in a position to draft one of those highly touted QBs?  

I don't know if I'm excited, intrigued or dreading this season.

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13 hours ago, Daniel said:

So what happens if Cutler actually does a really good job, and even wins a playoff game?  Does it cause the Dolphins to actually cut bait on Tannehill, which I believe they can do without a lot of cap pain, and sign a Cutler to a long term deal?  It's not that implausible. 

On the other hand, what if the season turns out to be a disaster, and the Dolphins are in a position to draft one of those highly touted QBs?  

Either one is good....it's if you end up 7-9 to 9-7 and feel almost good enough that sucks......

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Sounds like Raekwon McMillan tore his ACL. Son of a motherfvcking bitch.


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21 hours ago, MadDog2020 said:

Sounds like Raekwon McMillan tore his ACL. Son of a motherfvcking bitch. emoji35.pngemoji35.png


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Confirmed today that's what happened.  Feel worse for the player than the team.  Stinks when it happens before you get a chance to play, but he'll get his chance next year.

Still, things might not be so horrible.  Bills traded Watkins, who would always kill us even if he could barely walk, and it kind of seems they're doing something of a mini-tank.  Cutler apparently has been impressive thus far.  So maybe he won't be that much of a downgrade from Tannehill, if at all.  In Gase we trust, I guess.

But back to the MacMillan injury, I wonder if counter-intuitively, stuff like that might lead to an 18 game season and 2 game preseason.  Sort of like saying, if you're going to get injured, might as well get injured in a game that counts, and when you've had an opportunity to play against real competition.  

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Confirmed today that's what happened.  Feel worse for the player than the team.  Stinks when it happens before you get a chance to play, but he'll get his chance next year.
Still, things might not be so horrible.  Bills traded Watkins, who would always kill us even if he could barely walk, and it kind of seems they're doing something of a mini-tank.  Cutler apparently has been impressive thus far.  So maybe he won't be that much of a downgrade from Tannehill, if at all.  In Gase we trust, I guess.
But back to the MacMillan injury, I wonder if counter-intuitively, stuff like that might lead to an 18 game season and 2 game preseason.  Sort of like saying, if you're going to get injured, might as well get injured in a game that counts, and when you've had an opportunity to play against real competition.  

Yeah it sucks, I really feel for McMillan- kid didn't even get a chance to play a down from scrimmage, it was a freak accident on special teams covering a kick (something some fans have been giving Gase heat for, but it's unwarranted- Zach Thomas and Jason Taylor played on ST's their first couple of years in the league, it's just something that young guys have to do regardless of position). That Watkins deal surprised me, but I am happy to see him go for sure- he may have been injured a lot, but he fvcking killed us all the time and I hated him. Good riddance. They also shipped Ronald Darby out for Jordan Matthews, which is all kinds of weird, but Buffalo is a worse team today and I'm not unhappy about that at all. They DO however now have six picks in the first three rounds of the 2018 draft (two 1's, two 2's, and two 3's), which hopefully they blow, because that's a damn good way to build something if you do it right.


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And just got the notification that Tannehill will be having surgery. No surprise. Absolutely the right move.


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Regarding younger guys having to pay their dues on special teams, I don't know football nuts and bolts all that well, but maybe that's an idea that needs to be tossed aside, sort of like NHL teams finally realizing that having goons is a losing proposition.  Kick off and punt returns seem to have the highest probability of serious injury per play, to the point that they're always talking about getting rid of the kick off entirely.  (Greg Ciano's idea of how to replace the kick off is pretty interesting).  And is there anything about chasing down kicks or punts that made Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas better at linebacker or defensive end than they would have otherwise been?

And while I'm old man yelling at cloud, there should be special emphasis on teaching the return team not to fvcking hold and not to even appear as if you're holding.  Almost every time there's a kick returned for a touchdown that's called back, it's because of an inconsequential hold.  And I've never seen a return for a TD that was the result of a hold that wasn't called.  

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Regarding younger guys having to pay their dues on special teams, I don't know football nuts and bolts all that well, but maybe that's an idea that needs to be tossed aside, sort of like NHL teams finally realizing that having goons is a losing proposition.  Kick off and punt returns seem to have the highest probability of serious injury per play, to the point that they're always talking about getting rid of the kick off entirely.  (Greg Ciano's idea of how to replace the kick off is pretty interesting).  And is there anything about chasing down kicks or punts that made Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas better at linebacker or defensive end than they would have otherwise been? And while I'm old man yelling at cloud, there should be special emphasis on teaching the return team not to fvcking hold and not to even appear as if you're holding.  Almost every time there's a kick returned for a touchdown that's called back, it's because of an inconsequential hold.  And I've never seen a return for a TD that was the result of a hold that wasn't called.  

 

People forget that ST's are important too- not covering kicks and punts well leads to better field position for the opposition, which, I don't need to tell you why that's bad lol. ST's are part of the game, and while a lot of ST's aces will usually be guys who aren't great at their actual position (guys like Walt Aikens and Michael Thomas come to mind- and Larry Izzo was a perfect example of a ST's ace), you have to have some better football players play on them too, unless you want teams starting on the 35 yard line or worse all the time. I hate that McMillan got hurt, and I especially hate the way he got hurt, but that's football.

 

 

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You need to have better players on ST's cause of the way NFL rosters are structured - 45 active players and 24 starters (inc. P/K) plus other de facto starters like nickelbacks, third down backs, third WR's, with the inherent lack of depth there aren't too many spots you can afford to carry 'specialists' who only play ST's and don't contribute anywhere else.  

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Tony Lippett is the latest injury casualty, done for the year with a torn Achilles.

 

 

At least Ajayi is out of the concussion protocol (for now). Of course Kenyan Drake is now in the protocol, so one RB comes out, another goes in. I can't remember a Fins training camp with this many injuries. And we haven't even made it to the second preseason game yet!

 

 

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Tough break for Lippett, but unless you think he was going to turn into Richard Sherman, it shouldn't really impact where things wind up this season. 

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Tough break for Lippett, but unless you think he was going to turn into Richard Sherman, it shouldn't really impact where things wind up this season. 

He's not Richard Sherman, but he's not nothing. He had 4 picks last year and was a solid 3rd CB. Now Tankersley goes from redshirt season to right into the fire.

 

 

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1 hour ago, MadDog2020 said:

He's not Richard Sherman, but he's not nothing. He had 4 picks last year and was a solid 3rd CB. Now Tankersley goes from redshirt season to right into the fire.

 

 

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Ah, but what if Tankersly is the next Richard Sherman.

 

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Ah, but what if Tankersly is the next Richard Sherman.

 

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Hey, we can hope! Lol. Cutler looked pretty good tonight, made a couple really nice throws and showed good pocket presence behind a lousy o-line. Ajayi ran like a beast as well.

 

 

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18 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

Hey, we can hope! Lol. Cutler looked pretty good tonight, made a couple really nice throws and showed good pocket presence behind a lousy o-line. Ajayi ran like a beast as well.

 

 

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Were Tunsil and James the only projected Oline starters that got any playing time?

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Were Tunsil and James the only projected Oline starters that got any playing time?

Tunsil and Bushrod, no James. Someone named Jesse Davis started at LG, Jake Brendel at center, Sam Young at RT.

 

 

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The annual trip is booked: going down for the 10/22 game against the Jets. Can't wait!


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4 hours ago, MadDog2020 said:

The annual trip is booked: going down for the 10/22 game against the Jets. Can't wait! emoji482.png


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Nice Dog.  I'll be there for the 12/11 game vs the Pats.  Can't wait to see the "new" building.  Can't believe it's the same place I went to in 2014.  

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Nice Dog.  I'll be there for the 12/11 game vs the Pats.  Can't wait to see the "new" building.  Can't believe it's the same place I went to in 2014.  

Having gone last year, I can tell you it's very impressive. I feel like we have a true home field advantage again. It's awesome to be able to say that.


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Yeah looked amazing in every photo that I saw.  One of the best reno jobs I've ever seen.  I never thought that building could've been modernized to such an extent.  I'm going down with two buds, one of whom is a Dolphins fan who hasn't been down there in years.  We went down there together in 1997 and 1998...both games were pretty lousy (Pats won in 97 and lost in 98), but we had a blast.  

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