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I want to first admit that I know less about prospects than most on here. So I'm posing a question;

assume that the players in the last 3 seasons all came out in the same draft. So; McDavid, Eichel, Matthews, Poolparty, Laine, Strome, Hanifin, Marner, Crouse, Patrick, Hischier. Pretending you don't have the benefit of hindsight, where do Patrick/Hischier go? 5th? 9th? 

Everyone says the draft is "weaker", which I can agree with without knowing much. And I know we're  not getting a Connor McDavid. But is the 1st overall this year THAT much worse than the third last year? Or the 4th two years ago?

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9 minutes ago, Martyisth3b3st said:

I want to first admit that I know less about prospects than most on here. So I'm posing a question;

assume that the players in the last 3 seasons all came out in the same draft. So; McDavid, Eichel, Matthews, Poolparty, Laine, Strome, Hanifin, Marner, Crouse, Patrick, Hischier. Pretending you don't have the benefit of hindsight, where do Patrick/Hischier go? 5th? 9th? 

Everyone says the draft is "weaker", which I can agree with without knowing much. And I know we're  not getting a Connor McDavid. But is the 1st overall this year THAT much worse than the third last year? Or the 4th two years ago?

I pretty much had the same question.  I'm not a big prospect/college/minors guy so I tend to know little about the pipeline and potential additions to the team.  From the little I've read I would figure Patrick would be somewhere around 5-7th among the names you mentioned, but I could be wrong.

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3 minutes ago, Devilsfan118 said:

Did Patrick play with Quenneville?

Maybe Shero can use Quennville to get an "inside" opinion on him.

Yes, they spent most of 2015-16 on the same line in Brandon     

 

41 minutes ago, Martyisth3b3st said:

I want to first admit that I know less about prospects than most on here. So I'm posing a question;

assume that the players in the last 3 seasons all came out in the same draft. So; McDavid, Eichel, Matthews, Poolparty, Laine, Strome, Hanifin, Marner, Crouse, Patrick, Hischier. Pretending you don't have the benefit of hindsight, where do Patrick/Hischier go? 5th? 9th? 

Everyone says the draft is "weaker", which I can agree with without knowing much. And I know we're  not getting a Connor McDavid. But is the 1st overall this year THAT much worse than the third last year? Or the 4th two years ago?

I think in 2015, they would have slotted anywhere between 3-5 with the grouping of Strome, Marner and Hanifin depending on team need. Last year, coming off a full season with no injuries and WHL playoff MVP,  Nolan is probably 3rd instead of PLD since Columbus apparently wasn't that high on Pulijarvi.      

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1 hour ago, Martyisth3b3st said:

I want to first admit that I know less about prospects than most on here. So I'm posing a question;

assume that the players in the last 3 seasons all came out in the same draft. So; McDavid, Eichel, Matthews, Poolparty, Laine, Strome, Hanifin, Marner, Crouse, Patrick, Hischier. Pretending you don't have the benefit of hindsight, where do Patrick/Hischier go? 5th? 9th? 

Everyone says the draft is "weaker", which I can agree with without knowing much. And I know we're  not getting a Connor McDavid. But is the 1st overall this year THAT much worse than the third last year? Or the 4th two years ago?

Predraft?

McDavid

Eichel

Matthews

Strome/Patrick/Marner/Laine

Hischier/Puljujarvi

Hanifin

Crouse

 

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2 hours ago, Martyisth3b3st said:

I want to first admit that I know less about prospects than most on here. So I'm posing a question;

assume that the players in the last 3 seasons all came out in the same draft. So; McDavid, Eichel, Matthews, Poolparty, Laine, Strome, Hanifin, Marner, Crouse, Patrick, Hischier. Pretending you don't have the benefit of hindsight, where do Patrick/Hischier go? 5th? 9th? 

Everyone says the draft is "weaker", which I can agree with without knowing much. And I know we're  not getting a Connor McDavid. But is the 1st overall this year THAT much worse than the third last year? Or the 4th two years ago?

I recall that Pronman said around the time of last year's draft that he would have had Patrick ranked fourth or fifth.

If whoever the Devils take in this draft -- even if they trade the pick -- turns out to be like Crouse, then the team is going to be pretty f'd for a while longer.

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The Q does a great job tracking stats compared to the WHL, so it gives us some nice data on Nico.

Some pluses:

-Averaged over 4 shots per game in the regular season and 5 per game in the playoffs

-Only 11 of his 38 goals came on the PP, which means that he did very well at ES

-Shot 16.4%, which isn't very high in that league, so he didnt shoot lights out. This indicates he wasnt riding percentages

-People say he faded down the stretch and his only less than PPG month was indeed March. However, his shot rate remained at 4 p/g and he shot 3%. He was just incredibly unlucky that month

A couple of minuses:

-His faceoff percentage was under 50% (48.7%). I'm not a big faceoffs guy, but he may need to get better if he wants to remain a C.

-He had 54 pts in 30 home games, but only 32 in 27 road games. It seems like he wasn't quite as effective when opposing coaches got the matchups they wanted

Overall- I'm actually more encouraged after looking at this data. Seems like he did a ton of damage at ES and him fading down the stretch seems a tad exaggerated considering his shot rate remained consistent in March and even increased in the playoffs.
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5 hours ago, Martyisth3b3st said:

I want to first admit that I know less about prospects than most on here. So I'm posing a question;

assume that the players in the last 3 seasons all came out in the same draft. So; McDavid, Eichel, Matthews, Poolparty, Laine, Strome, Hanifin, Marner, Crouse, Patrick, Hischier. Pretending you don't have the benefit of hindsight, where do Patrick/Hischier go? 5th? 9th? 

Everyone says the draft is "weaker", which I can agree with without knowing much. And I know we're  not getting a Connor McDavid. But is the 1st overall this year THAT much worse than the third last year? Or the 4th two years ago?

That guy is a good time...

5 hours ago, Devilsfan118 said:

Did Patrick play with Quenneville?

Maybe Shero can use Quenneville to get an "inside" opinion on him.

He was in just about every clip on that 2015-16 highlight reel that someone posted.

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4 hours ago, SMantzas said:
The Q does a great job tracking stats compared to the WHL, so it gives us some nice data on Nico.

Some pluses:

-Averaged over 4 shots per game in the regular season and 5 per game in the playoffs

-Only 11 of his 38 goals came on the PP, which means that he did very well at ES

-Shot 16.4%, which isn't very high in that league, so he didnt shoot lights out. This indicates he wasnt riding percentages

-People say he faded down the stretch and his only less than PPG month was indeed March. However, his shot rate remained at 4 p/g and he shot 3%. He was just incredibly unlucky that month

A couple of minuses:

-His faceoff percentage was under 50% (48.7%). I'm not a big faceoffs guy, but he may need to get better if he wants to remain a C.

-He had 54 pts in 30 home games, but only 32 in 27 road games. It seems like he wasn't quite as effective when opposing coaches got the matchups they wanted

Overall- I'm actually more encouraged after looking at this data. Seems like he did a ton of damage at ES and him fading down the stretch seems a tad exaggerated considering his shot rate remained consistent in March and even increased in the playoffs.

His team travel a lot.. maybe it explains that his productions isn't the same...

One thing I know is that Halifax had the worst lineup in the league... The only reason they didn't finish last is Nico Hischier.

He played really well in a weak team.Reminds me of Sean Monahan season before the draft.

The more I see of him the more I like.

I would Select Nico Hischier... He got speed, skill, and he plays with an Edge.... He needs to get a little bit bigger and work on his faceoffs.

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5 hours ago, SMantzas said:
The Q does a great job tracking stats compared to the WHL, so it gives us some nice data on Nico.

Some pluses:

-Averaged over 4 shots per game in the regular season and 5 per game in the playoffs

-Only 11 of his 38 goals came on the PP, which means that he did very well at ES

-Shot 16.4%, which isn't very high in that league, so he didnt shoot lights out. This indicates he wasnt riding percentages

-People say he faded down the stretch and his only less than PPG month was indeed March. However, his shot rate remained at 4 p/g and he shot 3%. He was just incredibly unlucky that month

A couple of minuses:

-His faceoff percentage was under 50% (48.7%). I'm not a big faceoffs guy, but he may need to get better if he wants to remain a C.

-He had 54 pts in 30 home games, but only 32 in 27 road games. It seems like he wasn't quite as effective when opposing coaches got the matchups they wanted

Overall- I'm actually more encouraged after looking at this data. Seems like he did a ton of damage at ES and him fading down the stretch seems a tad exaggerated considering his shot rate remained consistent in March and even increased in the playoffs.

Do you use two accounts on HF? If not someone is plagiarizing you.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=2185633&page=14

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6 hours ago, SMantzas said:
The Q does a great job tracking stats compared to the WHL, so it gives us some nice data on Nico.

Some pluses:

-Averaged over 4 shots per game in the regular season and 5 per game in the playoffs

-Only 11 of his 38 goals came on the PP, which means that he did very well at ES

-Shot 16.4%, which isn't very high in that league, so he didnt shoot lights out. This indicates he wasnt riding percentages

-People say he faded down the stretch and his only less than PPG month was indeed March. However, his shot rate remained at 4 p/g and he shot 3%. He was just incredibly unlucky that month

A couple of minuses:

-His faceoff percentage was under 50% (48.7%). I'm not a big faceoffs guy, but he may need to get better if he wants to remain a C.

-He had 54 pts in 30 home games, but only 32 in 27 road games. It seems like he wasn't quite as effective when opposing coaches got the matchups they wanted

Overall- I'm actually more encouraged after looking at this data. Seems like he did a ton of damage at ES and him fading down the stretch seems a tad exaggerated considering his shot rate remained consistent in March and even increased in the playoffs.

Nico is a possession machine and the more seasoned and dynamic player. I go with him.

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9 hours ago, Lateralous said:

I'm leaning towards Patrick but honestly, a year after being pissed that we passed on Logan Brown for McLeod, I'm just going to sit back and trust that management will make the best decision for the direction they want to take this team.   

Oh man don't regret taking McLeod. Kid is going to be a 40 goal scorer.

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6 minutes ago, devlman said:

Oh man don't regret taking McLeod. Kid is going to be a 40 goal scorer.

I think that's what he meant, he was upset and McLeod looks like he'll be great, so he is trusting management again. At least that's what I took from it. 

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Just now, mfitz804 said:

I think that's what he meant, he was upset and McLeod looks like he'll be great, so he is trusting management again. At least that's what I took from it. 

Correct.  I'm currently loving the McLeod pick with the development he's shown this season.  I stream the occasional OHL game and he's been he best player on the ice every time I've watched them this year.  I was bummed at the time of the draft because I preferred Brown but one year later, I think McLeod would be a no brainer.    

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