Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 18 minutes ago, mfitz804 said: Good example of what I was talking about above. Who would you rather pick in 1979, #1 Rob Ramage, #4 Mike Gartner, or #8 Ray Bourque? Anyone gonna argue that using the #1 on Gartner or Bourque would have been a horrible decision and the biggest mistake in franchise history? I wonder if Ramage was the undisputed consensus #1 pick that season, or if that was Colorado botching the pick? I do know from what I've seen that he was expected to go high in that draft...just not sure if it was #1 overall high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 8 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said: I wonder if Ramage was the undisputed consensus #1 pick that season, or if that was Colorado botching the pick? I do know from what I've seen that he was expected to go high in that draft...just not sure if it was #1 overall high. You and I were 2-3 years old at the time. I don't know about you but I wasn't following the draft rankings until at least 4 or 5. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Just now, mfitz804 said: You and I were 2-3 years old at the time. I don't know about you but I wasn't following the draft rankings until at least 4 or 5. Heh heh, good one. Actually (and quite sadly) I was nine...born 6/24/1970, will be 47 as of tomorrow...or as I see it, 50 - 3. Dammit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Just now, Colorado Rockies 1976 said: Heh heh, good one. Actually (and quite sadly) I was nine...born 6/24/1970, will be 47 as of tomorrow...or as I see it, 50 - 3. Dammit. Well Happy Birthday! I guess I assumed from your screen name. I didn't consider you might just have been a huge fan of the Bicentennial. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Heh heh, good one. Actually (and quite sadly) I was nine...born 6/24/1970, will be 47 as of tomorrow...or as I see it, 50 - 3. Dammit. Happy birthday brother!Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 26 minutes ago, aylbert said: I don't think it's a mistake to select Makar if that's who we think is best... but I think it's a mistake wasting the pick value if we could trade down to 3-5 and get additional assets + Makar. I believe that's the argument most people agree with. Debating the merit of the pick is a different story. He could theoretically win the Norris trophy some day, in the same way that Jish McDaniels (someone who knows a thing or two about football) thought he could turn Tim Tebow into a real NFL quarterback even though virtually everyone said he was only worth selecting in the fourth round as a project pick. Everything about Makar's biography screams that selecting him at number 1 is an enormous gamble with less upside than people think. And unless we get a gross overpayment for the pick to move down so we can take him, he's still a gamble that is not worth taking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, Daniel said: He could theoretically win the Norris trophy some day, in the same way that Jish McDaniels (someone who knows a thing or two about football) thought he could turn Tim Tebow into a real NFL quarterback even though virtually everyone said he was only worth selecting in the fourth round as a project pick. Everything about Makar's biography screams that selecting him at number 1 is an enormous gamble with less upside than people think. And unless we get a gross overpayment for the pick to move down so we can take him, he's still a gamble that is not worth taking. I do like this "gross overpayment" philosophy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aylbert Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 23 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said: I wonder if Ramage was the undisputed consensus #1 pick that season, or if that was Colorado botching the pick? I do know from what I've seen that he was expected to go high in that draft...just not sure if it was #1 overall high. I assume some kid named Gretzky was the consensus #1 pick... but of course, we got screwed there too (like the 84 draft where the Pens tanked and we missed him by 3 points). Rob Rammage was the #2 prospect according to the Hockey News from 1979 for those born in 1959--- so I don't think it was a reach:http://www.hockeydraftcentral.com/1979/79001.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Well this is interesting: http://www.crossingbroad.com/2017/06/the-flyers-might-be-concerned-about-nolan-patrick.html Quote A little birdie tells me that the Flyers are “extremely concerned” about Patrick’s injury history and really want Nico to fall to them at number two. No one knows what the Devils are going to do, but recent reports have them taking Nico. That possibility might have led to the loosely-sourced report that the Flyers could trade back and send the number two pick to Vegas in exchange for what could perhaps be a slew of draft picks Vegas obtains through expansion draft agreements to avoid certain unprotected players. There also seems to be some late conjecture that the Devils could trade back and take a defenseman, or just take one outright, leaving the Flyers to choose between Nolan or Nico (I think they’d take Nico). Anyway, if the Devils stay put and take Nico, the Flyers should take Patrick, and they probably will, even if they do have concerns about his injuries. Anything else would be overthinking it. DON’T DO THAT, RON. In case you’re wondering, the little birdie is the same person who told me the Flyers were hiring Dave Hakstol two days before anyone in Philly had ever even heard his name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Ok I'm freaking out TAKE NICO!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 9 minutes ago, Nicomo said: Ok I'm freaking out TAKE NICO!!! Unless they just reversed psychologied us...then take Nolan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleBallofHate Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 11 minutes ago, Nicomo said: Ok I'm freaking out TAKE NICO!!! So you're saying you like Nico mo(re), Nicomo? Sorry, couldn't resist! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleBallofHate Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Not surprised Philly would be wary - Giroux & Ghost bear have not been the same since their (similar) injuries... it may be coincidence but it would give me pause too. And it does... #teamNico Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleBallofHate Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 1 hour ago, dmann422 said: Does anyone have an estimated time that the pick will actually be made? I figure there'll be some fluff to start before the actual pick, anyone recall how delayed it's been in past years?? Andrew Gross tweeted out that he thought it would be 7.15 / 7.20 -ish FWIW. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lateralous Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 I've said repeatedly that i don't care who we pick but I would walk out of tonight feeling really good if we took Hischier and Philly traded out of the 2nd slot because they were worried about Patrick's injuries. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOLLYWOOD Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 25 minutes ago, Nicomo said: Ok I'm freaking out TAKE NICO!!! Make him a Dev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nessus Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Theory: Shero’s plan is to subtly let it be believed that the Devils are choosing Nico, who the Flyers are known to be targeting. Flyers will want to move up to take Nico, so Shero will make a trade of 1st overall +++ for 2nd overall and Provorov. Devils then select Nolan, and have a reunion of the Brandon team that won the WHL championship in 2016 (Provorov, Patrick, Quenneville). Likelihood: ~0% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 (edited) 27 minutes ago, nessus said: Theory: Shero’s plan is to subtly let it be believed that the Devils are choosing Nico, who the Flyers are known to be targeting. Flyers will want to move up to take Nico, so Shero will make a trade of 1st overall +++ for 2nd overall and Provorov. Devils then select Nolan, and have a reunion of the Brandon team that won the WHL championship in 2016 (Provorov, Patrick, Quenneville). Likelihood: ~0% It's not entirely unrealistic, but it wouldn't be Provorov. Sanheim and #2 for #1 would be pretty reasonable if Philly really wants Nico over Nolan and Shero doesn't have a clear preference. Edited June 23, 2017 by Daniel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, aylbert said: I assume some kid named Gretzky was the consensus #1 pick... but of course, we got screwed there too (like the 84 draft where the Pens tanked and we missed him by 3 points). Rob Rammage was the #2 prospect according to the Hockey News from 1979 for those born in 1959--- so I don't think it was a reach:http://www.hockeydraftcentral.com/1979/79001.html If he went to the Rockies they may never move here. NJ's most legendary hockey team would remain the Bulldogs (#1stripe) Edited June 23, 2017 by '7' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Shero on NHL Network right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 He's talking about wanting speed. I'm 99.9% sure he's taking Nico. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nessus Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 I think it will be Nico based on nothing more than intuition and the fact that the Devils always seem to select the player I'm not as high on (other than Zacha). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, Nicomo said: He's talking about wanting speed. I'm 99.9% sure he's taking Nico. Nolan is plenty fast himself. Although Castron said Nico was a "slightly better skater" that doesn't always mean faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 57 minutes ago, Martyisth3b3st said: But what if they knew we would think they were doing that, so they reversed the reverse psychology?!? TAKE MAKAR!!! Or just make up a prospect nobody has heard of and make him a dark horse. Devils are a lock to take Oliver Klozeroff from Belarus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, mfitz804 said: Or just make up a prospect nobody has heard of and make him a dark horse. Devils are a lock to take Oliver Klozeroff from Belarus. He's got a great toolbox and a lot of upside. And he absolutely destroyed the Belarussan junior B league as a 16 and half year old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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