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Is there anything to substantiate Henrique getting traded?  I mean, any rumors or sources beyond people here that just have that "feeling" ?   I don't think it makes much sense either, unless we're blow away by an offer.  I also don't see Thornton coming here.  I don't know that he'd want to, and I just don't think he's a good fit.  

I'm thrilled to hear Bennett has become a UFA, and I hope it stays that way.  Let someone else sign him.

As for who else we might go after...I wouldn't mind taking a shot at attempting to sign any of these guys:  Radulov, Kulikov, Stone, Franson, Alzner. and of course Shattenkirk.  

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Based on how everyone in hockey told us the lead up to the expansion draft was going to be one of the craziest offseason events we've ever witnessed, sure it's disappointing that we're not at least si

Two days ago, this was a pathetic draft class that we wanted no part of other than Shattenkirk. Now, the sky is falling because we lost out on him since he's going to realize his 15 year old wet dream

So... Detroit... 

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3 minutes ago, NJDfan1711 said:

Is there anything to substantiate Henrique getting traded?  I mean, any rumors or sources beyond people here that just have that "feeling" ?   I don't think it makes much sense either, unless we're blow away by an offer.  I also don't see Thornton coming here.  I don't know that he'd want to, and I just don't think he's a good fit.  

I'm thrilled to hear Bennett has become a UFA, and I hope it stays that way.  Let someone else sign him.

As for who else we might go after...I wouldn't mind taking a shot at attempting to sign any of these guys:  Radulov, Kulikov, Stone, Franson, Alzner. and of course Shattenkirk.  

No, just rumors. 

Confused as to why you don't want BB8 back. He is young and still has plenty of potential. 

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5 minutes ago, NJDfan1711 said:

Is there anything to substantiate Henrique getting traded?  I mean, any rumors or sources beyond people here that just have that "feeling" ?   I don't think it makes much sense either, unless we're blow away by an offer.  I also don't see Thornton coming here.  I don't know that he'd want to, and I just don't think he's a good fit.  

I'm thrilled to hear Bennett has become a UFA, and I hope it stays that way.  Let someone else sign him.

As for who else we might go after...I wouldn't mind taking a shot at attempting to sign any of these guys:  Radulov, Kulikov, Stone, Franson, Alzner. and of course Shattenkirk.  

The reason Henriques name comes up is because he's a player that the Devils could probably get huge value for and may also be expendable. With Zacha, McLeod, and Nico coming up, people are speculating that it would be a good time to sell on Henrique while his value is most likely at its highest. 

 

 

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Twitter EXPLODING that Mike Condon signed a new three year deal.  Seriously, is there anything lamer in free agency or leading up to free agency than signing a backup goalie.  There should be some sort of league rule about it.

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NYR and Brendan Smith are close to finalizing what is expected to be a four-year deal.

It will be an AAV of $4.35M.

EDITED to Add: That's a LOT for him - I thought he'd go for much less - no NYR discount, go figure. 

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5 minutes ago, CommonDreads said:

Wonder if that means anything about the Rangers interest in Shattenkirk. Now have McDonagh, Smith, Staal, Holden, Skjei, and DeAngelo signed for next year who will all definitely play in the NHL, and possibly Kevin Klein who hasn't yet retired.

Yeah. Unless they get a bullsh!t Montreal-like dump of Staal (ala Gomez), I would consider the Rangers an underdog for Shattenkirk. McD/DeAngelo, Smith/Skjei seems like a pretty solid lock for the top two pairings from what my friends are saying, and the Rangers seemed to make an effort at eliminating large contracts this offseason, not handing them out.

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1 hour ago, CarpathianForest said:

Just like with any other market, Shattenkirk is worth whatever someone is willing to pay. Keep in mind that defensemen of his caliber don't become UFAs every season.

Yes. And for a team without a cap issue that has been carrying Savard's $6m just for fun, you can afford to open the wallet for a guy like that. 

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1 hour ago, Martyisth3b3st said:

No, just rumors. 

Confused as to why you don't want BB8 back. He is young and still has plenty of potential. 

I feel like you and I have this discussion a lot, and I can tell you like him and see value in him, and I on the other hand see almost none lol.  To each his own, I'm not saying he's the worst player in the world, but when you use the word potential, especially saying he has plenty, I beg to differ.  I think the guy has peaked, and it's not a high peak either.  Maybe, maybe his situational awareness is good, but even that is not really enough to overcome these God awful numbers:

3-11-14 (granted in 26 GP)

3-4-7 in 21 GP

4-8-12 in 49 GP (bleh)

6-6-12 in 33 GP (bleh)

8-11-19 in 65 GP

So underwhelming.  I think on his best day or with better linemates he's a 15-20 goal scorer max, and that's probably a fluke.  He's not gonna crack our top 6 so we won't get to see what he could potentially do with more icetime and better teammates, and I'll agree that he's a serviceable bottom 6 guy, but I still believe there's better to be had out there, or even in our current lineup (gimme Blandisi, Quennville, hell, maybe even Cammo over him)

 

1 hour ago, Devil Dan 56 said:

The reason Henriques name comes up is because he's a player that the Devils could probably get huge value for and may also be expendable. With Zacha, McLeod, and Nico coming up, people are speculating that it would be a good time to sell on Henrique while his value is most likely at its highest. 

 

 

Yeah, I'm not denying his value, but the way I see it, and the way our team needs to get better and improve, is through the draft, like we did with Nico, and through free agency, like we did with a guy like Palmieri.  We've basically seen this same thing with Hall.  Great player, sure, but we gave up a pretty great player to get him.  So in essence, why trade a guy like Henrique who is a serviceable 2nd liner for us, for the unknown?  We need to keep all of the good players we have, at least the young ones anyway.  We know what Henrique brings, and that's important to what we have going at the moment.  In my opinion it's not worth the risk trying to 1-up another team and bring back a greater asset than what you're giving up if we tried to move him.  

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3 hours ago, CarpathianForest said:

Just like with any other market, Shattenkirk is worth whatever someone is willing to pay. Keep in mind that defensemen of his caliber don't become UFAs every season.

Exactly. And for a little perspective, his 56 points would have been good for 1st on the Devils in scoring last season...

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21 minutes ago, Nicomo said:

Exactly. And for a little perspective, his 56 points would have been good for 1st on the Devils in scoring last season...

I agree that the Devils need puck moving D and have tons of cap space to sign him, but Shattenkirk isn't likely to put up those numbers with the Devils as the teams he was on last season are both appreciably better than the lineup we will ice in 2017-18.  He's a good defenseman, and is just what we need.  However, no matter who he signs with, people are going to expect him to be a #1 D who puts up big numbers based upon the term and value of his contract - and they likely will be disappointed as a result.   

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1 hour ago, Chuck the Duck said:

I agree that the Devils need puck moving D and have tons of cap space to sign him, but Shattenkirk isn't likely to put up those numbers with the Devils as the teams he was on last season are both appreciably better than the lineup we will ice in 2017-18.  He's a good defenseman, and is just what we need.  However, no matter who he signs with, people are going to expect him to be a #1 D who puts up big numbers based upon the term and value of his contract - and they likely will be disappointed as a result.   

Agreed. Shattenkirk hasn't been on a team as mediocre as the Devils. I wouldn't expect him to be repeating his numbers immediately. That being said, it would be cool if we signed something big on July 1st. I can't remember the last time we made a big time signing during summer free agency and obviously I'm not talking about Schneider or Hall since those were trades.

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38 minutes ago, CarpathianForest said:

Agreed. Shattenkirk hasn't been on a team as mediocre as the Devils. I wouldn't expect him to be repeating his numbers immediately. That being said, it would be cool if we signed something big on July 1st. I can't remember the last time we made a big time signing during summer free agency and obviously I'm not talking about Schneider or Hall since those were trades.

 

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1 hour ago, CarpathianForest said:

Agreed. Shattenkirk hasn't been on a team as mediocre as the Devils. I wouldn't expect him to be repeating his numbers immediately. That being said, it would be cool if we signed something big on July 1st. I can't remember the last time we made a big time signing during summer free agency and obviously I'm not talking about Schneider or Hall since those were trades.

Cammalleri was one of the better forwards available when we signed him. Ilya Kovalchuk was the single most highly touted UFA forward ever when we signed him. Volchenkov was the best defenseman available when we signed him. Rolston was the best forward available when we signed him.

you need a better memory.

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Cammalleri was one of the better forwards available when we signed him. Ilya Kovalchuk was the single most highly touted UFA forward ever when we signed him. Volchenkov was the best defenseman available when we signed him. Rolston was the best forward available when we signed him.
you need a better memory.

Clowe too. He was supposed to be Clarkson's replacement. [emoji37]


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Clowe too. He was supposed to be Clarkson's replacement. emoji37.png


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Clowe and Ryder were both players with multiple suitors. Saying the Devils don't land too free agents is completely false. How successful those free agents are, though, is a completely different question.

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1 minute ago, mfitz804 said:

Agreed. We've done ok in that respect. I suspect we'll land someone nice this year. 

Hopefully it will be an easier sell with the likes of Hall and Hischier on the team now. If Cory can return to form I think they're only a couple pieces away from being competitive. 

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On 6/27/2017 at 6:06 PM, Sharifijanov2099 said:

Seems like a lot of biased hatred of MDZ for no reason, if you ask me, or simply because he was a Rag once.  Video clips of him from 5 years ago when he was 21... let's look up Larsson turnovers while we're at it, or Shea Weber from the playoffs before he was traded for Subban (where he was legit terrible for long stretches).  Every D in the league has atrocious mind farts at times.  MDZ is no Larsson or Weber.  But he can put up points if given the chance, can hit, can skate, etc.  I'm not an advanced stats bible quoter, but I've never heard of him as being a terrible possession player.  I don't really understand the MDZ vitriol but it's all good.  We can all have our opinion.  We'll see what Shero does on July 1 to address the D.  But if Brendan Smith is re-upping in NY, and presumably I'd call us a long shot to land Shattenkirk, MDZ is a lot better option than people like Roman Polak or another miscellaneous pylon.  It's all about contract-to actual value ratio.  Offering a guy like MDZ 5 mill a year is bad value.  Definitely don't do it.  But if he's fallen from grace or out of the top 6 in Phili, offering him a million per for 2 years would be excellent value.  Most players in the NHL can add something to a team of priced correctly.  

my dislike for the player is based on living in south jersey and seeing him ass up the ice in many of the flyers games.  He should stick to stalking porn stars on twitter and instagram.  I think it's a huge stretch to use MDZ and hitting in the same sentence.  He's sodt always has been always will be.  We have enough soft players already we don't need another one who is a fringe NHL player. 

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9 hours ago, NJDfan1711 said:

Is there anything to substantiate Henrique getting traded?  I mean, any rumors or sources beyond people here that just have that "feeling" ?   I don't think it makes much sense either, unless we're blow away by an offer.  I also don't see Thornton coming here.  I don't know that he'd want to, and I just don't think he's a good fit.  

I'm thrilled to hear Bennett has become a UFA, and I hope it stays that way.  Let someone else sign him.

As for who else we might go after...I wouldn't mind taking a shot at attempting to sign any of these guys:  Radulov, Kulikov, Stone, Franson, Alzner. and of course Shattenkirk.  

I would love to see Kulikov and Stone here, absolutely. I've  always been high on Kulikov. Franson and Alzner, no thank you.

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3 hours ago, thecoffeecake said:

I would love to see Kulikov and Stone here, absolutely. I've  always been high on Kulikov. Franson and Alzner, no thank you.

I'd pass on both. Stone has done well with good partners but craters without them. Kulikov is a bit better but what he gives you in shot suppression (not that much) he takes away by killing your offense. 

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9 hours ago, thecoffeecake said:

I would love to see Kulikov and Stone here, absolutely. I've  always been high on Kulikov. Franson and Alzner, no thank you.

I've always liked Kulikov.  He'd probably be my first choice.  Guy doesn't put up a ton of points, but is a pretty big body and pretty reliable defender.

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6 hours ago, Marshall said:

I'd pass on both. Stone has done well with good partners but craters without them. Kulikov is a bit better but what he gives you in shot suppression (not that much) he takes away by killing your offense. 

I feel like Severson, and even an aging Greene, are good enough puck movers and skaters to make up for having a stay at home defenseman back there.   If we were to add Shattenkirk as well, then we're golden.  

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