mfitz804 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 2 hours ago, EdgeControl said: LOL, thats the instant the puck crosses you said it was clearly offsides LMAO clearly??? c'mon fitz I said you can't tell from a still picture where both the puck and the player are on the same side of the line. 2 hours ago, Satans Hockey said: Now there, you can tell, because they are on opposite sides. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Triumph said: It could be lined up with another frame from the blueline camera to confirm. Certainly it looks like all but his toe is off the ice, and his entire skate may not even be on it. The shadow being cast by his skate extends past the blue line. Maybe they exhumed James Garrison and got him to analyze the shadows, the same way he did with Oswald's photograph with his rifle. It took five minutes to figure it out. Unless you're telling me that somehow they stumbled upon the conclusive camera angle at the end of the process, the only logical ruling would have been that it was inconclusive and the goal should have stood. Whatever the case, a replay official's interpretation of shadows should not be conclusive evidence to overturn a call. Unfortunately, whenever the league fixes this problem, it'll somehow operate to screw over the Devils. Edited January 3, 2018 by Daniel 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpathianForest Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 9 minutes ago, Daniel said: Maybe they exhumed James Garrison and got him to analyze the shadows, the same way he did with Oswald's photograph with his rifle. It took five minutes to figure it out. Unless you're telling me that somehow they stumbled upon the conclusive camera angle at the end of the process, the only logical ruling would have been that it was inconclusive and the goal should have stood. Whatever the case, a replay official's interpretation of shadows should not be conclusive evidence to overturn a call. Unfortunately, whenever the league fixes this problem, it'll somehow operate to screw over the Devils. The puck went back and to the left 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecoffeecake Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Review in sports is so out of hand. Goals, home runs, and clock issues, that should be it. What's the point of numerous highly trained and well payed professionals in the field of play to judge these things if everything is subject to replay? The offsides rule in hockey wasn't designed to be dissected to millimeters. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, Daniel said: Maybe they exhumed James Garrison and got him to analyze the shadows, the same way he did with Oswald's photograph with his rifle. It took five minutes to figure it out. Unless you're telling me that somehow they stumbled upon the conclusive camera angle at the end of the process, the only logical ruling would have been that it was inconclusive and the goal should have stood. Whatever the case, a replay official's interpretation of shadows should not be conclusive evidence to overturn a call. Unfortunately, whenever the league fixes this problem, it'll somehow operate to screw over the Devils. You don't seem to know how the process works. There is no 'replay official interpretation' - the linesmen confer and look at the play on an iPad or similar tablet device while talking to someone in Toronto, and it's up to the linesmen to make the determination. They have access to camera angles that are not available on the broadcast. I'm not saying I've always agreed with their interpretation, but I do think they have been pretty consistent leaguewide from what I see on a nightly basis, and that this play was offside according to that standard. Additional caveat that I hate this process and rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 9 minutes ago, thecoffeecake said: Review in sports is so out of hand. Goals, home runs, and clock issues, that should be it. What's the point of numerous highly trained and well payed professionals in the field of play to judge these things if everything is subject to replay? The offsides rule in hockey wasn't designed to be dissected to millimeters. FWIW, after the Steelers/Patriots game, one of the shows on the Fan had Mike Peirera on as a guest. He said the big problem, at least with the NFL, is that replay was instituted before the advent of high definition cameras and when there were fewer camera angles. Therefore, in the earlier days, when a call on the field was overturned it was obvious because the technology only allowed you to pick up the obvious stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Leeds Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Two Things: One thing Dano said last night that I thought was incorrect was that the rear of Marcus' skate, though up, was still over the line while his toe was down............Dano said he thought that that would be onside. Also, Marcus was stating after the game that he still believed he had control of the puck. that was a little wishful thinking in that even though he brought it in, and recovered, it was a few feet from his blade when he went over. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Daniel said: FWIW, after the Steelers/Patriots game, one of the shows on the Fan had Mike Peirera on as a guest. He said the big problem, at least with the NFL, is that replay was instituted before the advent of high definition cameras and when there were fewer camera angles. Therefore, in the earlier days, when a call on the field was overturned it was obvious because the technology only allowed you to pick up the obvious stuff. This sounds like someone trying to justify the job they did. The NFL has moved towards more and more replay by automatically reviewing all scoring plays and all turnovers in addition to keeping the 2 coach's challenges. The NHL at least had the good sense to try to discourage offside reviews by making it a penalty to challenge them unsuccessfully. In the classic law of unintended consequences, that means that teams really only challenge this if it's super-obvious or if it's a very high-leverage situation like the Hall and Johansson goals were. Edited January 3, 2018 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDfan1711 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 I'm not worried. About anything. Yesterday was a sh!tty loss, for multiple reasons. But it's by no means a conspiracy against the Devils, and despite yesterday, and a few other games of just plain old bad luck, this team is still hovering around top 5 in the league, and we're near the midway point of the season. We are also 95% healthy (only one missing that I can think of is Mueller), which is also a very good sign. I believe this team is only going to get better and more confident the longer the main core of guys play together. What we need to do is stay the course. Realize that we're doing what we need to do, and if we continue, we should have a real shot at not only making the playoffs, but potentially doing some damage if/when we get there. I'm not trying to jinx anything, but mainly saying this because I think a lot of people expected us to possibly still be a bubble team this year. So far I think we're exceeding those expectations, but me personally, this isn't all that shocking. As fun as it is to be a Cinderella team sometimes, I think this team is exactly where they should be right now. It's a little shocking how far this team has come in just a couple years, really two to be exact, but if you look up and down the roster - when healthy - this team doesn't have that many holes. At least none that are so glaring to keep them out of the playoffs and prevent them from being a potential contender. What I want moving forward is consistency, and effort. This team right now has a game tomorrow, then one Sunday, and then none for an entire week. They should be rested, healthy, and hungry. I want a complete 60 minutes and everyone buying in. It's best to get that effort and attitude started now, because if it's not there come playoff time, it'll be too late. Right now it is my hope and belief that the atmosphere in the locker room should be light and happy, but also focused and determined. This team and its fans should be happy and excited about where we've gotten to so far as well as the potential for where we can be, but also keeping grounded and remember that there's more work to be done. Take heart, and rejoice, my fellow Devils fans. This season has been good so far. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Leeds Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 12 minutes ago, NJDfan1711 said: Take heart, and rejoice, my fellow Devils fans. This season has been good so far. Yes, yes it has. The thing that gnaws at me is if the young kids can keep it up. It'll be a lot more games than they've probably ever played in a season before. Hope they don't wear out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevils1214 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 5 hours ago, CarpathianForest said: Coaches should only be able to challenge between the time the goal is scored and when the puck is dropped at center ice, much like in football where a play can't be challenged if another play has already began. 4 hours ago, lucifer91 said: Isnt that the case already? I just think they took their time to take the faceoff because of a possible challenge. That is the case, but last night it was basically being said that the Blues stalled the faceoff to decide if they wanted to challenge it or not. That was what Taylor Hall was saying he had an issue with. I think you get 30 seconds max from when the goal is scored to the time you tell the ref you want to challenge. By that time the time keepers, scorers, and refs should basically be ready to drop the puck and resume play anyway. If the Blues stalled the FO after the goal to let their video review guys get more time that is complete horsesh!t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) 31 minutes ago, NJDevils1214 said: That is the case, but last night it was basically being said that the Blues stalled the faceoff to decide if they wanted to challenge it or not. That was what Taylor Hall was saying he had an issue with. I think you get 30 seconds max from when the goal is scored to the time you tell the ref you want to challenge. By that time the time keepers, scorers, and refs should basically be ready to drop the puck and resume play anyway. If the Blues stalled the FO after the goal to let their video review guys get more time that is complete horsesh!t. It took a minute twenty, not thirty seconds lol https://www.nhl.com/video/c-56348903 The goal's scored at 5 seconds of the video, at 1:15 the assistant coach gets off his microphone and tells Yeo something (presumably to challenge), so then add on another few seconds to call the refs over to challenge. So clearly one rule was broken anyway. That's a better delay of game penalty than throwing pucks into the stands. Edited January 3, 2018 by NJDevs4978 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven M. Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 It's beyond me why the blue line doesn't extend vertically anyway, the only reason Mojo's skate is even off the ice is because he had to avoid a check, yet he still drags his foot behind him to be over the line... however for some idiotic reason the skate must be on the ice itself as if having your skate above it rather than on it gives some unjust advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 45 minutes ago, Steven M. said: It's beyond me why the blue line doesn't extend vertically anyway Because you’d trip over it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Once again the NHL will have to learn its lesson in the finals in overtime when a cup winning goal and celebration will be tainted by a review to either call back or validate the goal. There was no epidemic of offsides goals counting in the NHL just like there was no goalie interference epidemic prior to the moronic crease rule But the league will once again, have to learn the hard way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Day 2 of this discussion and i'm still laughing that someone would say "My fear is every opposing coach will try this tactic against the Devils, knowing their chances are pretty damn good of it going in their team's favor." i mean... lolol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, SterioDesign said: Day 2 of this discussion and i'm still laughing that someone would say "My fear is every opposing coach will try this tactic against the Devils, knowing their chances are pretty damn good of it going in their team's favor." i mean... lolol There are people on this board who actually believe there is a league wide conspiracy against our team. Probably a bunch of Flat Earthers as well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neb00rs Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Comments are gold. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muevelos Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 To me this offsides bs is like the catch rule in the NFL. Ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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