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23 minutes ago, Triumph said:

Also, Steven Santini was really bad this year, and I'm not convinced that he will ever be good.  He skates well for a big guy.  That's about it.  His play with the puck is Lovejoyesque, and that's not how the league is going.  He did okay in the Lovejoy role last year playing mostly with Merrill.  

You're misremembering last year. There were plenty of games where he was the Devils' best defenseman (not saying much). We actually commented how sure he seemed with the puck and how he made the simple easy play below the goal line. Sure, they sheltered him, but he played well.

Obviously they thought so too- that's why they gave him the most difficult assignments and toughest zone start percentage in the ENTIRE league for 30 games. On it's own, that's a lot to ask of a 2nd year pro. Add onto that you're giving him an ABSOLUTE anchor in Andy Greene who plays the exact same game as you (only with less strength, speed and size) and you'll be bound to rush your plays and fvck it up because you have no help with you.

I'd love to see a Meuller-Santini pairing with a 50/50 zone start split and 2nd/3rd pairing assignments - I bet they'd do just fine.

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2 hours ago, SterioDesign said:

Fans can do wtv they want. But it's mindblowing to me that some fans seem to be oblivious to the fact that we OVERACHIEVED this season and instead of being happy about that, and realize that we got some really really good hockey (especially after last season) they'd choose to use our overachievement as the bar and be pissed cause we're not keeping that up. Again, we finished 27th last year and only added a bunch of rookies and dealt with TONS of injuries plus all the INSANE badluck. If a fan is seriously pissed at the results of this season, he's 110% entitled and responsible for having unrealistic expectations. If we'd have the Pens roster and missing the playoffs i'd get it but christ, we were going to suck this year, WE KNEW THAT and it's totally part of the process.

You really speak and sound like someone who follows a team from afar with little emotional investment. Your expectations for any one of 82 games has already been locked and set from October 1. Why bother watching?

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25 minutes ago, Triumph said:

The ref absolutely pointed at the net during that play.  I didn't see evidence it was definitely in, but it also seemed like it must've been.  I don't know how he ever saw the puck cross the line because it's invisible from all camera angles, but it also was probably in the net. 

Yeah I just double checked the game since I dvred it and he pointed on a few replays but it was way late. I only even thought of it cause Chico and Matt both mentioned it on the post game radio show. 

I have no idea how the hell he determined that from his angle, he must be superman when he's not a ref. 

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46 minutes ago, sundstrom said:

Tri - you've been with me for as long as anyone here. You know how I roll. There are guys that I will never support and some I'll never sour on. I can be irrational sometimes but for the most part, I get what's going on. You know and I know I'm not some facebook yahoo who thinks marty today is still better than cory and that we should get Lou back because "Cupz!"

I don't know why tonight snapped it for me - i mean, they were absolutely putrid last night. they've had games where they didn't show up this season. they've had other losing streaks. maybe it's just the snowball effect of the losing streak. maybe it honestly just knowing that they're staring at winning like 6 games for the rest of the season and they repeat the 2nd halves of the last 5 years. the 5 emails over the last 3 days reminding me to reup for next year haven't helped either.

sure they were the better team 5 on 5 and cordell can wow me about how vatanen was the second coming of bobby orr with his corsi and +/- but in the end, they still fvcking lost to a team that basically just showed up. yeah sure, goal one is "young players" nico and meuller fumbling the puck into their own net. but cagey vets aren't the answer to that. not being fvcking stupid is the answer to that. eddie lack is rusty. fine. but you've played goal before tonight. you know how much time is left in the period. just sit on the fvcking puck.

you're battling to try and get the game to at least OT to stop a losing streak and get points yet your #1 pair and #1 defensive center can't successfully play the puck on the wall or defend and lead to the shot that goes in. but hey, it's been happening plenty this season.

all i can say is i am STILL fvcking furious and I didn't even watch most of the game (I was at dinner for my mother in law's birthday). maybe i'll calm down tomorrow - we'll see.

in my life, there is my family first. then there is my company and the people that work there. then there is this stupid fvcking team. it's irrational and it makes no sense. but i've invested way too much for way too long. like the line in bronx tale, "mickey mantle doesn't give a sh!t about you." that's right - so fvck these guys until they want to figure it the fvck out.

My basic point would be - why now?  You sat through 2013, as miserable a season as there was - a lockout followed by some wins followed by a ton of losses.  The band-aids to fix that mess - Loktionov good, Sullivan, D'Agostini, Ponikarovsky not so good.  2013-14 to me is almost as low as it gets - a season where the Devils miss the playoffs and get handed a pity 1st round pick at 30th overall, where their former franchise goalie is openly wondering about what teams he will be traded to.  2014-15 - do we even have to mention this?  Remember when like, Tomas Kaberle and Mike Komisarek were at training camp for some reason that year?  That was like one of those early 00s Rangers teams that Lou put together.  15-16, the team actually does well when we don't want them to.  And then last year, another decent opening but our hopes dashed by January and on to the endless ugliness.

This year - yeah, they may well miss.  It's been a brutal week and a pretty bad month.  But Bratt and Hischier.  Even Butcher.  Miles Wood has been really impressive.  Pavel Zacha's coming around.  They might fall apart, but beyond the goaltending there's a lot of young players here who just may not be ready for an 82 game season plus playoffs.  Now I understand that the last time the Devils missed the playoffs in a truly heartbreaking fashion was in 96.  They finished 12 points out in 2011, they were 8 points out in a shortened 2013 season, 5 out in 2013-14 but it never seemed close past March 1, 20, 9, 25.  This would be an epic collapse which the franchise hasn't really experienced in a long time, if ever.  But there's so much here now - the easiest position to fix, with enough time and assets, is the goalie position.  We all would've signed up for the Devils having this many points at this juncture in the season.  And there's still plenty of time to turn it around.

By the way, the time left in the period would be exactly why Lack played the puck - he thought playing it, he moves it to a safe spot and then the period ends, whereas if he freezes it, he ensures a faceoff on which a team can score.  I'm sure he's played in games both where his team has scored in this little time and he's been scored against in that little time.  Trying to do too much, I imagine, but it was an unlikely confluence of events that put the puck in the net (where it actually may never have been).

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24 minutes ago, Triumph said:

My basic point would be - why now?  You sat through 2013, as miserable a season as there was - a lockout followed by some wins followed by a ton of losses.  The band-aids to fix that mess - Loktionov good, Sullivan, D'Agostini, Ponikarovsky not so good.  2013-14 to me is almost as low as it gets - a season where the Devils miss the playoffs and get handed a pity 1st round pick at 30th overall, where their former franchise goalie is openly wondering about what teams he will be traded to.  2014-15 - do we even have to mention this?  Remember when like, Tomas Kaberle and Mike Komisarek were at training camp for some reason that year?  That was like one of those early 00s Rangers teams that Lou put together.  15-16, the team actually does well when we don't want them to.  And then last year, another decent opening but our hopes dashed by January and on to the endless ugliness.

This year - yeah, they may well miss.  It's been a brutal week and a pretty bad month.  But Bratt and Hischier.  Even Butcher.  Miles Wood has been really impressive.  Pavel Zacha's coming around.  They might fall apart, but beyond the goaltending there's a lot of young players here who just may not be ready for an 82 game season plus playoffs.  Now I understand that the last time the Devils missed the playoffs in a truly heartbreaking fashion was in 96.  They finished 12 points out in 2011, they were 8 points out in a shortened 2013 season, 5 out in 2013-14 but it never seemed close past March 1, 20, 9, 25.  This would be an epic collapse which the franchise hasn't really experienced in a long time, if ever.  But there's so much here now - the easiest position to fix, with enough time and assets, is the goalie position.  We all would've signed up for the Devils having this many points at this juncture in the season.  And there's still plenty of time to turn it around.

By the way, the time left in the period would be exactly why Lack played the puck - he thought playing it, he moves it to a safe spot and then the period ends, whereas if he freezes it, he ensures a faceoff on which a team can score.  I'm sure he's played in games both where his team has scored in this little time and he's been scored against in that little time.  Trying to do too much, I imagine, but it was an unlikely confluence of events that put the puck in the net (where it actually may never have been).

Why now?

because now is when they rip your heart out. 

All those other years - we knew they sucked and they were kind enough to follow through. You sat through it but you weren’t built up to be torn down. 

It’s the disappointment that is the worst and the feeing like you’re not doing anything to fix it. 

Saying we’d all sign up for this at the start of the season - well sure. Going into the season, I pegged them for 83 points - 36-35-11. And then they had the first 40 games. So after a while, you forget what you thought and reset expectations. 

And then the team tailspins and management doesn’t try to fix it. 

It sucks. 

This isn’t like ‘98 when I was disgusted with good teams not being able to get out of round 1 or 2009 game 7 which was the worst sports moment of my life (yes worse than ‘94 ECF as I wasn’t there).

The fact is, I cannot care about this team as much as I have anymore. I don’t know why tonight made that happen for me but it has. I’m actually sad by it. My wife and my girls saw it and can’t understand it. Why this essentially random loss was the one that basically ruined the devils for me. 

But it has. Yes I’ll watch. And I’ll still go games this year as I have tickets. But i just can’t care as much anymore because there’s enough disappointments in life and I won’t let these guys be one for me anymore. 

I wouldn’t be surprised if I get back to the level I’ve been at but it’s gonna take something to get me there and I can’t see it happening this year.

 

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1 hour ago, sundstrom said:

Why this essentially random loss was the one that basically ruined the devils for me.

It sucks because watching them play tonight, was a complete opposite to last night against Columbus. The team really did look ready to play and win against the Bruins. Unfortunately it just didn't turn out that way, so in that way, it was heartbreaking.

The effort put in by Hall, Hischier, Bratt, Palmy, Butcher, Wood, Coleman, Noesen.. They're the core of our team right now.

Stafford needs to be ejected from this team in any way possible. Why he continues to get minutes is beyond me.

On the upside, I'll be on a Devils vacation this time next month, and I have a winning record when I'm at games, so hopefully that'll help turn the team around and we finish the season winning :P

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After my initial morning rage (having to wake up to this bullsh!t is not a great start to a Monday) I had a look at the standings and we are still in the wildcard places. We are just out of a metro place. 

There are 20 or something games to go and this team has Taylor Hall. I am not giving up yet. 

Having said that they need to turn this sh!t around quickly. Lack needs to start Tuesday. 

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I was there last night...this morning I feel like I haven't slept in a week.  At 3-3, I really did feel like the Devils were going to find a way to get it done...that we'd all be saying "Goddamn, two seriously WTF goals in that first period, but in the end at least the Devils found a way to get two points...let's just take 'em and call it a day."  Nothing against Palms at all (like I posted, I had on his white GW, and he's still my current fave Devil), but it's kind of miraculous that my Palms bobblehead made it to my daughter's hands intact...I really wanted to smash something after the game, and I'm sure that would have shattered quite nicely.

Speaking of Palms...5 goals and 3 assists in his last 7 GP, 21 shots...but you'd never know it, because somehow it's felt so...quiet.  On pace for a 30-goal, 25-assist season over 82 GP (just about exactly what you'd expect based on his first two Devils seasons), but just like his recent point surge, you'd never know it.  Weird. 

Seeing all of the various reactions on here, for the most part, I understand them and relate to them, because I feel like I'm all over the place with how I feel about this team at the moment.  I look at the standings and see that they can still turn this around.  I watch the game last night and though it was yet another friggin' maddening loss, there were just enough signs that still have me believing that this thing isn't dead...but at the same time I feel like I have to start mentally preparing myself for the possibility that, after it was looking like a borderline certainty for so much of this season, the Devils may not make the playoffs.  That would bum me out for a lot of reasons, but I think #1 on that list would be Taylor Hall giving every last thing he's got yet not being rewarded.  Guy is just having such a brilliant year, truly.

I haven't killed Hynes this season, but I can't lie...his postgame conference was a bit too giddy and Honorable Mention for me.  I guess he's trying to pump his guys up a little and take a positive approach, but I guess after a fourth straight loss that's not what I was in the mood to hear.

Guess Lack has a good chance to get the next start, and all I have to say to that is sure, why not?  Hopefully he finds a way to stop 90% of the shots coming his way, because damn has that become a serious challenge. 

Still right there, hopefully they can cobble together some friggin' points. 

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I don't expect Lack to start next game.  Not that I'd rather Kinkaid, at this point I could really care less -- they're essentially the same in terms of their ability and what we're going to get out of them. But Lack got his time yesterday, let in a few softies, and that's that.  He's going back to his backup role and Kinkaid is going back to his temporary starter role.  

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7 hours ago, sundstrom said:

but beyond the goaltending there's a lot of young players here who just may not be ready for an 82 game season plus playoffs. 

This is an important point.  Our 1st line has been Nico/Hall/Bratt.  Because this is their 1st NHL season and because they are teenagers, both Nico and Bratt have been playing on a shift and minutes limit.  Both are playing 21/22 shifts per game and Hynes has been real careful in limiting their minutes to about 16:30 per game.

So 2 of this team's 1st line players rank outside the top 150 in the NHL forwards in both shifts and minutes.  And it is the right thing to do, but it does put the team into a different situation in terms of 2 of it's best players not playing what other team's top forwards play.

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3 minutes ago, NJDfan1711 said:

I don't expect Lack to start next game.  Not that I'd rather Kinkaid, at this point I could really care less -- they're essentially the same in terms of their ability and what we're going to get out of them. But Lack got his time yesterday, let in a few softies, and that's that.  He's going back to his backup role and Kinkaid is going back to his temporary starter role.  

Hynes definitely sounded like he was going to go right back to Lack next game to me. I also disagree he let in a few softies. Goal 1 was put in by a Devil, goal 2 didn’t even happen, goal 3 was a nice shot, and goal four took a bad bounce off of Stafford’s stick. Lack looked much more comfortable in net to me than Kinkaid on any given night. He also made 2 really good saves that were impressive. Kinkaid flashes that quick glove once in awhile but it feels like most of the time it’s a shot that wouldn’t have been on net anyway. 

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Just now, Jersey Sure said:

This is an important point.  Our 1st line has been Nico/Hall/Bratt.  Because this is their 1st NHL season and because they are teenagers, both Nico and Bratt have been playing on a shift and minutes limit.  Both are playing 21/22 shifts per game and Hynes has been real careful in limiting their minutes to about 16:30 per game.

So 2 of this team's 1st line players rank outside the top 150 in the NHL forwards in both shifts and minutes.  And it is the right thing to do, but it does put the team into a different situation in terms of 2 of it's best players not playing what other team's top forwards play.

Palms should be playing with Nico and Hall going forward. He just has more finish than Bratt at this point. 

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16 minutes ago, NJDfan1711 said:

I don't expect Lack to start next game.  Not that I'd rather Kinkaid, at this point I could really care less -- they're essentially the same in terms of their ability and what we're going to get out of them. But Lack got his time yesterday, let in a few softies, and that's that.  He's going back to his backup role and Kinkaid is going back to his temporary starter role.  

I'd take Lack 100 times out of 100 over KK after last night.  The first two were a combo of bad luck and rust.

I really don't want to see that sh!tbag KK's face ever again on this team after this season.  He sucks, the fans who think he is even a halfway capable goaltender are complete morons and his Twitter account should be used as an example by other teams going forward of how not to look like a complete idiot.

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Tough a loss as any last night, team played well enough to get two points against the best team in the NHL right now but a combination of bad luck and a ghost goal puts us behind the 8-ball. This stretch of games is going to be brutal and they have to find a way to pick up some points, they're still playing well which is encouraging but every night it just seems to be something new that sinks em.

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7 hours ago, sundstrom said:

Why now?

because now is when they rip your heart out. 

All those other years - we knew they sucked and they were kind enough to follow through. You sat through it but you weren’t built up to be torn down. 

It’s the disappointment that is the worst and the feeing like you’re not doing anything to fix it. 

Saying we’d all sign up for this at the start of the season - well sure. Going into the season, I pegged them for 83 points - 36-35-11. And then they had the first 40 games. So after a while, you forget what you thought and reset expectations. 

And then the team tailspins and management doesn’t try to fix it. 

It sucks. 

This isn’t like ‘98 when I was disgusted with good teams not being able to get out of round 1 or 2009 game 7 which was the worst sports moment of my life (yes worse than ‘94 ECF as I wasn’t there).

The fact is, I cannot care about this team as much as I have anymore. I don’t know why tonight made that happen for me but it has. I’m actually sad by it. My wife and my girls saw it and can’t understand it. Why this essentially random loss was the one that basically ruined the devils for me. 

But it has. Yes I’ll watch. And I’ll still go games this year as I have tickets. But i just can’t care as much anymore because there’s enough disappointments in life and I won’t let these guys be one for me anymore. 

I wouldn’t be surprised if I get back to the level I’ve been at but it’s gonna take something to get me there and I can’t see it happening this year.

 

I would do the exact same thing and feel the exact same way if I was in your shoes.

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7 minutes ago, Nicomo said:

Hynes definitely sounded like he was going to go right back to Lack next game to me. I also disagree he let in a few softies. Goal 1 was put in by a Devil, goal 2 didn’t even happen, goal 3 was a nice shot, and goal four took a bad bounce off of Stafford’s stick. Lack looked much more comfortable in net to me than Kinkaid on any given night. He also made 2 really good saves that were impressive. Kinkaid flashes that quick glove once in awhile but it feels like most of the time it’s a shot that wouldn’t have been on net anyway. 

I'm not saying Lack was terrible, but people have crucified Kinkaid for similar performances.  The first goal yesterday was pretty terrible. Embarrassing, actually.  On Hirschier, Mueller, and yes, Lack too.  The second goal, I agree, didn't happen.  Terrible call that we can't do anything about.  The third goal, while a nice shot indeed, wasn't exactly amazing.  I won't say it was a bad goal to let in, but it wasn't something that makes the highlight reels and you go "Oh my God, that was unstoppable!".  It was a one-timer from up top that had Lack moving cross-crease.  He was just a tad too slow and didn't get set and square in time to stop it - that's on him.  The fourth goal, another crappy one.  Sure it was a stupid bounce and also not on Lack, but it's a bad goal nonetheless.  Just as I was willing to give Kinkaid a somewhat long leash, I'm willing to do the same and wouldn't mind at all if Hynes goes back to Lack tomorrow, I just don't expect him to, and like I said before, for me, it's a flip of a coin at this point.  I don't think either guy is head and shoulders above the other.

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4 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

BTW Bratt has 1 point in his last 10 games.  It was an assist up in the Buffalo game.

I don't care what his salary/cap hit is or his age, if you are on the top line with Taylor fvcking Hall you gotta produce something.

Agree, he was essentially invisible last night.  After the first period they showed the guys skating off the ice through the Zamboni entrance, and there was a clear shot of him, and as soon as I saw him I thought "Oh yeah, where the fvck was he that period?  Didn't see or hear his name at all". 

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13 hours ago, mikepeluso8 said:

Most talented forward of the last 10-20 years. Precisely. Hall. 

jagr 

he was shooting pucks in off of zajac just to get zajac on the board lol

he was here past his prime but he was the most talented (forward) to wear a devils sweater ever

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Bratt just doesn’t shoot enough. He’s got 74, while Hall, Nico, Wood, and Palms are all well over 100. Hell, Boyle and Stafford both have more in 9 and 10 less games respectively. Bratt might have the second best shot on team after Palms, too. Needs to shoot more. 

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19 minutes ago, Nicomo said:

Palms should be playing with Nico and Hall going forward. He just has more finish than Bratt at this point. 

Nobody was saying that a week ago, all anyone on this board was talking about was how Palmieri can't finish at all. 

That said, he has the hot hand and I think he makes more sense with Hischier and Hall. Bratt and Hischier are too similar in my opinion, both very fast and very skilled, but neither is a pure shooter (at least not yet) like Palmieri. 

And, putting Bratt on the second line adds speed there. When we run a Hall-Hischier-Bratt line, basically all of our speed is on one line and then there's three lines of mediocre skating.

Except for Wood, whose speed is excellent if he ever figures out how to use it consistently instead on overstating the puck or crashing into the end boards or worse, the opponent's goalie for an interference penalty. He's starting to show some ability to do it (see his goal last night), but not with consistency (see his goal last night after coming out of the box for running the opponent's goalie). 

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2 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

I'd take Lack 100 times out of 100 over KK after last night.  The first two were a combo of bad luck and rust.

I really don't want to see that sh!tbag KK's face ever again on this team after this season.  He sucks, the fans who think he is even a halfway capable goaltender are complete morons and his Twitter account should be used as an example by other teams going forward of how not to look like a complete idiot.

But tell us how you really feel, heh heh. 

re:  KK, as bad teams evolve and upgrade their personnel, some guys are destined to be left behind.  KK was a passable backup prior to this season, but unfortunately for him this was not the season to be as overall crappy as he's been.  I think Shero is going to try to upgrade that position in the offseason...I think he'd even consider it now, but like Tri alluded to, not always easy to do in-season. 

9 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

BTW Bratt has 1 point in his last 10 games.  It was an assist up in the Buffalo game.

I don't care what his salary/cap hit is or his age, if you are on the top line with Taylor fvcking Hall you gotta produce something.

It's funny, more than once I've thought to myself, "Man, where's the guy who you couldn't help but notice earlier this season?"  He's been damned near invisible lately...but at the same time this is how it goes with the kids sometimes, in their first taste of an 82-game NHL season.  Liked very much that Hynes swapped him out for Palms on that line.  Palms has had some nice runs over the past couple of seasons (in some ways, as far as his offense goes, he's a like a more productive version of Henrique, in that he's a bit streaky)...he's currently (though quietly) putting one together now...playing with Hischier and and Hall could keep that going for a while.  Worth a shot. 

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Just now, Nicomo said:

Bratt just doesn’t shoot enough. He’s got 74, while Hall, Nico, Wood, and Palms are all well over 100. Hell, Boyle and Stafford both have more in 9 and 10 less games respectively. Bratt might have the second best shot on team after Palms, too. Needs to shoot more. 

This is a far easier way of saying part of what I was typing out in my long winded response above. 

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