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3 hours ago, mfitz804 said:

Correct. Which means he doesn’t have the value he once had.

Obviously.  

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I mean I feel bad piling on the guy cause he obviously was trying but geez even a handful more points out of that eleven game stretch and the Devils would be in GREAT position now.

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1 hour ago, NJDevs4978 said:

From what I've read it was not in the plan for Marty to play that year lol, he only got pushed up a year early cause the immortal Peter Sidorkowicz got hurt in camp.

It's obviously going back a ways, but I don't really remember Sidorkiewicz being brought in as anything more than insurance...his career was pretty much on life support at that time...he had a combined .867 save% for the previous four seasons (though in the last of those he got #1 minutes for a dreadful Ottawa team).  Billington and Mallette were dealt for him, in what seemed like a bit of a "What the hell" kind of deal at the time, in that two low-rung goalies were moved for each other.  I remember Marty (according to his book) not really expecting to be in Utica for much more than the lone season he spent there...I got the impression that he was a little bummed that he had to go there after getting a taste of NHL action in 1991-92, but Lou had told him the plan for 1992-93 was for him the spend the whole season in the AHL.

 

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27 minutes ago, NJDevs4978 said:

I mean I feel bad piling on the guy cause he obviously was trying but geez even a handful more points out of that eleven game stretch and the Devils would be in GREAT position now.

If he went 1-7-3 instead of 0-9-2, that would change so much right now.

Kinkaid has done a marvelous job pulling this season out of the fire after Schneider choked it away. I don't think any of us ever thought KK was capable of this.

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47 minutes ago, '7' said:

If he went 1-7-3 instead of 0-9-2, that would change so much right now.

Kinkaid has done a marvelous job pulling this season out of the fire after Schneider choked it away. I don't think any of us ever thought KK was capable of this.

He's shown flashes within games of making big saves since he came up  (think his 1st save was on a nice breakaway by stamkos).  The only thing that was lacking, esp during his slump was consistency.  Always knew he was good, and could play well if he fixed that issue... seems like he has, and is playing well.   Also i think he can see this is his chance to earn a starters role in the future, and more $$, so imo that helped to up his game.

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Schneider might not make another start the rest of the season, unless the game in Washington is meaningless.

That's how far Schneider has fallen.

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Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it's also interesting that the Devils have drafted at least one goalie every year since Shero has been here.  I doubt he was planning for the bottom to fall out on Schneider so soon, but perhaps part of the long term vision is to find adequate goaltending on the cheap. 

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5 hours ago, njbuff said:

Schneider might not make another start the rest of the season, unless the game in Washington is meaningless.

That's how far Schneider has fallen.

If he plays again this season, he may fall even further.

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1 hour ago, HellOnICE said:

Cory will play again this season. 

Only if the Devils are eliminated or clinch a spot before game #82.  They don't have much travel with only one back to back left and Montreal or not you can't risk letting the season die with a guy that hasn't won or allowed less than three goals in a game since 2017.

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1 hour ago, Daniel said:

Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it's also interesting that the Devils have drafted at least one goalie every year since Shero has been here.  I doubt he was planning for the bottom to fall out on Schneider so soon, but perhaps part of the long term vision is to find adequate goaltending on the cheap. 

Given this season, one wouldn't think we'd go into next season with the same tandem of goaltenders but that may indeed happen given Cory's contract and that it's a bit too soon to count him out. That said, we might very well be drafting a goaltender again.

If we don't go with the current tandem next season there certainly is a list of talent around the league we could take a look at:

https://dobberhockey.com/hockey-home/hockey-rankings/top-50-fantasy-prospect-goaltenders-fall-2017/

I wonder what it would take to get a Malcolm Subban-type. Tristan Jarry has had some moments of brilliance this season, the Rangers have a surplus of goaltender talent with Georgiev surprising (they have three goalies not named Georgiev who are all celebrated prospects) etc..

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If at any point we have a 7 point lead on the Panthers, I might let Cory have a start. 

If KK falls apart, obviously you can try Cory again as well. We’re all assuming KK gives us the best chance of winning, but if he has 2-3 abysmal games in a row, but somehow we’re still competing for a playoff spot, do you keep running him out there?

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Honestly, I don't think Cory is done after thinking about it.

The guy's never been known as a "clutch" player (that's a different discussion) but to expect a guy who was already struggling before getting hurt to step in cold and play elite hockey in what are essentially playoff games is a pretty tall task.

I think with a full offseason to clear his head and get his rhythm back he'll be in a fight to be our #1 again next year.

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1 hour ago, Devilsfan118 said:

Honestly, I don't think Cory is done after thinking about it.

The guy's never been known as a "clutch" player (that's a different discussion) but to expect a guy who was already struggling before getting hurt to step in cold and play elite hockey in what are essentially playoff games is a pretty tall task.

I think with a full offseason to clear his head and get his rhythm back he'll be in a fight to be our #1 again next year.

Nobody expected elite hockey before or after the injury. But we were expecting something better than the current season destroying chokefest that he put up.

Forget about being a #1, he needs to figure out how to win a game in 2018. This is a death spiral.

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20 minutes ago, '7' said:

Nobody expected elite hockey before or after the injury. But we were expecting something better than the current season destroying chokefest that he put up.

Forget about being a #1, he needs to figure out how to win a game in 2018. This is a death spiral.

He's suffered through a hideous slump, and sometimes players of ALL levels can inexplicably go through something like this.  But that doesn't equate to the guy being a gutless choker, and unfortunately I think that link is drawn far more often than it should be. 

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I don't think the Devils will move on from him. He'll get a chance next training camp, and I can't say he doesn't deserve one...but I would cut ties with him and trade him for another similar bad contract. Turn my attention to Antti Raanta. Bring him in to be a 50 game starter while Kinkaid gets 32. That would give us above average goaltending for next season.

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That's not all they will be looking for!

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15 minutes ago, aclc79 said:

That's not all they will be looking for!

they had better back up the truck for johnny, or that arena will be DOA:evil:

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3 minutes ago, EdgeControl said:

they had better back up the truck for johnny, or that arena will be DOA:evil:

They'll offer him as much as they possibly can. 

Will be very interesting to see if he stays.  I think it's 50-50.  I'm sure they'll make him a boatload of promises about how they'll do whatever it takes to improve, how they want to have a good team by the time they go into their new building, etc.  I still have this feeling that the Shero might kick the tires on him (not saying that they'll get him, just that they're not going to completely sit this one out...I'll go so far as to say they're near dark horse-territory.  But in the end, he either stays with the Isles or goes somewhere else). 

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55 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

They'll offer him as much as they possibly can. 

Will be very interesting to see if he stays.  I think it's 50-50.  I'm sure they'll make him a boatload of promises about how they'll do whatever it takes to improve, how they want to have a good team by the time they go into their new building, etc.  I still have this feeling that the Shero might kick the tires on him (not saying that they'll get him, just that they're not going to completely sit this one out...I'll go so far as to say they're near dark horse-territory.  But in the end, he either stays with the Isles or goes somewhere else). 

I've heard many experts saying the Devils were in the hunt for JT. JT wouldn't have to move far away, still in the NY area, would come to a young, fast and upcoming team that is in better position than the Isles for sure. We instantly become a really dangerous team with Tavares. Could you imagine our Top 6 with him? Just thinking about it gives me fvcking shivers. We've seen Shero pull some of those moves before. He'll at least try that's for sure.

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6 minutes ago, Devs3cups said:

I've heard many experts saying the Devils were in the hunt for JT. JT wouldn't have to move far away, still in the NY area, would come to a young, fast and upcoming team that is in better position than the Isles for sure. We instantly become a really dangerous team with Tavares. Could you imagine our Top 6 with him? Just thinking about it gives me fvcking shivers. We've seen Shero pull some of those moves before. He'll at least try that's for sure.

Obviously, he's got to WANT to come here first...obviously only one guy knows if he really does.

But assuming that he'd be interested...there's still some hurdles.  Hall will be due to a max-type contract as well in a couple of years if he keeps playing like this...suddenly you'll have two of those on the books...which means you'll need some relative bargains somewhere else.  Shero will have to find some fairly young and cheap defensemen...he'll have to get creative in finding one (to his credit, though Vatanen isn't cheap, Shero did a fine job finding a good defensemen at a very reasonable cost).  A young goalie who won't be due a ton of money would be nice too (though if Schneider can regain his form, his cap hit is not really an issue). 

Not saying that Shero will be dead-set against having two huge deals on his books, but it could hinder his flexibility going forward...and he's done a great job in giving himself a lot of that (mostly by avoiding bad UFA contracts).  But I'm with you, the idea of Tavares, Hall, Nico and Palms in the Devils' Top 6 definitely gives one shivers.  That's a hell of a group, and that doesn't even include the guys lying in the weeds (like Bratt, etc).  You can also deal off a guy like McLeod as part of a package for a right-now type piece (either in the offseason or next year's deadline).  But that's getting ahead of ourselves. 

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5 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Obviously, he's got to WANT to come here first...obviously only one guy knows if he really does.

But assuming that he'd be interested...there's still some hurdles.  Hall will be due to a max-type contract as well in a couple of years if he keeps playing like this...suddenly you'll have two of those on the books...which means you'll need some relative bargains somewhere else.  Shero will have to find some fairly young and cheap defensemen...he'll have to get creative in finding one (to his credit, though Vatanen isn't cheap, Shero did a fine job finding a good defensemen at a very reasonable cost).  A young goalie who won't be due a ton of money would be nice too (though if Schneider can regain his form, his cap hit is not really an issue). 

Not saying that Shero will be dead-set against having two huge deals on his books, but it could hinder his flexibility going forward...and he's done a great job in giving himself a lot of that (mostly by avoiding bad UFA contracts).  But I'm with you, the idea of Tavares, Hall, Nico and Palms in the Devils' Top 6 definitely gives one shivers.  That's a hell of a group, and that doesn't even include the guys lying in the weeds (like Bratt, etc).  You can also deal off a guy like McLeod as part of a package for a right-now type piece (either in the offseason or next year's deadline).  But that's getting ahead of ourselves. 

Oh yeah for sure. If signing Tavares means that we highly run the risk of losing Hall because of money issues, I don't do it. And yeah Nico will have to get (and will get) a long-term deal too in 2 years, at the same time as Hall, which shouldn't be a problem. So I don't think it's impossible when looking at our cap, but I definitely choose Hall over JT. I mean, it's a long shot, but Shero has managed a few HUGE cap hits with the Pens, so it's not impossible he goes for it. If he does manage to get him, it's because he's gonna have thought it through in order to not hurt the future of the team. Not betting on it happening though.

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21 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

But I'm with you, the idea of Tavares, Hall, Nico and Palms in the Devils' Top 6 definitely gives one shivers.  That's a hell of a group, and that doesn't even include the guys lying in the weeds (like Bratt, etc).  You can also deal off a guy like McLeod as part of a package for a right-now type piece (either in the offseason or next year's deadline).  But that's getting ahead of ourselves. 

1. Sign JT.

2. Package McLeod++ for Karlsson.

3. Plan the parades.

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