Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Kinkyisth3b3st said: So, question: what would it take from the Yankees to get DeGrom or Syndergaard? Assume that anyone not named Bird, Judge, Sanchez, Severino, or Torres is available. And for the sake of this exercise, assume that you'd actually make any trade with the Yankees. Does something like Andujar or Tyler Austin, Clint Frazier, and a few B-level prospects bring back either? You get an immediate starting 3rd baseman or 1st baseman (if Adrian Gonzalez remembers that it's 2018 any time soon), and Frazier is an MLB-ready bat who would immediately be one of the most exciting young bats the Mets have had in a long time. (He's currently one of the most exciting young bats the Yankees have had in a long time). Am I way off on value here? Nothing against you (and I will happily discuss this potential trade scenario with you shortly), but one thing that fans of teams other than the Yankees HATE is when Yankee fans go into "So what star/superstar player can we pry from another team...because we're the almighty Yankees and we should get whatever we want, and teams should be willing to give it to us." The rest of MLB isn't dreaming of ways to help the Yankees win yet another friggin' Championship. Your team is already pretty ridiculously stacked...do you really need a top-flite (or in Thor's case, a potentially top-flite) starting pitcher? I think the Yankees would be fine with a solid middle-tier guy, if they decide that they really need another starter. With that offense (sure, they might be prone come postseason, when there's less chum to fatten up on), a guy who can pitch 6+ IP and give up 3 ER should have plenty of chances to win games as a Yankee. Semi-rant aside, and looking at this as a pure "discussing a baseball move", as far as pure Yankee untouchables go, on your list I think only Judge and Severino are the only ones 100% off the table...Yankees can't possibly trade a young Judge (who hits like Mickey Mantle), and why trade a good pitcher to get a good pitcher? I'm not so sure the Mets really need a first base prospect just yet...they have Dominic Smith in AAA (who's still a prospect but has seen his stock fall a bit) and Paul Alonso in AA (who's raking at the moment, but guys like Kevin Plawecki and others have shredded it in AA too). In this case, you HAVE to be willing to give to get, and it should cost the Yankees a "Met Premium"...the fans already have zero trust in the Wilpons or Alderson, and if the Mets were ever going to do something like this, they have to make sure that the return is overwhelming and something that, in terms of pure value, can't really be debated as a negative right off the bat...it's bad enough that the Mets never seem to be terribly interested in every trying to go all-in on a WS run, but to now help the crosstown team win one?! You know this is not going to go over well with Mets fans at all, especially early on. Keep in mind what the Yankees would be getting: in deGrom, a terrific pitcher who is STILL not making massive dollars, STILL has two more seasons after this one before he can declare FA (in 2021), and when he finally DOES become a free agent (assuming the Yankees don't just buy out his 2019 and 2020 arbitration years in signing him to a long-term deal), you'd probably only have to sign him to 4-5 years, as he'll be 32 heading into the 2021 season...you won't have to go crazy long-term with him. As we know, a LOT can happen with pitchers, and today's star can become tomorrow's zilch, in a hurry (see Harvey, Matt) but deGrom has been a very good performer, and doesn't show any signs of slowing up. He's also a guy that Mets fans LOVE...one of the few players that we feel that we can truly embrace. You want him, you're going to pay. With Noah, it's a bit different. Noah is a guy we WANT to embrace, but he seems to be content to be a cartoon caricature, and a pure thrower who wants to strike out everyone he faces with 100+ mph gas...great, but everyone knows that's what's coming now, and guys in the majors can hit 100 mph fastballs. Noah is seeing a lot more pitches fouled off (driving up the pitch count), and in his last 18 starts, he's given up 92 hits in 95 IP...he generally doesn't walk guys (only 16 BB over this same sample) and keeps the ball in the park (only 5 HR), and of course his K-to-BB ratio is beastly (110-to-16), but he's just not really pitching or thinking, as much as he is constantly trying to overpower. He's still obviously very young (four years younger than deGrom in fact), but we're getting to the point where we want to see pure dominance, instead of hints of it, or yet another "pretty good" outing. And like deGrom, he still has multiple arbitration years left...he can't become a FA until 2022. One other possible scenario (assuming the Yankees won't give up quite enough assets) is for the Yankees to be willing to take on at least one odious contract off the Met books. Say Vargas and Lagares. I fully get that Yankees would have zero use for either player (and Lagares is out for all of 2018), but I'm sure ANY opportunity that the Mets have to shed bad money, they'll jump on in a heartbeat. I'd love to dump Bruce's money, but the Yankees won't want to take that on, and I don't blame them one bit. Basically, to sum up, Thor and deGrom have a TON of value, and if the Yankees really want to add one of them, the Mets have have HAVE to make sure they get a ton in return, or get a lot back while shedding some dead money...I would understand completely, if this ever became a thing and these teams started discussing it, if the Yankees quickly decided to find another arm at a lower price...like I said previously, I really don't think the Yankees need to shoot all that high, especially if they have to pay a prohibitive price. Edited May 31, 2018 by Colorado Rockies 1976 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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