New York Mets 2018 season thread

['7']

That's a correct but garbage call on the ump. Absolutely Nimmo dropped his elbow. Should not have been a HBP. But they never ever call it. So why now?

['7']

This is extremely embarrassing and just...suspiciously bad and embarrassing too. It's not even quite mid June yet and the Mets have totally outright quit on their manager. To be this comatose, this lackadaisical, this apathetic, and this dead right now is more than just injuries and bad luck.

Their heart isn't in it. They've quit. I have never seen this level of apathy and detachment on June 12th from the Mets.

 

Edited June 13, 2018 by '7'

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

10 hours ago, '7' said:

This is extremely embarrassing and just...suspiciously bad and embarrassing too. It's not even quite mid June yet and the Mets have totally outright quit on their manager. To be this comatose, this lackadaisical, this apathetic, and this dead right now is more than just injuries and bad luck.

Their heart isn't in it. They've quit. I have never seen this level of apathy and detachment on June 12th from the Mets.

 

It goes from the top down.  The Wilpons don't give a damn, Sandy clearly doesn't (though he occasionally tries to put up a good front, like he did yesterday), and it doesn't matter if Mickey does, because he's just so in WAY over his head that his players have quickly picked up on it, and now they're quitting too. 

Last night summed up Zack Wheeler perfectly.  Given a 2-1 lead, IMMEDIATELY gives it up on his first pitch.  That's why I never get excited when he starts to show signs of improvement.  He'll never be consistent. 

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

And this is why it's SO easy to hate Sandy.  We're almost three months into the season and once again Reyes has been completely invisible when there was something actually worth playing for (brief though it may have been), but Sandy (in his typical "talk down to the little people, I'm so much smarter than all of you" way) is discussing how a decision like releasing Reyes will be based on merit.

MERIT?!  HOW MUCH MORE OF THIS sh!t DO YOU NEED TO SEE SANDY?!  The season is lost no matter how much you try to fake like it isn't...for once in your borderline worthless Met career, will you fvcking attempt to hold SOMEONE accountable without it taking forever?  No wonder you're looking up at the Braves yet again (who actually DON'T fvck around with such obvious decisions).  Goddamn...

https://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/mets-jose-reyes-1.19156808

And Jesus fvcking H Christ, stop using Jose's history here as some kind of excuse to keep him around.  Most Met fans can't stand him at this point, and if anything, all keeping him here is doing is making whatever support he still has dwindle more and more.  NO ONE wants to see this guy on the Mets anymore. 

Edited June 13, 2018 by Colorado Rockies 1976

['7']

Nothing new today. Comatose Mets refuse to compete in any way. 16-34 in their last 50. 4-17 in their last 21. No pulse

And they're LOOKED worse than those numbers. 

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

Jake has EVERY right to demand a trade at this point.  He's way too good for this.   

Bravo Sandy, that's a fine offense you've built there.  Nope, couldn't go outside your stupid little box, could ya?  You just HAD to load up on the only kind of hitter you seem to have any interest in, with other teams' discards thrown in for good measure.  Because that approach has really worked out well for you through the years. 

I'm pretty much boycotting watching this team until Sandy is kicked out on his worthless ass.  He has no business keeping a job he obviously doesn't want, and just like the team he built, I don't need to see him continue to go through the motions with uncreative, uninspired dreck moves.   

 

[NJDevs4978]

<checks Twitter for the first time around 2, sees the Mets barely broke up a no hitter and are down 1-0 in the 7th with Jake (again) getting worse run support than Cory Schneider in 2013-14>

<sighs, then goes back to ignoring this clown show>

What...a...joke

Edited June 13, 2018 by NJDevs4978

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

I couldn't be less interested in the Mets right now, truly.  A shame mostly because I still like getting comfortable in front of a TV and taking in a ballgame, even though baseball in general has lost some watchability (these hitters who won't even attempt to foil shifts...).  But too warm and green outside to waste time indoors watching such a sh&#33;t product. 

['7']

2 minutes ago, Kinkyisth3b3st said:

I'm so sorry guys. Yikes.

No team since 1900 has ever had as few as 15 runs and 48 hits in an 11-game span. 

That's what happens when you quit. And they have quit on their manager

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

5 minutes ago, '7' said:

That's what happens when you quit. And they have quit on their manager

The GM quit this offseason.  Really started with him.  Basically threw money away, just to make it look like he was doing something...but his entire offseason was questionable from the very start.  Bruce and Frazier have just about always been low-BA guys, and we've seen how bad Bruce can be when he's struggling...who the fvck was Sandy even bidding against when he gave Bruce THREE fvckING YEARS?!  Or for that matter, what the hell did Callaway say that was so dazzling that he got THREE fvckING YEARS?!  Vargas was about as bad as it got in his second half last year.  Sandy chose to completely ignore the catching situation...wow, a player who isn't good to begin with in TDA got hurt early in the year yet AGAIN!  EVERYONE saw that one coming.  Sandy deserves all of this coming back to blow up in his face, but when you don't give the slightest of fvcks and you're still getting paid handsomely, so what?  Cespedes agrees with that whole-heartedly. 

What I don't get is how the Wilpons just sit there and let this sh&#33;t happen, but I'll never be able to make sense of the Wilpons.  And it's not like they're the only bad owners on the planet.  Plenty more where they came from.

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

17 minutes ago, Kinkyisth3b3st said:

I'm so sorry guys. Yikes.

No team since 1900 has ever had as few as 15 runs and 48 hits in an 11-game span. 

You're not THAT sorry I'm sure. 

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

Well, there's this...same ol' Matt Harvey.  Said that after his last outing that he's feeling better than he has in quite some time.  He threw 102 pitches and gave up 3 more HRs (that's now 13 in 57.1 IP on his season).  He's allowed 13 ER in his last 16.1 IP.  Right Matt, keep telling yourself you're making progress...heh heh. 

['7']

 

 

Jacob deGrom is literally the unluckiest in recorded baseball history. ... starter has posted an ERA under 1.00 over 10 starts, the team has never won fewer than four games. DeGrom has a 0.87 ERA over his last 10 starts. The Mets are 2-8

 

[NJDevs4978]

18 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Well, there's this...same ol' Matt Harvey.  Said that after his last outing that he's feeling better than he has in quite some time.  He threw 102 pitches and gave up 3 more HRs (that's now 13 in 57.1 IP on his season).  He's allowed 13 ER in his last 16.1 IP.  Right Matt, keep telling yourself you're making progress...heh heh. 

At this point he might have to get a minor league/tryout deal next year. Far cry from the $200 million he and Bora$ envisioned in 2015.

Edited June 14, 2018 by NJDevs4978

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

4 minutes ago, NJDevs4978 said:

At this point he might have to get a minor league/tryout deal next year. Far cry from the $200 million he and Bora$ envisioned in 2015.

He may get a $1-3 million "Bet On Yourself"-type deal from a team with little to lose (maybe more if he improves as the season goes on), but he really hasn't been any more impressive as a Red than he was as a Met (he's allowing less baserunners, but just getting taken deep constantly...he's now allowed 34 HR over his last 150 IP, dating back to last season...that's a tick over 2 HR per 9 IP...no one is going to have success allowing dingers at that rate)...right now he's got "Invite to spring with a chance to make the team in 2019" written all over him. 

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

Typical Sandy/Met trash bin move...reliever Chris Beck claimed off waivers from the White Sox:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/beckch02.shtml

Yep, career 1.70 WHIP, and a guy who both walks people AND gives up a lot of hits...but on the plus side, he also gives up a lot of dingers, and doesn't really strike out many guys.  But at least he's in the Land of 1000000 Chances now, so he'll get LOTS of looks.

Edited June 14, 2018 by Colorado Rockies 1976

[NJDevs4978]

3 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Typical Sandy/Met trash bin move...reliever Chris Beck claimed off waivers from the White Sox:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/beckch02.shtml

Yep, career 1.70 WHIP, and a guy who both walks people AND gives up a lot of hits...but on the plus side, he also gives up a lot of dingers, and doesn't really strike out many guys.  But at least he's in the Land of 1000000 Chances now, so he'll get LOTS of looks.

Cause claiming a guy cut from one of the few bullpens worse than yours is always a good idea in Metsworld

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

1 hour ago, Kinkyisth3b3st said:

I consider myself a Mets supporter. When I tune into their games I hope they win. I cheered hard for you guys while at bars in NY when you went to the Series in 2015. I have literally 0 ill-will towards the Mets.

And I've known you douche-canoes for like a decade. After the torrid start; seeing a team I like plummet to these new lows while a bunch of my internet friends are probably pulling their hair out does make me sorry. 

I was/am sincere.

Oh I know, I was really just joking with you (I have to laugh to keep from losing my fvcking mind over this franchise), but at least the team you primarily root for should be a contender for years to come.  For me, '7', Has and too many others, it's "Jesus H Christ here we go AGAIN."  It's fvcking STUNNING that we're here AGAIN.  This team is nowhere near a championship.  Who knows when they will be.

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

9 minutes ago, NJDevs4978 said:

Cause claiming a guy cut from one of the few bullpens worse than yours is always a good idea in Metsworld

If MLB was a neighborhood and each team had a house there, and trash day came along, Sandy would show up in a rusty ol' pickup and start throwing sh&#33;t in the back with a great big smile on his face.  That is literally the only way the Mets acquire players now.  How many times have we seen it?  It's fvcking nauseating.

['7']

Quitfest 2018 merrily rolls along as the Mets sleepwalk through another one with 0 fight. Just going through the motions. Only 97 games to go

[Daniel]

15 minutes ago, Kinkyisth3b3st said:

Talk to me about the Mets future. Who's on the pipeline? 

You've got Syndergaard and deGrom under team control for at least another 3 years. That's a solid 3-year window of a potential World Series team if the right moves are made and you catch fire with a rookie or two. Lets not debate the will they/ won't they, but if Sandy grabs either Machado or Harper for 2019, are there enough pieces coming up the pipeline to fill around them and make a serious run next year?  

The word is that they don't really have anyone.  But remember that the Yankees were pretty much in the same position four years ago.  A lot of people were talking about Judge as a questionable major leaguer and expected Sanchez to be a disappointment.  So things like that can sometimes turn on a dime, but Alderson will have to be creative at the trade deadline like Cashman was with Miller and Chapman in 2016, but everyone says that's not how he operates.

The Mets should also have a high first round draft pick next year, so something might come of that.

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

AAA is pretty much barren.  1B Dominic Smith has been "graduated" for the moment, but the Mets are not high on him at all...the good news is that he lost weight in the offseason and has kept it off, but he was having a poor year (by PCL standards) with the bat in 2018, and he showed up late for a spring training meeting, which on top of his conditioning being up-and-down for much of his pro career, has soured the organization on him.  Peter Alonso should soon be moving up to AAA, and he's quickly becoming the "hopeful future" at 1B.  Mets have had their share of hitters rake at AA and not do much in the majors (Plawecki, Rosario, etc), so I can't go too crazy about Alonso...he's also not that young for AA (23.5 years old). 

C'mon, there's NO way in hell that the Mets go after Harper or Machado and you know that...it's a clear "they won't".  I'm all for discussing scenarios that will help the Mets improve, but I think trading either deGrom or Syndergaard has more merit at this point than the Mets signing a mega-priced FA anytime soon. 

Daniel, Sandy is one of the least creative GMs out there.  He's a complete zilch in that department.  I'm terrified of him getting any chance to dictate a return for deGrom if the Mets go that route...deGrom is too good for someone to outright fleece the Mets, but I can definitely see a "That's IT?!" kind of haul if Sandy moves deGrom.  If you read through this thread, you'll see that I rip Sandy plenty, and I think a big problem is that he's basically a disgruntled employee who doesn't give a fvck anymore.  He's been taking the same approach to building a team around the starting staff that he mostly inherited (or was able to bring in thanks to a pair of Omar signings having big years at just the right time)...he completely ignores defense (see Bruce, Jay), doesn't seem to care too much about BA/OB% (see Bruce, Jay), or how much a guy strikes out (see Bruce, Jay), but seems to favor HRs over everything else, in a ballpark that is SCREAMING for a small-ball kind of offense, full of contact hitters who can get on base, put the damned ball in play, work pitchers, and keep the train moving.  If you look at Sandy's past offseason, you can't tell me that he didn't completely mail it in...those were moves made for the sake of making moves...everyone else knew to steer clear of Vargas after his rotten second half, but not only did Sandy sign him right up, he gave Vargas TWO YEARS!  Oh, and of course, no one is ever held accountable for anything.  That's why a nothing like Jose fvcking Reyes can do nothing for half a season last year, get to come back to do NOTHING again to start this season, and STILL SOMEHOW TAKE UP A ROSTER SPOT. 

I would feel some level of optimism if the Mets had a GM that could actually be bothered to do homework, have the slightest bit of creativity, etc.  But they don't.  And as long as that lazy disinterested condescending POS gets to stick around, there's no hope for this franchise. 

Edited June 15, 2018 by Colorado Rockies 1976

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

Brian Cashman is a FAR better GM than Sandy Alderson.  Not even close...yeah, it's nice when you can take on a contract like Stanton's without issue, but Cashman did a fine job re-stocking his farm.  I'm not saying what you're suggesting can't possibly happen, but to me, the only was it will is if:

1) Jeff Wilpon is no longer involved in the day-to-day operations of the Mets.  He likes to think that he's a baseball guy, but he isn't, never will be, and all he'll do is meddle and get in the way.  Unfortunately there's zero chance of Jeffy being completely cut of the equation, so all you can hope for is diminished involvement. 

2) Sandy is gone as GM.

To me, #2 is more necessary than #1...if you find the right guy (preferably someone young, fresh, sought-after, and energetic) and get Jeffy to stay out of things just enough (if I'm a legit GM I'd pretty much demand that before I take the job), then I think there's some hope for the future.

I'm starting to think we might see Omar Part II if Sandy is ever given the boot.  I'm not sure how I feel about that.  Really depends on how much Omar learned from his past mistakes, especially his obsessions with race. 

 

[NJDevs4978]

I'd prefer Omar if and only if the Mets went into an actual rebuild mode.  Clearly his strength was identifying young talent despite some high-profile whiffs like Fernando Martinez and Lastings Milledge.  If you're bringing back Omar and telling him to spend to the level of a high mid-market team and be win-now agressive then expect more Luis Castillo and Ollie Perez-type signings and reckless win-now trades.

Edited June 15, 2018 by NJDevs4978

[NJDevs4978]

4 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

AAA is pretty much barren.  1B Dominic Smith has been "graduated" for the moment, but the Mets are not high on him at all...the good news is that he lost weight in the offseason and has kept it off, but he was having a poor year (by PCL standards) with the bat in 2018, and he showed up late for a spring training meeting, which on top of his conditioning being up-and-down for much of his pro career, has soured the organization on him.  Peter Alonso should soon be moving up to AAA, and he's quickly becoming the "hopeful future" at 1B.  Mets have had their share of hitters rake at AA and not do much in the majors (Plawecki, Rosario, etc), so I can't go too crazy about Alonso...he's also not that young for AA (23.5 years old). 

Sadly I'm starting to wonder if Dom's one of these guys who's actually better with more weight like David Wells or Mo Vaughn (before he got too overboard and developed knee problems).  Svelting down seems to have only lessened his bat.

To be fair re: Sandy potentially trading deGrom, he did come back with Thor plus for R.A.Dickey so I'm not AS worried about a potential return as I am not wanting to do one in the first place.  Trading him cause the organization's too damn incompetent to find it's own prospects doesn't work for me, especially when you have all these other long-term vets hopelessly on the books next couple years.  You can't truly rebuild with Bruce, Ces, etc hanging around.

Edited June 15, 2018 by NJDevs4978