NJDevs4978 Posted June 24, 2018 Author Share Posted June 24, 2018 At least they finally got rid of Hansel Robles lol Of course now they have Reyes and Joey Bautista putting up numbers in useless spots again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted June 25, 2018 Author Share Posted June 25, 2018 At this point it's low-hanging fruit but Vacarro laying down the wood to Sandy and rightly so: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 It's funny...in a lot of ways, Vaccaro's article echoes what FANS like me and others have noted about Sandy for quite some time now...that the minimal amount of success that he's actually enjoyed here has not had that much to do with players that HE acquired, and that he was VERY lucky that his preferred trade scenarios in 2015 didn't work out...if his first choice (Carlos Gomez) had come here, Sandy's probably the former Met GM for at least two seasons now. It's a hoot to see Sandy getting shredded to this extent now...that piece of sh!t human wrecking ball deserves every last bit of it. I also love the dramatic headline...sadly it's not OVERLY dramatic in the slightest, because every day that fvcking useless pile of nothing continues to be the GM, the Mets are completely screwed. And though I've touched on it, I like seeing Vaccaro acknowledging the painfully obvious...why the hell does friggin' SANDY of all people get the chance to louse up yet another scenario...in this case, the upcoming (and now-guaranteed selling) trade deadline? If you allow him to make these deals, then you're basically telling us that this fvcker will get to oversee a rebuild too...one that he'll have to manage with his OWN players this time. The Wilpons have have HAVE to wake up long enough to realize that this cannot be allowed to happen. They gotta rid themselves of Sandy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 (edited) There is no way to explain what has happened since the team was 12-2. I know injuries and all that, but I'm sorry this team has no excuse for 1962 level play for this long. They should be in no way shape or form anywhere worse than 5 games under .500. Heck a good manager could still have them at about 38-37. I still think that's where they should be at this time. 14-35 in the last 49 is clean house/heads roll territory. You've got to be pretty incompetent and work very very hard to be that bad. That is a historically bad pace and we do not have historically bad talent. They have quit on a lot of games, they have no leadership or guts of any kind. This is spineless group of losers Edited June 25, 2018 by '7' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, '7' said: There is no way to explain what has happened since the team was 12-2. I know injuries and all that, but I'm sorry this team has no excuse for 1962 level play for this long. They should be in no way shape or form anywhere worse than 5 games under .500. Heck a good manager could still have them at about 38-37. I still think that's where they should be at this time. In a way this is how I feel about Sandy...I'm so bewildered at how bad his offseason was that I almost have to believe that he simply mailed it in and didn't even really try. Ironically I don't think a truly motivated or interested Sandy has that kind of offseason. I think he could actually be better than what he's been if he really wanted to be. And that's where I think that the headline title truly fits the bill. I think every day he's there now, he's damaging the franchise, simply because he's defeated and no longer gives a sh!t, and that mentality is working its way into every part of the Mets. He's toxic and poisonous now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said: In a way this is how I feel about Sandy...I'm so bewildered at how bad his offseason was that I almost have to believe that he simply mailed it in and didn't even really try. Ironically I don't think a truly motivated or interested Sandy has that kind of offseason. I think he could actually be better than what he's been if he really wanted to be. And that's where I think that the headline title truly fits the bill. I think every day he's there now, he's damaging the franchise, simply because he's defeated and no longer gives a sh!t, and that mentality is working its way into every part of the Mets. He's toxic and poisonous now. I think Sandy knows he's lost "it". Whatever he had as a once strong baseball visionary and roster builder is long long gone. We really need somebody more connected to todays game and has the right connections in terms of finding talent and the energy to keep up with the younger GM's. He just can't keep up with the younger guys. Why the hell is Chris Beck a Met? I mean it's pretty sad when Met fan armchair GM's on message boards can pretty much do a better job than Alderson in terms of evaluating talent and finding fits for the team going forward. Minaya can have the job tomorrow . As long as Bernazard isn't in the mix. Omar has his deficiencies but we all know he has a far far better eye for talent than Alderson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, '7' said: I think Sandy knows he's lost "it". Whatever he had as a once strong baseball visionary and roster builder is long long gone. We really need somebody more connected to todays game and has the right connections in terms of finding talent and the energy to keep up with the younger GM's. He just can't keep up with the younger guys. Why the hell is Chris Beck a Met? I mean it's pretty sad when Met fan armchair GM's on message boards can pretty much do a better job than Alderson in terms of evaluating talent and finding fits for the team going forward. Minaya can have the job tomorrow . As long as Bernazard isn't in the mix. Omar has his deficiencies but we all know he has a far far better eye for talent than Alderson Careful what you wish for with Omar. I'm not completely dead-set against it, and I think he'd be a step up from the lifeless corpse currently masquerading as the Met GM, but Omar had plenty of ugly moments during his run here, and sounded like a completely befuddled buffoon over his last couple of seasons. The big question of course is did he learn from his many mistakes? Is he still a guy who thinks of himself as some racial pioneer and crusader, who allows race to enter into his decision-making? If the answers are "yes" and "no"" to those two questions, then I think you can at least begin to entertain the idea of him becoming the GM again. At any rate, I'd feel safer with him as the interim GM starting immediately, and with him making deadline deals. Definitely him over Sandy. Edited June 25, 2018 by Colorado Rockies 1976 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 Mets losing 3-0...at least Reyes seems to be getting more playing time lately, which is just awesome on so many levels. A friggin' EXPANSION team cobbled together from scratch and castoffs could play better than this mess. Thanks once again Sandy. Fine job you've done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted June 26, 2018 Author Share Posted June 26, 2018 Yeah, I can tell you what you learned Mickey - you and your team pretty much all suck. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 Callaway really is Art Howe all over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 Callaway is worse than Howe. I think they at least sort of respected Howe. And that team had less talent and played harder. This team has mostly quit. I mean they absolutely never win 19-43 in our last 62. That's absolutely embarrassing beyond belief 7-26 in their last 33. I mean that's like 1962 level. This is a sh!tshow and Mindless Mickey needs to go. This stupid babbling about learning doesn't fly in New York Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 For sure, the more Mickey says, the more that I'm convinced that he can't possibly be more wrong for this job. He just sounds SO clueless. His "even keel no matter how insanely bad things get" demeanor is just absurd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 4 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said: For sure, the more Mickey says, the more that I'm convinced that he can't possibly be more wrong for this job. He just sounds SO clueless. His "even keel no matter how insanely bad things get" demeanor is just absurd. Players need to be self starters. Motivate themselves, and play the game hard and the right way regardless of who's manager. These are pro's. However when you have a manager the caliber of Calloway either in baseball or any walk of life...it's demoralizing. Because the players see themselves how he's outsmarted by virtually every other manager in in game decision making. They see how timid and overwhelmed he is. They just see a guy not ready for prime time in any way. I'm sure they like him as a person but they have zero respect for him as a manager The Marlins are about to pass us. This has gotten absurdly embarrassing and out of hand. Sandy has to go and Mickey has to go immediately Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derlique Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 Are the Mets the Senators of the MLB? What a ****show Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, Derlique said: Are the Mets the Senators of the MLB? What a ****show This is worse than the Torborg Mets, bad as those two teams were (Bob Klapisch wrote a book called "The Worst Team Money Could Buy" about the 1992 Mets, who finished 72-90...the 1993 team was even worse, going 59-103, leading to Torborg's firing just 38 game into his second season...I think he was signed to a 5-year deal IIRC). There really are no words for how bad it's gotten...they find a new rock bottom to hit on a daily basis. It's been discussed, but the only hope is for the Mets to rid themselves of both Sandy and the overwhelmed/underqualified idiot he hand-picked to be the manager, and just give a real baseball guy the keys to the castle...preferably the anti-Sandy...someone with a lot of creativity who can manage a mid-market payroll and has a real fire and energy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 Alderson taking a leave of absence from the Mets due to health reasons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted June 26, 2018 Author Share Posted June 26, 2018 (edited) Evidently a cancer recurrence. Prognosis is supposedly good. Almost feel bad for bagging on the guy now, especially after showing some brutal honesty below - but can the Mets just appoint one guy and not go with a college of GM's while Sandy's medically indpisposed? Edited June 26, 2018 by NJDevs4978 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 Hope he beats this. Guessing it's a recurrence of cancer. Awful awful thing. But it can be beaten. Just gotta hope hope they caught it early again and it's not in the bones or spread through the lymph nodes to multiple places in the body. It's such a tricky thing to fight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted June 26, 2018 Author Share Posted June 26, 2018 Yeah now we just have to hope he can recover and enjoy his retirement, wouldn't expect him to come back either way after a second cancer scare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 56 minutes ago, NJDevs4978 said: Yeah now we just have to hope he can recover and enjoy his retirement, wouldn't expect him to come back either way after a second cancer scare. Yea in his press conference he mentioned that he doesn't even think he deserves to come back. Turns out this recurred in April and he tried to work through it the past 3 months but it was clearly effecting him. He's in his 70's as is. Now add this on top of it. Did he have the stamina for the job? Sure didn't look it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 (edited) Obviously, as far as Sandy the human being goes, I wish him nothing but luck in his recovery. Cancer obviously hits home for a lot of us. I still stand by everything I said about Sandy the GM...even if he's actually showing some signs of honesty now (though not fully...this past offseason couldn't have been more mail-it-in and uninspired, and the product reflects it...Sandy will never admit that he's been half-assing things for a while now), as badly as I feel for him having to fight cancer one more time and the circumstances that have brought an abrupt end to his time here, I don't feel badly about him leaving in the slightest...it was time, and it needed to happen ASAP. Now it has, and we can stop hoping for it. Can't say that I'm thrilled about the three-headed monster GM (especially since Ricco is basically Sandy Part Deux), but gotta give the Mets some time to come up with something more concrete...I don't expect this to be permanent. If you believe what Fatso says, apparently Omar has no interest in becoming the Met GM going forward (if the Wilpons were going to be my bosses, I wouldn't want the job either...this is going to be a problem going forward). I'm really hoping the Mets go outside the organization myself. Ricco has no business being here beyond this season, as far as I'm concerned. Edited June 27, 2018 by Colorado Rockies 1976 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 4 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said: Obviously, as far as Sandy the human being goes, I wish him nothing but luck in his recovery. Cancer obviously hits home for a lot of us. I still stand by everything I said about Sandy the GM...even if he's actually showing some signs of honesty now (though not fully...this past offseason couldn't have been more mail-it-in and uninspired, and the product reflects it...Sandy will never admit that he's been half-assing things for a while now), as badly as I feel for him having to fight cancer one more time and the circumstances that have brought an abrupt end to his time here, I don't feel badly about him leaving in the slightest...it was time, and it needed to happen ASAP. Now it has, and we can stop hoping for it. Can't say that I'm thrilled about the three-headed monster GM (especially since Ricco is basically Sandy Part Deux), but gotta give the Mets some time to come up with something more concrete...I don't expect this to be permanent. If you believe what Fatso says, apparently Omar has no interest in becoming the Met GM going forward (if the Wilpons were going to be my bosses, I wouldn't want the job either...this is going to be a problem going forward). I'm really hoping the Mets go outside the organization myself. Ricco has no business being here beyond this season, as far as I'm concerned. To me the situation seems just about hopeless. Ricco is thoroughly uninspiring and not a baseball guy. And it really says something that somebody like Omar Minaya would not even be interested in another GM gig. I would figure he came back for that reason only, to finish the job he started years ago. What quality baseball guy are we going to find? Who would even come here and work for Fred and Jeff? And even if by some miracle we do land one it's a certainty his effectiveness will be compromised by his bumbling clown bosses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 13 minutes ago, '7' said: To me the situation seems just about hopeless. Ricco is thoroughly uninspiring and not a baseball guy. And it really says something that somebody like Omar Minaya would not even be interested in another GM gig. I would figure he came back for that reason only, to finish the job he started years ago. What quality baseball guy are we going to find? Who would even come here and work for Fred and Jeff? And even if by some miracle we do land one it's a certainty his effectiveness will be compromised by his bumbling clown bosses Frank Cashen had some stones...back before he got the job, he basically said to ownership "I need time to build this up, you need patience, you need to leave me alone and let me do my job." And he was given that power. That's what the Mets need...someone who will basically tell Jeffy to get the fvck out of the way and stop pretending to be a baseball man (since no one in the league respects him on that level anyway), and leave the heavy lifting to the guys actually qualified to do it. Of course, I don't really know who the 2018 version of Frank Cashen might be. But I definitely firmly believe that the qualified individual who is able to truly tell the Wilpons to stay out of things and make that actually happen has a chance to succeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 28 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said: Frank Cashen had some stones...back before he got the job, he basically said to ownership "I need time to build this up, you need patience, you need to leave me alone and let me do my job." And he was given that power. That's what the Mets need...someone who will basically tell Jeffy to get the fvck out of the way and stop pretending to be a baseball man (since no one in the league respects him on that level anyway), and leave the heavy lifting to the guys actually qualified to do it. Of course, I don't really know who the 2018 version of Frank Cashen might be. But I definitely firmly believe that the qualified individual who is able to truly tell the Wilpons to stay out of things and make that actually happen has a chance to succeed. I really hope to see someone who does. Really I would want something in writing from the Wilpons before taking the job regarding boundaries they won't cross and meddling. If they want a winner they have to keep their distance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Familia is another rancid pile of trash who can't disappear fast enough. Unfortunately his value is pretty low but we still have to get something for this spineless bastard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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