jagknife Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said: The child has grown, the dream is gone. Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii have become, comfortably numb we knew it was a long shot he’d come here anyway. Hope he gets used to one finals appearance ever, and being scratched once or twice a month cause DeBoer (I kid i kid) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) As SJ doesn't have a first next year, if one of the prospects involved is not Merkely, I will be extremely annoyed if Shero didn't try to outbid SJ. https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1040307445153726465 Holy sh!t. If I'm an Ottawa fan, I'm storming the building Road Warrior style. Edited September 13, 2018 by Daniel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 i legit don't know any of the players involved. Sens fans will be jumping off bridges today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsfan118 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Daniel said: As SJ doesn't have a first next year, if one of the prospects involved is not Merkely, I will be extremely annoyed if Shero didn't try to outbid SJ. I try and not torture myself over stuff like this, because we have no clue what goes on behind closed doors and all that.. But at first glance, this return appears to be horrendous for Ottawa and I cannot believe we didn't outbid it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devs3cups Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Basically 2 average regular players, a decent NCAA prospect, and 2 first rounders for arguably the best defenceman in the world. Wow. Seems like a huge steal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Just now, Devs3cups said: Basically 2 average regular players, a decent NCAA prospect, and 2 first rounders for arguably the best defenceman in the world. Wow. Seems like a huge steal. It's one first rounder and a second rounder. They also got another prospect who I guess you can liken to Quenneville. The only thing I can think of is that Karlsson made it clear he wouldn't immediately sign an extension with any team except Tampa. Otherwise, McLeod, Wood, Severson and next year's first is easily better than what Ottawa ended up with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 I can imagine us not getting him had to do either with 1) Ott not wanting to trade within the conference 2) We are on his no-trade list or 3) a little bit of 1 and 2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 its very possible that he simply didn't want to come to NJ too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devs3cups Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Ottawa gave up more for Duchene than they got for Karlsson... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDfan1711 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 minute ago, SterioDesign said: its very possible that he simply didn't want to come to NJ too And if that's the case... fvck 'em. 🖕 I agree with everyone else though...seems like Ottawa's return is pretty weak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Just now, DevsMan84 said: I can imagine us not getting him had to do either with 1) Ott not wanting to trade within the conference 2) We are on his no-trade list or 3) a little bit of 1 and 2. You never know about 2, but I don't think guys like Dreger would be bringing us up if we were on his no trade list. As to 1, it's an extremely stupid reason not to take a superior deal, especially if it's just the same conference. I get it if it's a bitter rival. Let me put it this way, if Shero were in a position where he had to trade Hall, and got this sort of return and turned down something far superior from Buffalo because it was the same conference I would start breaking many things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 It's always funny to see these things go down... within minutes a bunch of fans from various fanbases are going from "PLEASE GOD GIVE US THAT PLAYER NOW!!!" to "WHO CARES HE'S OVERRATED ANYWAY!!!!" haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Daniel said: You never know about 2, but I don't think guys like Dreger would be bringing us up if we were on his no trade list. As to 1, it's an extremely stupid reason not to take a superior deal, especially if it's just the same conference. I get it if it's a bitter rival. Let me put it this way, if Shero were in a position where he had to trade Hall, and got this sort of return and turned down something far superior from Buffalo because it was the same conference I would start breaking many things. Oh me too and completely agree. However how many times do we still see smart GM's still stuck with these type of mentalities? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devs3cups Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Daniel said: You never know about 2, but I don't think guys like Dreger would be bringing us up if we were on his no trade list. As to 1, it's an extremely stupid reason not to take a superior deal, especially if it's just the same conference. I get it if it's a bitter rival. Let me put it this way, if Shero were in a position where he had to trade Hall, and got this sort of return and turned down something far superior from Buffalo because it was the same conference I would start breaking many things. This made me think back to the Schneider trade. It was pretty much a well known fact that Edmonton had a good player, blue chip prospect and 1st round pick on the table for Schneider, but he was traded to us for our 1st only. Made no sense whatsoever, but I'm not complaining lol. Thanks Gillis! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsfan118 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) So in summary: 2019 or 2020 1st 2019 2nd round pick 2021 2nd round pick (becomes 1st IF he re-signs AND they make it to the final) 1st in 2021 or 2022 if EK signs in the East THIS year (correction) Two low-level NHL roster players 1 average prospect For the best defenseman in hockey. Edited September 13, 2018 by Devilsfan118 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Devs3cups said: This made me think back to the Schneider trade. It was pretty much a well known fact that Edmonton had a good player, blue chip prospect and 1st round pick on the table for Schneider, but he was traded to us for our 1st only. Made no sense whatsoever, but I'm not complaining lol. Thanks Gillis! That I sorta got in that it was supposedly Edmonton, which is a real rival. It's also never clear if that was an offer from Edmonton, or was just what Vancouver was asking for. And at least there, Vancouver knew the exact pick and probably player they were getting who has turned into a very good NHL player. This return for Ottawa is just atrocious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMONPETEYD Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Classic Bend and Spread deal for Ottawa. San Jose doesn't own a 2019 pick at this current time, Buffalo has it from the Kane deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Devilsfan118 said: So in summary: 2019 or 2020 1st 2019 2nd round pick 2021 2nd round pick (becomes 1st IF he re-signs AND they make it to the final) 1st in 2021 or 2022 if EK signs in the East THIS year (correction) Two low-level NHL roster players 1 average prospect For the best defenseman in hockey. If Brown is right, that means that an extension was not part of the deal. If that's what they paid for a one year (or less) rental, I understand it more. Edited September 13, 2018 by mfitz804 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, CMONPETEYD said: Classic Bend and Spread deal for Ottawa. San Jose doesn't own a 2019 pick at this current time, Buffalo has it from the Kane deal. Yeah, I don't know why some people keep saying that. It's the 2020 first round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsfan118 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Unreal, just move the team already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsfan118 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 minute ago, mfitz804 said: If Brown is right, that means that an extension was not part of the deal. If that's what they paid for a one year rental, I understand it more. If he's purely a rental and has told San Jose that he is 100% going to test the market next summer, then yeah this deal makes a little more sense. But if he ends up re-upping in San Jose.. yikes. Yikes for Ottawa. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevils1214 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 All of Ottawa is on suicide watch after that return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satans Hockey Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 There was an article recently about how Ottawa only has 4 thousand season ticket holders. Getting fleeced on this deal sure isn't going to help attendance this season. What a nightmare it's been up there lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 How awful this is for Ottawa in perspective. Max Pacioretty on the last year of his deal brought back a better return than Karlsson. It might turn out that Jeff Skinner did too if Cliff Pu turns out to be better than Norris. One extra playoff run of Ryan McDonough blows the Karlsson return out of the water. Vegas was offering something much bigger at the TDL for Karlsson, but supposedly Melnyk insisting that Ryan be included killed the deal. Not even in the depths of the Michael Ryder, Bobby Butler days were things this awful for us. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleBallofHate Posted September 13, 2018 Author Share Posted September 13, 2018 In other "news" ... 😄 Kyle Dubas said he will not be continuing on with Lou's rules of no facial hair with #Leafs. Says Leafs are asking for nine-month long commitment from players and families and therefore will let them express themselves (professionally) however they choose. So, beards are in. — Kristen Shilton (@kristen_shilton) September 13, 2018 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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