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1 hour ago, Kinkyisth3b3st said:

If you're Ottawa, I think you seriously consider giving up your #4 overall to the Avalanche this year to hold on to your first-round pick next year. I think we're about to see expansion-level Ottawa for a few years, and a proper re-build cannot and will not happen without a top-2 or 3 pick. This year's 4th overall likely isn't a franchise player. 

It’s sounding a lot like Zadina is gonna fall to that 4 spot, and as much as I like Zadina, you can’t risk giving up Jack Hughes next year who by my judgement is probably on the same level as Auston Matthews and Jack Eichel. I agree Ottawa should just wash their hands of this and give the #4 to Colorado

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It’s sounding a lot like Zadina is gonna fall to that 4 spot, and as much as I like Zadina, you can’t risk giving up Jack Hughes next year who by my judgement is probably on the same level as Auston Matthews and Jack Eichel. I agree Ottawa should just wash their hands of this and give the #4 to Colorado

And then when Ottawa doesn’t win the lottery next year, they’ll look even dumber.

 

 

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Just now, MadDog2020 said:


And then when Ottawa doesn’t win the lottery next year they’ll look even dumber.


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If Ottawa is as bad next year as we're expecting them to be, they would probably end up at 4th or 5th again anyways if they lose the lottery, so they would be at square one and get a prospect of similar quality without risking giving away a franchise center prospect in Jack Hughes. To me it's a no-brainer, but it is Ottawa we're talking about.

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3 minutes ago, CommonDreads said:

If Ottawa is as bad next year as we're expecting them to be, they would probably end up at 4th or 5th again anyways if they lose the lottery, so they would be at square one and get a prospect of similar quality without risking giving away a franchise center prospect in Jack Hughes. To me it's a no-brainer, but it is Ottawa we're talking about.

Didn't Ottawa already pass the point where they could just tell Colorado it's this year's pick instead of next year's, and now Colorado has to agree to it?  If so, why does Colorado agree to give them their pick back for anything other than the main piece in a trade for Karlsson? 

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1 minute ago, Daniel said:

Didn't Ottawa already pass the point where they could just tell Colorado it's this year's pick instead of next year's, and now Colorado has to agree to it?  If so, why does Colorado agree to give them their pick back for anything other than the main piece in a trade for Karlsson? 

I was under the impression that Ottawa had until the day of the draft to notify Colorado, but I may be wrong. I was listening to the 31 Thoughts podcast today and Friedman was still discussing the Ottawa situation as if the Sens still had the option of surrendering this year's pick instead of next year's, but again he might be mistaken as well.

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38 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

 

 

 


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What else would they say?

”Yeah, we totally did that sh!t!”

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1 hour ago, CommonDreads said:

I was under the impression that Ottawa had until the day of the draft to notify Colorado, but I may be wrong. I was listening to the 31 Thoughts podcast today and Friedman was still discussing the Ottawa situation as if the Sens still had the option of surrendering this year's pick instead of next year's, but again he might be mistaken as well.

Possible you're correct, but I haven't heard anyone really talking about it, even on HF Boards where they literally bring up every hockey move you could possibly conceive of and then some.

If you're right though, Ottawa should trade Karlsson before the draft, get another pick in this first round, perhaps one next year and bite the bullet on losing out on Zadina or Quinn Hughes.  You just can't be in a position where someone else is drafting someone of Jack Hughes caliber with your pick.

EDIT:  According to this, Ottawa can give its 2018 pick to Colorado right up to the time it's on the clock.

https://www.milehighhockey.com/2018/6/14/17462058/could-colorado-avalanche-pick-fourth-at-the-2018-nhl-entry-draft-ottawa-sneators-trade-rumor

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10 minutes ago, sokar said:

and it begins

Already have seen a few NJ fans crying on Twitter that Shero didn’t make this move. Really hoping they’re in jest and not serious

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What I mean is who are we going to give up for either player? Cause I’m sure these “fans” would say Zacha

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1 minute ago, jagknife said:

What I mean is who are we going to give up for either player? Cause I’m sure these “fans” would say Zacha

I think Zacha is and will be a big disappointment, but he has more value in a trade since there are GMs out there that probably still like his upside.  So I don’t feel bad about missing out on either of these guys.  And I’m actually very happy we got Vatanen for Henrique rather than the rumored Galchenyuk deal.

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13 hours ago, MadDog2020 said:

 

OTT is such a dumpster fire of an organization.  It seems to start with the owner who does not know when to stop interfering and just let the professionals run the team the right way.

 


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9 hours ago, sokar said:

and it begins

On the surface this seems like a really good deal for the Coyotes.   Watch Galchenyuk instantly go back to 30 goals out of the spotlight and on the wing in Arizona.  

Not sure what Montreal is doing.  Domi is a decent talent but all you hear is that they need scoring and they need centers.   Domi is a winger who has scored 9 goals each of the last two seasons and last year, 4 of them were with the goalie pulled.   I guess this means they’ll probably reach for that Finnish C at the #3 pick in draft instead of taking Zadina as well.   

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27 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

All i can say is watching MTL collapse like this is a beautiful beautiful thing.  :wub:

I think for Habs fans, they're far more concerned about Carey Price. They're hoping last season was an anomaly. At 10.5 mil against your cap, you gotta hope he comes back to form. I know it's a lil crazy, Wonder if he'll be an islander? 

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11 hours ago, sokar said:

and it begins

Just another trade Mtl will end up regretting. Galchenyuk is yet another good player they drove to the edge. The whole media mafia here in Montreal likes to target a player or two (usually the only good ones on the team) and rip them apart in a truly unrivaled moronic way and demand for months on end that they get traded until eventually the GM actually does it (what happened with PK). Come January they will turn around as if nothing happened in the last months and absolutely rip Bergevin a new one for ''trading a good player''. 

This team, the media around it and a good chunk of its fanbase is, without a doubt, the most bipolar and retarded group of people I have witnessed in any sport if not just in life in general. 

They will also trade or lose Pacioretty to free agency next year. It's only a question of if they can find what they will consider as a suitable price for him before his contract runs out.   

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3 hours ago, SS-SS said:

Just another trade Mtl will end up regretting. Galchenyuk is yet another good player they drove to the edge. The whole media mafia here in Montreal likes to target a player or two (usually the only good ones on the team) and rip them apart in a truly unrivaled moronic way and demand for months on end that they get traded until eventually the GM actually does it (what happened with PK). Come January they will turn around as if nothing happened in the last months and absolutely rip Bergevin a new one for ''trading a good player''. 

This team, the media around it and a good chunk of its fanbase is, without a doubt, the most bipolar and retarded group of people I have witnessed in any sport if not just in life in general. 

They will also trade or lose Pacioretty to free agency next year. It's only a question of if they can find what they will consider as a suitable price for him before his contract runs out.   

And do not forget, hypersensitive about anything and everything Habs;  they must not have anything else to worry about.  What a small world they must live in!

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IMO, I just don't think MB was the right guy to usher in semi "rebuild" In Montreal

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7 hours ago, SS-SS said:

Just another trade Mtl will end up regretting. Galchenyuk is yet another good player they drove to the edge. The whole media mafia here in Montreal likes to target a player or two (usually the only good ones on the team) and rip them apart in a truly unrivaled moronic way and demand for months on end that they get traded until eventually the GM actually does it (what happened with PK). Come January they will turn around as if nothing happened in the last months and absolutely rip Bergevin a new one for ''trading a good player''. 

This team, the media around it and a good chunk of its fanbase is, without a doubt, the most bipolar and retarded group of people I have witnessed in any sport if not just in life in general. 

They will also trade or lose Pacioretty to free agency next year. It's only a question of if they can find what they will consider as a suitable price for him before his contract runs out.   

Could not have said this any better. As someone who lives in Quebec, I am around  Habs fans daily, and they are without a doubt the most delusional and hypocritical  fans in the league. sh!tting on a player constantly and then going at the GM when he trades him. I love it cause I hate the Habs, but it’s truly sad.

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what a season. still can't believe how great hall is(he better win the hart). can't wait for this year! first time in years where I can say things are lookin up. still missing pieces, but I believe we are on the correct path. I am drunk sorry. 

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11 hours ago, aclc79 said:

And do not forget, hypersensitive about anything and everything Habs;  they must not have anything else to worry about.  What a small world they must live in!

Well, I sat and thought about this on a couple of occasions and from my interaction with the fans (since I live in MTL) I came to the conclusion that part of the delusion of the Habs fan base is due to what you pointed out. Unlike the American cities where the sport's fan base is spread across at least 3 other major sports (Football, Baseball and Basketball), here in MTL the only sport with a big enough fan base to call it a major sport in the area is Hockey.

I imagine that in the USA if you are a hockey fan, you are not one just by default like here in MTL. You have a big amount of sports to choose from and hockey is far from being the most popular sport in the country. This makes IMO the average hockey fan in a major USA city somebody who knows his s*** about hockey because he wasn't just born to cheer for a team and that's it. He actually had to prioritize Hockey over a ton of other sports. 

On the opposite here in MTL, you strike a conversation with the average fan and you realize that he knows just about jack**** other than they won a sh!t ton of cups. This makes the average Habs fan a Parakeet who repeats what the media mafia here in MTL says. If Subban and Price are your two best players and are carrying the team year in year out on their shoulders and the media clowns say they are sh!t and need to get traded, then 80% of the fans here will say that they are sh!t and need to be dealt.

10 hours ago, vadvlfan said:

IMO, I just don't think MB was the right guy to usher in semi "rebuild" In Montreal

It absolutely makes no difference who is there. This team, a long time ago, decided that they were going to be an organization that breaks under media pressure and do what they are told by clowns who have everything in common with Don Cherry except for his suits. Hell, I think Cherry speaks a lot more sense than the average Hockey journalist here in MTL. As a team, the moment you do that, it becomes a free for all aboard a sinking boat. Take a look at the decisions. Subban dealt despite being the most spectacular player this team drafted for ages, Pacioretty (top 5 goal-scorer in the NHL in the past years), Galcheyuk out,  and the list goes on. These decisions are media-driven. No GM in his right mind does this.  

7 hours ago, Devs3cups said:

Could not have said this any better. As someone who lives in Quebec, I am around  Habs fans daily, and they are without a doubt the most delusional and hypocritical  fans in the league. sh!tting on a player constantly and then going at the GM when he trades him. I love it cause I hate the Habs, but it’s truly sad.

I can't support speaking with any of them about Hockey. Its a cycle, they'll get through Bergevin, Julien and the cycle will continue. 

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Edit on that last post:

If anyone is asking himself why I say Pacioretty is out, they (mtl-media) basically put him through hell last season. Despite being one of the best goalscorers in the NHL, they blamed all the problems the team was going through last season on him until Price came back from injury to split the blame 50/50 with him. What they couldn't blame on his lack of scoring on a team with no offensive threat other than him (and that offers him no support at all), they blamed on his ''lack of leadership'' saying the team is not doing well because he is a ''bad captain''..as if they somehow had an all-star roster and he was spoiling it or something.

The last two weeks before the transfer deadline had become an open Max Pacioretty witch hunt in the French media with these clowns demanding he gets traded and spreading all kinds of false rumors about him being dealt here and there.

At the end of the season, he politely explained to the journalists that he had spent the worst year of his career because of them. He explained that he can't be the only one blamed for what the team had been through this season. He also explained that the last couple of weeks before the transfer deadline had basically been a huge disrespect to him and his family who were put in a constant state of fear because of the huge amount of rumors and calls for his head by the media. (Notice, Bergevin never came out once to dissipate the rumors or calm things down and by the looks of it he also didn't do it privately with Pacioretty who really believed he was gone)

Anyway, its now a not so well kept secret that Pacioretty will most probably not extend and is waiting to be dealt or leave for free at the end of next season. 

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On 2018-06-16 at 9:59 AM, SS-SS said:

Just another trade Mtl will end up regretting. Galchenyuk is yet another good player they drove to the edge. The whole media mafia here in Montreal likes to target a player or two (usually the only good ones on the team) and rip them apart in a truly unrivaled moronic way and demand for months on end that they get traded until eventually the GM actually does it (what happened with PK). Come January they will turn around as if nothing happened in the last months and absolutely rip Bergevin a new one for ''trading a good player''. 

This team, the media around it and a good chunk of its fanbase is, without a doubt, the most bipolar and retarded group of people I have witnessed in any sport if not just in life in general. 

They will also trade or lose Pacioretty to free agency next year. It's only a question of if they can find what they will consider as a suitable price for him before his contract runs out.   

 

On 2018-06-16 at 5:34 PM, Devs3cups said:

Could not have said this any better. As someone who lives in Quebec, I am around  Habs fans daily, and they are without a doubt the most delusional and hypocritical  fans in the league. sh!tting on a player constantly and then going at the GM when he trades him. I love it cause I hate the Habs, but it’s truly sad.

My theory on this whole thing from an outside point of view (but still New Brunswick is pretty close). And i know you guys are from Quebec and i certainly don't mean to be insulting but this whole level of craziness in Quebec is more linked to the general culture and mentality of that province (obviously i'm not saying every single resident of Quebec is like that) than just a technicality about how many teams are around. It's suuuuch a different mentality than anywhere else.

Quebec has a very very proud, protective, solidary but entitled mentality. Very very very entitled and often it's like they feel they are the center of the universe, that the whole world revolve around them. If they feel something is an injustice against them (that it is or not)... they want to see blood. And they LOVE to show the world how supportive and how they are just THE BEST AND MOST INTENSE EVER. Which bring a good chunk of goods..... and bad. And i get it cause they always HAD to fight to keep their language and culture etc etc but they do get results by protesting like mofos and whining anytime something doesn't go their way. I've never ever seen a group of people wanting to protest or boycutt anything as much as people in quebec, it's out of this world. For example in Quebec, they have the lowest cost for education and by far. A few years back they were supposed to raise the prices and the whole province protested and fought it and it works. They sure come off as the ultimate whiners, but they do get results. And it's the same exact thing with hockey. Whining to get what they want is simply part of their culture and they get very entitled when things don't go their way. And they obviously live in a confirmation bias bubble where they all crank each other with half facts and just run with it being ignorant. I feel like that fan base is equivalent to a dog shelter lol one dog barks... and then every single dogs in there starts barking like there's no tomorrow.... 98% of them have no idea why they are barking but they are giving their all lol 

I LOVE going to Quebec for concerts, music festivals, sport events etc etc and it's always insane cause there's so many people and they are so into it but what i came to realize is that... a huge chunks of those people are all clueless, they just want to be seen being hardcore almost. Like the number of times, i was front row at a show hearing people talk around me and they barely knew 5 songs from that band. Yet they had the shirt on and cheer like motherfvckers. Again it's mostly cause they just LOVE being part of something big. So when i'm saying that it's good and bad. It's good cause you to have BIG and passionate crowds to any events... so it's amazing for numbers and the atmosphere but sooooooooooooooooooo many people in those crowds are absolutely clueless... but entitled to act like they deserve the world lol

and again i LOVE going to quebec and i have a huge amount of great friends from there but even they agree with me about that mentality

 

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