mfitz804 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Just wanted to say, Kinkyisth3b3st has stuck with his new name and profile pic for WAY longer than he originally agreed. But he’s 4 for 4 on the above post. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derlique Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 I don't think most people realize Panarin might be a top ten forward in the league. He's as elite as they come and probably just as good as Hall. I don't think CBJ gets fair value for him in a trade and NJ would benefit in a very big way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharifijanov2099 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 17 minutes ago, Derlique said: I don't think most people realize Panarin might be a top ten forward in the league. He's as elite as they come and probably just as good as Hall. I don't think CBJ gets fair value for him in a trade and NJ would benefit in a very big way. Why are people thinking that Panarin will be traded? Just curious why CBJ makes that move. He's a superstar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Sharifijanov2099 said: Why are people thinking that Panarin will be traded? Just curious why CBJ makes that move. He's a superstar. CBJ is actually listening to trade offers. Good as any indication that it’s a strong possibility if someone makes the right offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharifijanov2099 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Daniel said: CBJ is actually listening to trade offers. Good as any indication that it’s a strong possibility if someone makes the right offer. Ah, I see. Where was that reported? Sorry, I didn't catch the origin of this sub-topic. If true, pretty strange to me. Bread man really is a top-tier talent. Those don't come along often, and they made out quite well in that deal when they acquired him from CHI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 I thought it was strange when Chicago traded him also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharifijanov2099 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 1 minute ago, mfitz804 said: I thought it was strange when Chicago traded him also. But at least then, if I recall, getting a long-term cost controlled contract was part of their thinking since they pay so much money to their other big guns (Kane, Toews, Keith, etc.). Not saying it's the move I would have done, but they at least had some idea about what it would do for them, and Saad was supposedly one of the best 5v5 point producers in the league at the time. Again, I'm recalling from memory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharifijanov2099 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 OK, I see, the report where this came out notes that he's not willing to talk extension yet and is UFA after this upcoming season. If they don't think they can sign him long term, that at least makes some sense. However, finding the right trade partner becomes quite difficult unless the player blesses it and says yep, that's where I wanted to sign anyway after next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDfan1711 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kinkyisth3b3st said: A deal happened 36 hours after the Karlsson/Hoffman news broke. You're making silly assumptions. San Jose used this as a cap-relief move; there's no way those two trades happened so closely to one-another without them being premeditated. It's not an assumption at all - Hoffman was the subject of trade rumors for the better part of half of the season, and there were no takers. Quote Do you have a source for this? Because you're now using two consecutive "out-your-ass" facts to back up your argument. A source? All I said was that it was reasonable that his only option could be waivers. That's just an opinion. I need a source for that? lol... Ok. I don't know why you're taking this so personal either, as if I'm purposely coming up with stuff "out of my ass" just to agitate you or something. Quote That is both here and there. That is the whole point of this post. Ottawa got a ridiculously small return for a 28 year old who's had ~50 or more points every year of his career so far. They most certainly give two fvcks; as this 28-year-old is now in the division. I'll admit they probably don't like that he's in the division, but if your premise for them being upset, let alone infuriated, is simply that he's averaged 50 points a season and now they'll have to face him half a dozen times a year or so, then I think you're gravely exaggerating the impact he's going to have on them moving forward. Quote Their captain, on an expiring contract, who's been the face of trade rumors for 8 months and likely has no intention to re-sign with the team that's put him through all of this garbage over the course of the year while staring at a long, dark tunnel of a re-build without many draft picks? Fair points, but you don't know for sure that he's definitely leaving, and Ottawa couldn't sit on their hands and do nothing. Moving Hoffman was the right thing to do, and they got back a few pieces in return. San Jose dumping salary is of course good for them, but it in no way affects Ottawa, so that's a moot point. Quote You're right, I'm sure Ottawa is thrilled. Nowhere did I say they were jumping for joy, I merely said I don't see how this move is as catastrophic as you're making it appear to be. Their only other options were A) Stick with both EK and Hoffman and watch that chemistry experiment blow up in their face in every way possbile, or B ) Trade Karlsson and keep Hoffman, a scenario that would anger every single one of their fans, and probably hurt their team from a performance standpoint, seeing as how EK is better/more valuable than Hoffman. They picked the lesser of two evils. That's all. 1 hour ago, Kinkyisth3b3st said: A deal happened 36 hours after the Karlsson/Hoffman news broke. You're making silly assumptions. San Jose used this as a cap-relief move; there's no way those two trades happened so closely to one-another without them being premeditated. It's not an assumption at all - Hoffman was the subject of trade rumors for the better part of half of the season, and there were no takers. Quote Do you have a source for this? Because you're now using two consecutive "out-your-ass" facts to back up your argument. A source? All I said was that it was reasonable that his only option could be waivers. That's just an opinion. I need a source for that? lol... Ok. I don't know why you're taking this so personal either, as if I'm purposely coming up with stuff "out of my ass" just to agitate you or something. Quote That is both here and there. That is the whole point of this post. Ottawa got a ridiculously small return for a 28 year old who's had ~50 or more points every year of his career so far. They most certainly give two fvcks; as this 28-year-old is now in the division. I'll admit they probably don't like that he's in the division, but if your premise for them being upset, let alone infuriated, is simply that he's averaged 50 points a season and now they'll have to face him half a dozen times a year or so, then I think you're gravely exaggerating the impact he's going to have on them moving forward. Quote Their captain, on an expiring contract, who's been the face of trade rumors for 8 months and likely has no intention to re-sign with the team that's put him through all of this garbage over the course of the year while staring at a long, dark tunnel of a re-build without many draft picks? Fair points, but you don't know for sure that he's definitely leaving, and Ottawa couldn't sit on their hands and do nothing. Moving Hoffman was the right thing to do, and they got back a few pieces in return. San Jose dumping salary is of course good for them, but it in no way affects Ottawa, so that's a moot point. Quote You're right, I'm sure Ottawa is thrilled. Nowhere did I say they were jumping for joy, I merely said I don't see how this move is as catastrophic as you're making it appear to be. Their only other options were A) Stick with both EK and Hoffman and watch that chemistry experiment blow up in their face in every way possbile, or B ) Trade Karlsson and keep Hoffman, a scenario that would anger every single one of their fans, and probably hurt their team from a performance standpoint, seeing as how EK is better/more valuable than Hoffman. They picked the lesser of two evils. That's all. EDIT: Oh, and I also thought the same thing as mfitz...it's weird seeing your name as Kinkyitb still, instead of Marty. Edited June 20, 2018 by NJDfan1711 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharifijanov2099 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Sharifijanov2099 said: OK, I see, the report where this came out notes that he's not willing to talk extension yet and is UFA after this upcoming season. If they don't think they can sign him long term, that at least makes some sense. However, finding the right trade partner becomes quite difficult unless the player blesses it and says yep, that's where I wanted to sign anyway after next year. PS, I have to assume that CLB only trades Breadman at this juncture if they get blown away by an offer. Otherwise, they try to continue to sign him through the season, and then deal at the trade deadline for a 1st round pick. For NJ to grab Panarin right now... I don't think we have the assets which would make sense for CLB. Outside of Hall/Nico, it would take something similar to Karlsson, i.e. Severson+Bratt+1st, etc. And maybe you do that if you're NJ, but Shero has been largely unwilling to give up high picks and good prospects during our rebuild. And for a guy looking to hit UFA and cash in big, doesn't look like it makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Ah, I see. Where was that reported? Sorry, I didn't catch the origin of this sub-topic. If true, pretty strange to me. Bread man really is a top-tier talent. Those don't come along often, and they made out quite well in that deal when they acquired him from CHI. They’re listening to offers because he’s refusing to sign an extension. It isn’t just for sh!ts and giggles. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 OK, I see, the report where this came out notes that he's not willing to talk extension yet and is UFA after this upcoming season. If they don't think they can sign him long term, that at least makes some sense. However, finding the right trade partner becomes quite difficult unless the player blesses it and says yep, that's where I wanted to sign anyway after next year. Whoops, missed your post. My bad. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonDreads Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, NJDfan1711 said: It's not an assumption at all - Hoffman was the subject of trade rumors for the better part of half of the season, and there were no takers. Just regarding that, there were takers for Hoffman, he gunned down a done deal with Winnipeg a few weeks out from the deadline, just FWIW EDIT: Also regarding that, I don't know what kind of lunatic wouldn't have wanted to go from Ottawa to Winnipeg last year. I seriously question Hoffman's intelligence lol Edited June 20, 2018 by CommonDreads 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDfan1711 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, CommonDreads said: Just regarding that, there were takers for Hoffman, he gunned down a done deal with Winnipeg a few weeks out from the deadline, just FWIW EDIT: Also regarding that, I don't know what kind of lunatic wouldn't have wanted to go from Ottawa to Winnipeg last year. I seriously question Hoffman's intelligence lol Did/does he have a NMC? And yeah you're right, he must be a moron, especially if he's still with that chick and any of these allegations turn out to be true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonDreads Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 1 minute ago, NJDfan1711 said: Did/does he have a NMC? And yeah you're right, he must be a moron, especially if he's still with that chick and any of these allegations turn out to be true. Yeah Hoffman has an NTC, wouldn't lift it for Winnipeg for god knows why Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDfan1711 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 1 minute ago, CommonDreads said: Yeah Hoffman has an NTC, wouldn't lift it for Winnipeg for god knows why Ah gotcha, didn't know that. What a fool. To think, maybe if they had him that puts them over the hump and they get by Vegas. I doubt it, but you never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonDreads Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, NJDfan1711 said: Ah gotcha, didn't know that. What a fool. To think, maybe if they had him that puts them over the hump and they get by Vegas. I doubt it, but you never know. I imagine the deal in place probably included what was sent to St. Louis for Paul Stastny (2018 1st, Erik Foley), and though I do think Hoffman is better than Stastny it would be hard to see Hoffman making a bigger impact for the Jets than Stastny did, he was fantastic for the Jets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 22 minutes ago, Sharifijanov2099 said: PS, I have to assume that CLB only trades Breadman at this juncture if they get blown away by an offer. Otherwise, they try to continue to sign him through the season, and then deal at the trade deadline for a 1st round pick. For NJ to grab Panarin right now... I don't think we have the assets which would make sense for CLB. Outside of Hall/Nico, it would take something similar to Karlsson, i.e. Severson+Bratt+1st, etc. And maybe you do that if you're NJ, but Shero has been largely unwilling to give up high picks and good prospects during our rebuild. And for a guy looking to hit UFA and cash in big, doesn't look like it makes sense. I don't think we're a good fit. They don't want non-elite prospects, a mid pairing defensemen and some picks. They'd ask for Nico or Hall, and I wouldn't blame them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsfan118 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 20 minutes ago, Daniel said: I don't think we're a good fit. They don't want non-elite prospects, a mid pairing defensemen and some picks. They'd ask for Nico or Hall, and I wouldn't blame them. Especially since they'd be trading within the division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satans Hockey Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) 38 minutes ago, CommonDreads said: Yeah Hoffman has an NTC, wouldn't lift it for Winnipeg for god knows why Have you been to Winnipeg? I wouldn't willingly want to live there either lol Edited June 20, 2018 by Satans Hockey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Kinkyisth3b3st said: A deal happened 36 hours after the Karlsson/Hoffman news broke. You're making silly assumptions. San Jose used this as a cap-relief move; there's no way those two trades happened so closely to one-another without them being premeditated. Tallon said on his conference call that Wilson called him the night before the trade(s) and asked if he was interested in getting Hoffman. So the way it played out was Wilson's plan all along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aitchmack Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 1 hour ago, CommonDreads said: Just regarding that, there were takers for Hoffman, he gunned down a done deal with Winnipeg a few weeks out from the deadline, just FWIW EDIT: Also regarding that, I don't know what kind of lunatic wouldn't have wanted to go from Ottawa to Winnipeg last year. I seriously question Hoffman's intelligence lol Maybe his girlfriend vetoed it. I hear she's quite opinionated. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevils1214 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Satans Hockey said: Have you been to Winnipeg? I wouldn't willingly want to live there either lol Yea I thought it was kinda a sh!t hole by Canadian standards...maybe even by US standards. Also, its prob negative ballz below zero there in the winter. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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