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I hope this Karlsson thing drags on forever.  I like watching fans obsess and squirm over things they cannot control.

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9 minutes ago, Kinkyisth3b3st said:

Am I the only guy who doesn't really want Tyler Johnson? Career borderline 2nd-line center and one high-profile fantastic playoffs... he's fine, but nothing I would get excited about (like Point or Sergachev)

I'm with you.  He's at the age where players tend to decline and he's under contract for a while at a not insignificant sum.  As I said before, he's Montreal-Scott Gomez waiting to happen.  I used to think if Tampa wanted to give him to us, then I'd take him, but even then I'm not so sure. 

Tampa's really in a bind if they want Karlsson.  If the Rangers get Johnson as the sweetener in a deal for Callahan, fine, it's not going to be the difference between them winning a Cup.  Otherwise, I'd drive a really hard bargain, as it seems that we're one of the few teams that's available to take on Tampa's salary dumps.

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fvck this trade, I don't want any part of it period. Let Karlsson rot in Ottawa. Enough with these sh!t bag ex Rangers on our team, Grabner was bad enough I don't want anything to do with Callahan. 

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Just now, Satans Hockey said:

fvck this trade, I don't want any part of it period. Let Karlsson rot in Ottawa. Enough with these sh!t bag ex Rangers on our team, Grabner was bad enough I don't want anything to do with Callahan. 

Not only that, we're supposed to be giving 1st round draft picks and receiving 2nd round ones in exchange while we also give Ottawa a prospect? All that for Tyler Johnson..Yeah I'll gladly take a season long hard look at McLeod and Zacha.

If there is no draft picks leaving us, I'm okay with it, but I wont jeopardize my 1st round pick before the season even starts to facilitate a deal between two conference rivals. fvck them, let the dumb Rags do it as they always do.

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I guess another way to look at Johnson is "If he were a UFA, would I be OK with the Devils signing him for 6 years at $5 mil per?" 

I can understand the arguments for and against him.  I still think he's a potential bargain in terms of what his cap hit will be (and he's had a couple of productive playoffs), but I'm not going to be crushed if the Devils don't get him.

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11 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

I guess another way to look at Johnson is "If he were a UFA, would I be OK with the Devils signing him for 6 years at $5 mil per?" 

I can understand the arguments for and against him.  I still think he's a potential bargain in terms of what his cap hit will be (and he's had a couple of productive playoffs), but I'm not going to be crushed if the Devils don't get him.

I'd rather overpay him a million or two via free agency than give up a 1st and Zacha while I also overpay, but this time for Ryan or Callahan.

Of course there is also the argument about how hard it is to attract these players once they hit the FA market and that it's why Shero would be doing this type of move

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2 hours ago, Kinkyisth3b3st said:

So basically every Ken Daneyko broadcast ever. 

Correct. Like when we signed Devante Smith-Pelly, it will be like we intentionally did so to trip him up. 

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38 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

I hope this Karlsson thing drags on forever.  I like watching fans obsess and squirm over things they cannot control.

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any way we could land Sergachev, Point or Gourde i'd be delighted. I'm obviously not naming all the big untouchables from Tampa though

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any way we could land Sergachev, Point or Gourde i'd be delighted. I'm obviously not naming all the big untouchables from Tampa though

Like the Kucherov’s of the world, those three guys are a pipe dream for us. If we do help facilitate this deal, it’ll probably be Johnson coming back.


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10 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

 

 

 


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I never understand this type of Tweet. Who believes that? What does it mean to "believe" there's a chance? 

This person probably called his sources and asked, "Do you think it's still possible Karlsson goes to Dallas," and they respond, "Well, yeah it's possible." And then he puts out the vague, safe Tweet above just to provide some news.

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I never understand this type of Tweet. Who believes that? What does it mean to "believe" there's a chance? 
This person probably called his sources and asked, "Do you think it's still possible Karlsson goes to Dallas," and they respond, "Well, yeah it's possible." And then he puts out the vague, safe Tweet above just to provide some news.

At this point, I just want this deal to be made and for all the speculation to be over. I understand it’s a complicated deal to make with a lot of moving parts, but enough already lol.


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When I think about the possibility of the Devils being the 3rd team in this trade, it makes the most sense to me that we would be involved to take on Bobby Ryan. Yes, TBL needs to clear cap space and wants desperately to get rid of Callahan but they're the ones getting the big asset, so it doesn't make sense to me that they would be able to move their least desirable asset as well. 

Furthermore, OTT surely wants to move Ryan if they're going to move EK, this is their one chance to do that. This is where the Devils come into play because what is DEFINITELY for sure is that TBL cannot take on Ryan. Thus, NJD becomes the catalyst for Ottawa to even want to trade with TB. 

I can see NJD taking Ryan and a top prospect/young player from TBL and/or a pick,  and giving away Zacha and maybe another piece (Santini?).

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1 hour ago, SS-SS said:

Not only that, we're supposed to be giving 1st round draft picks and receiving 2nd round ones in exchange while we also give Ottawa a prospect? All that for Tyler Johnson..Yeah I'll gladly take a season long hard look at McLeod and Zacha.

If there is no draft picks leaving us, I'm okay with it, but I wont jeopardize my 1st round pick before the season even starts to facilitate a deal between two conference rivals. fvck them, let the dumb Rags do it as they always do.

If Shero goes through with this trade I will lose it. He can't be that dumb.

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5 minutes ago, Neb00rs said:

When I think about the possibility of the Devils being the 3rd team in this trade, it makes the most sense to me that we would be involved to take on Bobby Ryan. Yes, TBL needs to clear cap space and wants desperately to get rid of Callahan but they're the ones getting the big asset, so it doesn't make sense to me that they would be able to move their least desirable asset as well. 

Furthermore, OTT surely wants to move Ryan if they're going to move EK, this is their one chance to do that. This is where the Devils come into play because what is DEFINITELY for sure is that TBL cannot take on Ryan. Thus, NJD becomes the catalyst for Ottawa to even want to trade with TB. 

I can see NJD taking Ryan and a top prospect/young player from TBL and/or a pick,  and giving away Zacha and maybe another piece (Santini?).

If Ottawa and Tampa want NJ to take on a bad contract............ Shero better not get rid of a damn thing of significance. 

Ryan = getting back a 1st round pick or top prospect. That’s it. Case closed.

I’m not helping a conference foe by taking on a bad contract off their books, all the while sending back anything of consequence.

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8 minutes ago, Neb00rs said:

When I think about the possibility of the Devils being the 3rd team in this trade, it makes the most sense to me that we would be involved to take on Bobby Ryan. Yes, TBL needs to clear cap space and wants desperately to get rid of Callahan but they're the ones getting the big asset, so it doesn't make sense to me that they would be able to move their least desirable asset as well. 

Furthermore, OTT surely wants to move Ryan if they're going to move EK, this is their one chance to do that. This is where the Devils come into play because what is DEFINITELY for sure is that TBL cannot take on Ryan. Thus, NJD becomes the catalyst for Ottawa to even want to trade with TB. 

I can see NJD taking Ryan and a top prospect/young player from TBL and/or a pick,  and giving away Zacha and maybe another piece (Santini?).

 

Ryan is 31, how many more years does he have in the tank? 3-4? Devils won't be competitive enough for a Cup in at least 2-3 years. The trade makes no sense. They should be acquiring younger guys in their mid 20's 

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1 hour ago, CommonDreads said:

I think that's kind of what we should expecting though, yeah I'd obviously rather have Point or Sergachev but I'd bet my next paycheck that doesn't happen. Johnson I think is a realistic player we could nab and I think he would be perfect playing in our system, Johnson has speed for days and I think he would be a solid #2 center for us.

If we're taking on a contract like Ryan or Callahan, and the best thing we get out of it is Tyler Johnson, I'm gonna be pissed. 

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1 minute ago, slasher72 said:

 

Ryan is 31, how many more years does he have in the tank? 3-4? Devils won't be competitive enough for a Cup in at least 2-3 years. The trade makes no sense. They should be acquiring younger guys in their mid 20's 

You're misunderstanding. The Devils acquiring Ryan (and his contract) is to sweeten the pot for the Senators, not the Devils. 

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3 hours ago, Kinkyisth3b3st said:

Unless we're also getting a few draft picks or prospects, fvck everything about that. We get 1 year of a 31 year old defenseman who was pretty 'meh' last year and the worst contract in the NHL... for nada? No. 

Never said it made sense, just a weird feeling I had once I read we might be part of this weird deal. No way do I want only that if we're eating the contract of a guy whose hands are a wreck right now.

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Tyler Johnson apparently has a full no trade clause.  I've recall reading somewhere that he wasn't asked to waive it.  So my guess is that "third teams" don't see him as worth their while to take on a cap dump.

But getting back to my Kucherov idea, it's not as crazy as it sounds.

In any deal, I assume that Sergachev is going to Ottawa.  At the moment, he's the third left handed defenseman behind Hedman and McDonough.  So let's say the Devils are the third team that's available to take on whatever Tampa needs to dump to make it work, Callahan, Coburn, Girardi, whoever.  The Devils add cost controlled players that Tampa can use, Bratt and Severson.

So without the cap dumping stuff it's:

Tampa:  Karlsson, Bratt, Severson
Ottawa:  Sergachev (other stuff)
New Jersey: Kucherov (crap Tampa is getting rid of)

It's not crazy for Tampa, especially if it's going to be difficult for them to give Kucherov a new contract if they're paying Karlsson $11 million a year

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