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I'm so fvcking livid about this FA period. LeBron signed in LA? Really? Wtf, is Ray doing anything? If I find out Ray didn't even call his agent to inquire about coming to NJ I'm going to be pissed. 

I like to tell people I’m an architect, Art Vandeley.

Others have already hit on this note, but no. Hallsy is younger, healthier, and is coming off his 1st career Hart trophy, certainly wouldn't trade him for Karlsson. The list of players I'd trade Hall

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No room. TB has some contract issues between Coburn and Girardi. I'd rather take one of them. They will lose AS next year as they can't afford to pay him. Ideally, TB needs to rid of Coburn,Girardi, Callahan and potentially Palat and/or Killorn. They will have issues very soon. McD's contract would hage hypothetically been Sergachevs in a few years but now that can't happen either.

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35 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

What circus Ottawa turned into in less than two seasons. I feel like Ottawa is stuck between trading Karlsson to one of the current contenders and not get anything good enough to even call themselves partial winners of the trade, try to trade him to a not so good team to only see Karlsson refuse because he wants the money and to become an instant SC contender or simply keep him and watch him leave for free.

Messed up situation for Ottawa no matter what happens.

Something also struck me in this article which is the fact that Karlsson does not want to commit to a long-term deal until ''him and his wife are comfortable in the new City''. I don't know about everyone else, but I find this to be a douchy move. You want the money, to be a contender and also the option to leave for free next summer, leaving the team that traded for you absolutely empty-handed? Just decide where you wanna go and stick with it instead of trying to fvck over two teams in the span of 12 months. 

If I'm a GM and I'm going to trade significant pieces of my organization for a player, be it roster players or promising talent, the last thing I'll take a shot at is a player who could simply pack his things and leave 12 months from now, leaving me empty-handed. If I'm trading for you, this extension better signed before you set foot off the plane. 

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Shero better get a boatload of draft picks in return for taking on Callahan.

Otherwise, why in the world would Shero take a roster spot from a young hungry player for a washed up 33 year old. They already have a washed up 34 year old (Boyle).

Shero isn’t stupid. He will want something of major significance to take on this disaster, especially from the team that eliminated him from the playoffs.

I’ll bet the delay in this trade is because Shero wants the moon and stars to do this. And who can blame him.

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8 minutes ago, SS-SS said:

What circus Ottawa turned into in less than two seasons. I feel like Ottawa is stuck between trading Karlsson to one of the current contenders and not get anything good enough to even call themselves partial winners of the trade, try to trade him to a not so good team to only see Karlsson refuse because he wants the money and to become an instant SC contender or simply keep him and watch him leave for free.

Messed up situation for Ottawa no matter what happens.

Something also struck me in this article which is the fact that Karlsson does not want to commit to a long-term deal until ''him and his wife are comfortable in the new City''. I don't know about everyone else, but I find this to be a douchy move. You want the money, to be a contender and also the option to leave for free next summer, leaving the team that traded for you absolutely empty-handed? Just decide where you wanna go and stick with it instead of trying to fvck over two teams in the span of 12 months. 

If I'm a GM and I'm going to trade significant pieces of my organization for a player, be it roster players or promising talent, the last thing I'll take a shot at is a player who could simply pack his things and leave 12 months from now, leaving me empty-handed. If I'm trading for you, this extension better signed before you set foot off the plane. 

What I’m thinking by that comment is for Ray to make a serious push for Karlsson.  If he wants a different environment than Ottawa, perhaps have someone like Hall talk to him about what playing in Jersey has done for his career and his personal life where you don’t have yellow journalists spreading rumors about you.  Have guys like Schneider and Zajac talk to him that the Jersey suburbs are a great place to raise a family, especially if you have money.  And have Ray make the pitch that the Devils are a legitimate contender with him there.

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3 minutes ago, Daniel said:

What I’m thinking by that comment is for Ray to make a serious push for Karlsson.  If he wants a different environment than Ottawa, perhaps have someone like Hall talk to him about what playing in Jersey has done for his career and his personal life where you don’t have yellow journalists spreading rumors about you.  Have guys like Schneider and Zajac talk to him that the Jersey suburbs are a great place to raise a family, especially if you have money.  And have Ray make the pitch that the Devils are a legitimate contender with him there.

I agree with you. It's at least worth to take a shot when its a guy like him. However, if the guy (Karlsson) does not make it 110% sure that he will sign an extension to Shero then its a no. Even with Ottawa now set to come out of this one with less than you'd normally expect for a guy like Karlsson, we'd have to give significant pieces and probably take on Ryan's contract. If Shero can't obtain this guarantee then Karlsson could go play for the Rangers for all I care. We just crawled back up from a long dark tunnel and I'm not willing to go back there for a guy who wants to ''make his girlfriend comfortable'' in another city 12 months after I got him at a big price.  

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13 minutes ago, Daniel said:

Have guys like Schneider and Zajac talk to him that the Jersey suburbs are a great place to raise a family, especially if you have money.  

Valid point. It’s not like he’d be living in Irvington. The Caldwells, Chatham, etc. are pretty hard to beat for rich families. 

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29 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

Valid point. It’s not like he’d be living in Irvington. The Caldwells, Chatham, etc. are pretty hard to beat for rich families. 

And believe it or not, an important thing for a lot of players is easy access to the airport.  15 minutes from Short Hills to Newark and rarely any traffic getting there.

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1 minute ago, Daniel said:

And believe it or not, an important thing for a lot of players is easy access to the airport.  15 minutes from Short Hills to Newark and rarely any traffic getting there.

Yup. It’s where I’d live if I were them. 

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Short Hills, Chatham, Summit, and Mendham are the place for the super rich in North NJ. Our GOV did just enact a special 10% tax on income over 5mil though. 

/r/Devils has a little hypothetical contest running so here was my best shot:

New Jersey:

Receiving: Bobby Ryan, Mark Stone(with extension), Ryan Callahan, TB/NYR 2019 Conditional 2nd/1st

Sending: Daemon Severson, NJ 1st 2019 (Lottery Protected)

Ottawa:

Receiving: Mikhail Sergachev, Daemon Severson, Yanni Gourde, NJ 1st 2019 (Lottery Protected), TB 1st 2020

Sending: Erik Karlsson, Bobby Ryan, Mark Stone(with extension)

Tampa:

Receiving: Erik Karlsson (with extension)

Sending: Mikhail Sergachev, Ryan Callahan, Yanni Gourde, TB/NYR 2019 Conditional 2nd/1st, TB 1st 2020

  

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4 minutes ago, NJDevils1214 said:

Short Hills, Chatham, Summit, and Mendham are the place for the super rich in North NJ. Our GOV did just enact a special 10% tax on income over 5mil though. 

/r/Devils has a little hypothetical contest running so here was my best shot:

New Jersey:

Receiving: Bobby Ryan, Mark Stone(with extension), Ryan Callahan, TB/NYR 2019 Conditional 2nd/1st

Sending: Daemon Severson, NJ 1st 2019 (Lottery Protected)

Ottawa:

Receiving: Mikhail Sergachev, Daemon Severson, Yanni Gourde, NJ 1st 2019 (Lottery Protected), TB 1st 2020

Sending: Erik Karlsson, Bobby Ryan, Mark Stone(with extension)

Tampa:

Receiving: Erik Karlsson (with extension)

Sending: Mikhail Sergachev, Ryan Callahan, Yanni Gourde, TB/NYR 2019 Conditional 2nd/1st, TB 1st 2020

  

Taking Bobby Ryan and Callahan is really brutal.  You’re basically done adding players after that, and it might result in losing Mojo and/or Vatanen.

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Wanting Karlsson and helping another team get him by taking on a player they don't want is like driving your crush to her date's place and in return you get a handjob from her brother who needs a ride to the liquor store. fvck that. 

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9 minutes ago, Daniel said:

Taking Bobby Ryan and Callahan is really brutal.  You’re basically done adding players after that, and it might result in losing Mojo and/or Vatanen.

Callahan is only under contract until 19-20. Mojo needs to be re-signed but Callahan comes off the books the year Vatanen gets his next deal. 

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4 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

Wanting Karlsson and helping another team get him by taking on a player they don't want is like driving your crush to her date's place and in return you get a handjob from her brother who needs a ride to the liquor store. fvck that. 

How is getting a 60pt player a handjob from a dude?

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2 hours ago, MadDog2020 said:

 

 

 


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The idea of taking a washed up ex-rags captain makes me sick to my stomach. I trust Ray knows what he's doing.

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2 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

Callahan went over 60 once in his career and it was in juniors. 

I'm talking about Mark Stone....NJ eats Callahan's contract for the 2 years in exchange for the conditional 2nd/1st round pick. Worst case scenario if he is useless they IR him because he is hurt 80% of the time anyway or buyout his deal. NJ has plenty of cap room to eat his salary for just 2 years.

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3 minutes ago, NJDevils1214 said:

I'm talking about Mark Stone....NJ eats Callahan's contract for the 2 years in exchange for the conditional 2nd/1st round pick. Worst case scenario if he is useless they IR him because he is hurt 80% of the time anyway or buyout his deal. NJ has plenty of cap room to eat his salary for just 2 years.

I'd take Stone, Sergachev, Gourde, Point etc in a heartbeat... but to think we could land any of those guys is dreaming i think

Stone was the Sens best player last year. there's no way they move him on top of moving Karlsson. No way

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6 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

I'd take Stone, Sergachev, Gourde, Point etc in a heartbeat... but to think we could land any of those guys is dreaming i think

Ok....well Stone is in the hypothetical deal I proposed.

I get you hate every other team in the league that isnt NJ but if NJ gets better out of the deal then why not? If you sit on the side and let some other team take your place in the talks then you get nothing and 3 other teams get better instead of 2. Tampa is going to be good anyway, who cares if NJ helps them get Karlsson if it also makes our team better? It is worse if they get him and NJ doesn't get anything at all...or double worse if the Rangers end up with a 60pt player like Stone for taking a couple sh!tty contracts they just buyout anyway.

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16 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

Wanting Karlsson and helping another team get him by taking on a player they don't want is like driving your crush to her date's place and in return you get a handjob from her brother who needs a ride to the liquor store. fvck that. 

You have really interesting Friday nights. Lol. 

FYI you could have drove him for free and not accepted the handy...

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6 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

I'd take Stone, Sergachev, Gourde, Point etc in a heartbeat... but to think we could land any of those guys is dreaming i think

Stone was the Sens best player last year. there's no way they move him on top of moving Karlsson. No way

We have to get a top player to do this type of trade. Otherwise, I don't see the point.

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10 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

I'd take Stone, Sergachev, Gourde, Point etc in a heartbeat... but to think we could land any of those guys is dreaming i think

Stone was the Sens best player last year. there's no way they move him on top of moving Karlsson. No way

 

2 minutes ago, Jerrydevil said:

We have to get a top player to do this type of trade. Otherwise, I don't see the point.

I saw somewhere that talks between Stone and Ottawa were not going well, partially because the team looks like its going into a rebuild and he is 26. He ain't got the time. I also think he filed for arbitration. Anyway, that is why I included him instead of Brayden Point. If Ottawa isn't able to re-sign him they can use him to get more back in the Karlsson deal. Maybe my compensation isn't enough for that, but I'm no expert.

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10 minutes ago, NJDevils1214 said:

Ok....well Stone is in the hypothetical deal I proposed.

I get you hate every other team in the league that isnt NJ but if NJ gets better out of the deal then why not? If you sit on the side and let some other team take your place in the talks then you get nothing and 3 other teams get better instead of 2. Tampa is going to be good anyway, who cares if NJ helps them get Karlsson if it also makes our team better? It is worse if they get him and NJ doesn't get anything at all...or double worse if the Rangers end up with a 60pt player like Stone for taking a couple sh!tty contracts they just buyout anyway.

what do you mean i hate every team that isn't NJ ? haha there's only a handful of teams i don't like in the league

And i'm not against being part of the team but it has to be a very good deal. Say your crush as a cute sister or wtv.... lol

 

8 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

You have really interesting Friday nights. Lol. 

FYI you could have drove him for free and not accepted the handy...

Some severe case of blue balls could make you do anything pal

 

7 minutes ago, Jerrydevil said:

We have to get a top player to do this type of trade. Otherwise, I don't see the point.

We got to be clear here. If we get a player out of a 3 way. We're getting it from Tampa im pretty sure. They are the one that needs to clear their roster to make room from Karlsson. Sens are already stripping their teams by moving Karlsson. They need to get the most out of the deal. Trading one of their best player makes no sense.

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