mfitz804 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 19 minutes ago, NJDfan1711 said: I was going to say exactly this. A wise man once told me, "you don't ask, you don't get". You ask for 7M assuming they will negotiate and meet you in the middle, at the 6M that you want/expect. I negotiate for a living, and you never start negotiating at the figure you actually want. It's a matter of reaching a compromise. Pretty sure it works the same way in these negotiations. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 8 minutes ago, mfitz804 said: I negotiate for a living, and you never start negotiating at the figure you actually want. It's a matter of reaching a compromise. Pretty sure it works the same way in these negotiations. Heh heh, I have a "select" group of customers who insist that whatever price I quote them on a job is "too high" by default. Real easy...I go higher than what I would for someone else, and when the bitching starts, I "come down" to the price that is fair to me (usually the one I had in mind all along), and have them thinking that I gave them a discount. But yeah, don't think too many savvy negotiators go in asking for exactly what they want. Ask for higher and hope to come close to the figure you had in mind. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said: Real easy...I go higher than what I would for someone else, and when the bitching starts, I "come down" to the price that is fair to me (usually the one I had in mind all along), and have them thinking that I gave them a discount. That's how its done, folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hystyk28 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, MadDog2020 said: 6 hours ago, MadDog2020 said: I’d probably do 6, but 7 is pushing it IMO. I think Trouba knows this, and it might be that he just doesn’t wanna play in Winnipeg. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk The bigger question is how do you get access to those stats. Edited July 19, 2018 by hystyk28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 45 minutes ago, Kinkyisth3b3st said: My first job out of college, I was drunk and negotiated a higher salary via e-mail. And got it. Their offer was $65k, which was pretty decent for an unlicensed architect. I was drunk and replied "I was looking for $80k for reasons x,y,z". Forgot about it, until the next afternoon I got a new offer at $73k + an extra week of vacation. When I was hired, my hiring manager said I'm the first person he's ever had negotiate a salary directly out of college. I was ready to say yes to their first offer.... I got an extra $5k when I got my first job (which is still my current job) in a similar fashion. But I wasn't drunk and did it on the phone. lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lateralous Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kinkyisth3b3st said: My first job out of college, I was drunk and negotiated a higher salary via e-mail. And got it. Their offer was $65k, which was pretty decent for an unlicensed architect. I was drunk and replied "I was looking for $80k for reasons x,y,z". Forgot about it, until the next afternoon I got a new offer at $73k + an extra week of vacation. When I was hired, my hiring manager said I'm the first person he's ever had negotiate a salary directly out of college. I was ready to say yes to their first offer.... Ugh, you guys are the worst. I'm an architect and every time I try to hire a kid out of school lately, I'm pretty sure they not only want the high salary, they want my office too. Edited July 19, 2018 by Lateralous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevils1214 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 5 hours ago, Kinkyisth3b3st said: My first job out of college, I was drunk and negotiated a higher salary via e-mail. And got it. Their offer was $65k, which was pretty decent for an unlicensed architect. I was drunk and replied "I was looking for $80k for reasons x,y,z". Forgot about it, until the next afternoon I got a new offer at $73k + an extra week of vacation. When I was hired, my hiring manager said I'm the first person he's ever had negotiate a salary directly out of college. I was ready to say yes to their first offer.... Were you nervous at all about the implied expectations it set for you? (Just now starting my second job after college) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Eco Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 (edited) I'm an architect too haha wow 3 of us on this board, eh? How the HELL did you get $73K out of school, and when the hell did you get that job? I started right after the recession was cooling down and had to negotiate $36K out of a $29K offer, and that was the only thing available at the time (but yeah, it was Bush's recession, so probably the worst time in decades to enter the field, lucky me, right?)... Edited July 20, 2018 by DJ Eco 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Eco Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 18 hours ago, Lateralous said: Ugh, you guys are the worst. I'm an architect and every time I try to hire a kid out of school lately, I'm pretty sure they not only want the high salary, they want my office too. Must be something in the water outside of New York City. Over here, going rate still seems to be $35-45K for kids out of school, $60-80K for project manager level (big swing there for if you've been a PM for 2 years vs. 10+). I know there are a lot of jobs out there, but haven't gotten a sense (here in NYC) that pay is significantly up in this field. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgeControl Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 You dam architects have zero clue regarding the amount of floor space required to design a properly air conditioned building.. lol.. screw that extra parking space, I need to get chillers, pumps and condenser water pipe in that building... well, done boys.. you got yourselves into a great profession! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lateralous Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 13 hours ago, Kinkyisth3b3st said: Overtime, dude! 5 years at architecture school has it ingrained in all of our heads that we're about to be working 70 hours a week at whatever office. If that place offered me the same salary plus time/half overtime, I would have accepted on the spot What type of architecture do you do? All commercial. I have a small firm in the Philadelphia suburbs and we do lots of commercial office, retail, some industrial buildings, etc.. 11 hours ago, DJ Eco said: I'm an architect too haha wow 3 of us on this board, eh? How the HELL did you get $73K out of school, and when the hell did you get that job? I started right after the recession was cooling down and had to negotiate $36K out of a $29K offer, and that was the only thing available at the time (but yeah, it was Bush's recession, so probably the worst time in decades to enter the field, lucky me, right?)... Very cool. Yeah, your numbers are closer to what I see down here. It seems like the starting salary out of school rises faster than the salaries of some of the guys I hired in 2011-13 despite my giving the older guys consistent raises every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 What I’ve learned from this thread is that if I ever need to build something, I can just log on to NJDevs. [emoji14] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerzey Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 I like to tell people I’m an architect, Art Vandeley. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jerzey said: I like to tell people I’m an architect, Art Vandeley. I’m an importer/exporter, myself. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Leeds Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 SInce I was a kid, I loved FLW and wanted to be an architect. Became a cop instead. Little different, lol 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevils1214 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 41 minutes ago, Nicomo said: I’m an importer/exporter, myself. My friends and I are big Seinfeld fans and Im just leaving the shipping industry where I was in imports/exports. Was the joke for a while lol. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titans04 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Orpik back with the Caps for 1 year 1M aav. Great deal for the them. https://www.nhl.com/capitals/news/capitals-sign-brooks-orpik/c-299573574 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slasher72 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 (edited) Sort of unrelated but I just read this in an article yesterday. Players that were taken after Lou drafted Stefan Matteau. "Here are list of notable skaters that were drafted after Matteau; Tanner Pearson (Los Angeles, 30); Colton Parayko (St. Louis, 86); Shayne Gostisbehere (Philadelphia, 78) Matt Murray (Pittsburgh, 83); Connor Hellebuyck" Especially Hellebuyck. Wow, I wish we could have that pick back. Edited July 24, 2018 by slasher72 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 1 hour ago, slasher72 said: Sort of unrelated but I just read this in an article yesterday. Players that were taken after Lou drafted Stefan Matteau. "Here are list of notable skaters that were drafted after Matteau; Tanner Pearson (Los Angeles, 30); Colton Parayko (St. Louis, 86); Shayne Gostisbehere (Philadelphia, 78) Matt Murray (Pittsburgh, 83); Connor Hellebuyck" Especially Hellebuyck. Wow, I wish we could have that pick back. Hindsight is always 20/20 when it comes to draft picks. Matteau went just about where he was projected. Yeah, we passed on Pearson. But so did 28 other teams. How many teams passed on Parayko, Gotisbehere, Murray, or Hellebuyck 2 or 3 times? And if you flip it the other way, I'm sure a lot of teams are kicking themselves for passing on Marty. Hell, Kidd and Potvin went before him. I bet the Sharks wish they took Niedermayer instead of Pat Falloon. Parise at 17th overall in 2003 was another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevils1214 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 3 hours ago, Devil Dan 56 said: Hindsight is always 20/20 when it comes to draft picks. Matteau went just about where he was projected. Yeah, we passed on Pearson. But so did 28 other teams. How many teams passed on Parayko, Gotisbehere, Murray, or Hellebuyck 2 or 3 times? And if you flip it the other way, I'm sure a lot of teams are kicking themselves for passing on Marty. Hell, Kidd and Potvin went before him. I bet the Sharks wish they took Niedermayer instead of Pat Falloon. Parise at 17th overall in 2003 was another. I just went back and looked at every draft since 2000. There were a ton of those 20/20 situations. Best to not bother looking. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aylbert Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 6 hours ago, slasher72 said: Sort of unrelated but I just read this in an article yesterday. Players that were taken after Lou drafted Stefan Matteau. "Here are list of notable skaters that were drafted after Matteau; Tanner Pearson (Los Angeles, 30); Colton Parayko (St. Louis, 86); Shayne Gostisbehere (Philadelphia, 78) Matt Murray (Pittsburgh, 83); Connor Hellebuyck" Especially Hellebuyck. Wow, I wish we could have that pick back. You can’t judge any draft, in any year, that way. It’s like looking back at the weather... you can only project so much. Pearson is fair, the others were missed by everybody in the second too; so it’s really unfair to say Lou should have reached in the first for them... especially when GMs get mocked for reaching ten spots away from consensus rankings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 5 hours ago, Devil Dan 56 said: Hindsight is always 20/20 when it comes to draft picks. Matteau went just about where he was projected. Yeah, we passed on Pearson. But so did 28 other teams. How many teams passed on Parayko, Gotisbehere, Murray, or Hellebuyck 2 or 3 times? And if you flip it the other way, I'm sure a lot of teams are kicking themselves for passing on Marty. Hell, Kidd and Potvin went before him. I bet the Sharks wish they took Niedermayer instead of Pat Falloon. Parise at 17th overall in 2003 was another. Well to be fair in 2003 you could be blindfolded and throw a dart at the selection board and get a superstar lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 6 hours ago, SterioDesign said: Well to be fair in 2003 you could be blindfolded and throw a dart at the selection board and get a superstar lol The Rangers were drunk in addition to blindfolded. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 10 hours ago, aylbert said: You can’t judge any draft, in any year, that way. It’s like looking back at the weather... you can only project so much. Pearson is fair, the others were missed by everybody in the second too; so it’s really unfair to say Lou should have reached in the first for them... especially when GMs get mocked for reaching ten spots away from consensus rankings. The obsession over Tanner Pearson was weird 3 years ago but it's even weirder now. Pearson was a double-overager. Those players almost never get selected as high as he was. And yeah, he's turned into a nice player, but nothing that really changes the Devils' fortunes one way or another. He turns 26 in a month, he's scored 20 goals once; he's a slightly above average NHL forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundstrom Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 you also can't look at how a player turned out and just assume he would've been the same player on another team. there is team specific development, linemates, and of course, luck. more often than not, a good player is going to be a good player regardless of who drafts him but i wouldn't say it's like 80/20 that way. more like 60/40. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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