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1 hour ago, MadDog2020 said:

 

 

 


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I get that in negotiations, you don't start at the actual number you are willing to pay, but filing at 4M for Trouba seems abnormally low and seems like a great way to really piss the player off, doesn't it?  If this goes to a hearing, are they really going to go up there and make a bunch of 4M comparisons for Trouba?            

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10 minutes ago, Lateralous said:

I get that in negotiations, you don't start at the actual number you are willing to pay, but filing at 4M for Trouba seems abnormally low and a great way to really piss the player off, doesn't it?  If this goes to a hearing, are they really going to go up there and make a bunch of 4M comparisons for Trouba?            

I guess the Jets' position will be based greatly on the fact he's only played more than 65 games in a season once in his career. 

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54 minutes ago, Lateralous said:

I get that in negotiations, you don't start at the actual number you are willing to pay, but filing at 4M for Trouba seems abnormally low and seems like a great way to really piss the player off, doesn't it?  If this goes to a hearing, are they really going to go up there and make a bunch of 4M comparisons for Trouba?            

I mean, 4-4.5 is basically the going rate for early 20's defensemen when they sign their second deals (and those deals cover the age Trouba is currently at), so it's not an unreasonable stance. But obviously 4 is just set to anchor the midpoint, which the arbitrator almost always comes down at.

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6 minutes ago, Marshall said:

I mean, 4-4.5 is basically the going rate for early 20's defensemen when they sign their second deals (and those deals cover the age Trouba is currently at), so it's not an unreasonable stance. But obviously 4 is just set to anchor the midpoint, which the arbitrator almost always comes down at.

I mean, he's obviously a much better defeneman than Severson, so it is a bit of slap in the face.  I also wonder if at these hearings the team can be forced to answer what kind of trade demands they were making or what trade offers they received as a gauge of value. 

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2 hours ago, MadDog2020 said:

 

 

 

 

That's a lot of money Trouba is asking for. Is he worth $7m? I watch like 2 Jets games a year so I have no clue. 

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Don't think he's even close to being a 7m player but 4 is a rough one two. My guess would be it ends up on Trouba's side of the mid-point 5.75-6.

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17 hours ago, njbuff said:

Two things........

1.The Blue Jackets would be fools to trade him to NJ.

2. Do the Devils think Santini is ready for an expanded role just to trade away a RD like Severson?

I think Severson's stock was overly inflated by a good, unexpected rookie season.   However, I can't put all of our defensive eggs in the "Severson basket" and therefore, I would be willing to ship off Severson - find a stopgap solution in the interim - if it meant being able to land Panarin. 

I am more than happy with Santini. 

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4 hours ago, Derlique said:

Would you give Palmieri and Bratt for Panarin. You're giving up a top-6 RW and a probable top 6 player. I think I would, but that is probably the return CBJ is looking for.

Yes.  I would do that.  But, I would want a 2nd rounder in return to come with Panarin. 

Keep in mind, Panarin was traded for Saad straight up.  I know the Blackhawks had to dump salary and that's why they got rid of Panarin, but look at it this way, would you trade Palmieri and Bratt for Saad? 

Palmieri is the kind of player Torts wants.  His salary hit is much more advantageous than Panarin's future contract.  It may be worth it for them, especially since the player doesn't want to re-sign there.

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That's a lot of money Trouba is asking for. Is he worth $7m? I watch like 2 Jets games a year so I have no clue. 

No, $7 million for Trouba is overpayment. He’s probably worth 5-5.5.


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6 hours ago, MadDog2020 said:


No, $7 million for Trouba is overpayment. He’s probably worth 5-5.5.


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I'd have to disagree with that, Trouba I'd say is at least a very solid #2 on most teams. I'd say my ideal number for him would be $6.5M but I wouldn't blink an eye if the number was $7M

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I'd have to disagree with that, Trouba I'd say is at least a very solid #2 on most teams. I'd say my ideal number for him would be $6.5M but I wouldn't blink an eye if the number was $7M
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I’d probably do 6, but 7 is pushing it IMO. I think Trouba knows this, and it might be that he just doesn’t wanna play in Winnipeg.


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2 hours ago, MadDog2020 said:


I’d probably do 6, but 7 is pushing it IMO. I think Trouba knows this, and it might be that he just doesn’t wanna play in Winnipeg.
 

Also, if you want $6m, you don't ask for $6m. Asking for $7m implies he thinks he's worth less, IMHO.

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We have a fvckton of money. I'd give Trouba 7 in a heartbeat. He's an immediate first-pairing guy for us. 

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31 minutes ago, Kinkyisth3b3st said:

We have a fvckton of money. I'd give Trouba 7 in a heartbeat. He's an immediate first-pairing guy for us. 

He's an RFA though. What's the compensation package look like for an offer sheet to an RFA in that price range? 

EDIT: First, Second, and Third round pick. 

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2 minutes ago, NJDevils1214 said:

He's an RFA though. What's the compensation package look like for an offer sheet to an RFA in that price range? 

EDIT: First, Second, and Third round pick. 

I wouldn't give that to him as an RFA. I was thinking sign-and-trade. 

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1 minute ago, Kinkyisth3b3st said:

I wouldn't give that to him as an RFA. I was thinking sign-and-trade. 

Gotcha. 

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1 hour ago, mfitz804 said:

Also, if you want $6m, you don't ask for $6m. Asking for $7m implies he thinks he's worth less, IMHO.

I was going to say exactly this.  A wise man once told me, "you don't ask, you don't get". You ask for 7M assuming they will negotiate and meet you in the middle, at the 6M that you want/expect.

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19 minutes ago, NJDfan1711 said:

I was going to say exactly this.  A wise man once told me, "you don't ask, you don't get". You ask for 7M assuming they will negotiate and meet you in the middle, at the 6M that you want/expect.

I negotiate for a living, and you never start negotiating at the figure you actually want. It's a matter of reaching a compromise. 

Pretty sure it works the same way in these negotiations. 

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8 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

I negotiate for a living, and you never start negotiating at the figure you actually want. It's a matter of reaching a compromise. 

Pretty sure it works the same way in these negotiations. 

Heh heh, I have a "select" group of customers who insist that whatever price I quote them on a job is "too high" by default. 

Real easy...I go higher than what I would for someone else, and when the bitching starts, I "come down" to the price that is fair to me (usually the one I had in mind all along), and have them thinking that I gave them a discount. 

But yeah, don't think too many savvy negotiators go in asking for exactly what they want.  Ask for higher and hope to come close to the figure you had in mind. 

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1 hour ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Real easy...I go higher than what I would for someone else, and when the bitching starts, I "come down" to the price that is fair to me (usually the one I had in mind all along), and have them thinking that I gave them a discount. 

That's how its done, folks. :) 

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3 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

That's how its done, folks. :) 

My first job out of college, I was drunk and negotiated a higher salary via e-mail. And got it. Their offer was $65k, which was pretty decent for an unlicensed architect. I was drunk and replied "I was looking for $80k for reasons x,y,z". Forgot about it, until the next afternoon I got a new offer at $73k + an extra week of vacation. When I was hired, my hiring manager said I'm the first person he's ever had negotiate a salary directly out of college. 

I was ready to say yes to their first offer.... 

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6 hours ago, MadDog2020 said:

 

6 hours ago, MadDog2020 said:


I’d probably do 6, but 7 is pushing it IMO. I think Trouba knows this, and it might be that he just doesn’t wanna play in Winnipeg.


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The bigger question is how do you get access to those stats.

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45 minutes ago, Kinkyisth3b3st said:

My first job out of college, I was drunk and negotiated a higher salary via e-mail. And got it. Their offer was $65k, which was pretty decent for an unlicensed architect. I was drunk and replied "I was looking for $80k for reasons x,y,z". Forgot about it, until the next afternoon I got a new offer at $73k + an extra week of vacation. When I was hired, my hiring manager said I'm the first person he's ever had negotiate a salary directly out of college. 

I was ready to say yes to their first offer.... 

I got an extra $5k when I got my first job (which is still my current job) in a similar fashion. But I wasn't drunk and did it on the phone. lol. 

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1 hour ago, Kinkyisth3b3st said:

My first job out of college, I was drunk and negotiated a higher salary via e-mail. And got it. Their offer was $65k, which was pretty decent for an unlicensed architect. I was drunk and replied "I was looking for $80k for reasons x,y,z". Forgot about it, until the next afternoon I got a new offer at $73k + an extra week of vacation. When I was hired, my hiring manager said I'm the first person he's ever had negotiate a salary directly out of college. 

I was ready to say yes to their first offer.... 

Ugh, you guys are the worst:P.   I'm an architect and every time I try to hire a kid out of school lately, I'm pretty sure they not only want the high salary, they want my office too.    

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