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Just now, SterioDesign said:

You know the almost automatic lecture you give me all the time about not letting go and asking why I keep trying to bring down someone who isn't even here anymore........................................

"All the time"?  That's a bit much, and you know it. 

My tracking Kovy is not really related anyway...you bitch about Lou (and Conte) almost any time there's even a slight opening for you to do it, and it's almost always the same message, which comes down to "I'm right, everyone else was wrong, even though I leave out all of the shades of gray that were present at the time, and BTW, I'm right, did you hear me, I'm right I'm right I'M RIGHT DAMMIT!"  One big difference is that Lou had a lot of success here, even with the rough ending...Kovy's run here was much more uneven (and in the general scheme, he really wasn't here that long).  That's why I don't get why you do it with such spite, as I've explained.  But that is what it is. 

I'm just amazed at how much Kovy's struggled in general...I did think he would get off to somewhere between a hot and solid start before slowing up...I thought a reasonable over/under on his goal pace over 82 GP was 25 (and about 50 points)...with his shot, even if the rest of his game wasn't that good, you'd figure he'd score about 25 or so almost by accident.  Right now he's at an 18 goal pace.  It was going to be hard to try to correlate what Kovy was doing on an uber-stacked KHL team to what he might do in the NHL (he never truly dominated the K the way we would've thought and was never going to put up bad numbers, but he still did well in the glamour categories).  But did anyone think he'd be so meh that he'd ever get demoted to the 4th line?   

Yeah, I do follow him, mostly because the Kings did take quite a risk, especially since they made a three-year commitment to him at pretty nice coin...this was no bargain-signing with steal potential.  If they signed him to a one-year deal at, say, $3-4 million, I wouldn't think his failures would be that big of a deal.  Outside of one big four-game surge, he's been almost invisible.  Guess I find that surprising/shocking enough to comment on it from time to time.

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2 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

"All the time"?  That's a bit much, and you know it. 

My tracking Kovy is not really related anyway...you bitch about Lou (and Conte) almost any time there's even a slight opening for you to do it, and it's almost always the same message, which comes down to "I'm right, everyone else was wrong, even though I leave out all of the shades of gray that were present at the time, and BTW, I'm right, did you hear me, I'm right I'm right I'M RIGHT DAMMIT!"  One big difference is that Lou had a lot of success here, even with the rough ending...Kovy's run here was much more uneven (and in the general scheme, he really wasn't here that long).  That's why I don't get why you do it with such spite, as I've explained.  But that is what it is. 

I'm just amazed at how much Kovy's struggled in general...I did think he would get off to somewhere between a hot and solid start before slowing up...I thought a reasonable over/under on his goal pace over 82 GP was 25 (and about 50 points)...with his shot, even if the rest of his game wasn't that good, you'd figure he'd score about 25 or so almost by accident.  Right now he's at an 18 goal pace.  It was going to be hard to try to correlate what Kovy was doing on an uber-stacked KHL team to what he might do in the NHL (he never truly dominated the K the way we would've thought and was never going to put up bad numbers, but he still did well in the glamour categories).  But did anyone think he'd be so meh that he'd ever get demoted to the 4th line?   

Yeah, I do follow him, mostly because the Kings did take quite a risk, especially since they made a three-year commitment to him at pretty nice coin...this was no bargain-signing with steal potential.  If they signed him to a one-year deal at, say, $3-4 million, I wouldn't think his failures would be that big of a deal.  Outside of one big four-game surge, he's been almost invisible.  Guess I find that surprising/shocking enough to comment on it from time to time.

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Yeah well, the problems and wrong approaches i was calling out for decades still have a HUGE impact on the team right now and why we have such a mountain to climb and everyone denied it for years. So yeah well... I was indeed right. There are no shades of grey left out, just biased excuses. So it's still relevant to keep in mind why we're where we are now and it will come back in discussions for as long as we suck. Especially when some people are bashing the new GM who was handed this mess with expectations he should somehow make the team contenders within 3-4 years.

Kovy struggling has no effects on us unless he'd play for a rival or wtv. Most people bringing it up are just still bitter about him just like i'm bitter about the previous management. 

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Just now, SterioDesign said:

Yeah well, the problems and wrong approaches i was calling out for decades still have a HUGE impact on the team right now and why we have such a mountain to climb and everyone denied it for years. So yeah well... I was indeed right. There are no shades of grey left out, just biased excuses. So it's still relevant to keep in mind why we're where we are now and it will come back in discussions for as long as we suck. Especially when some people are bashing the new GM who was handed this mess with expectations he should somehow make the team contenders within 3-4 years.

Kovy struggling has no effects on us unless he'd play for a rival or wtv. Most people bringing it up are just still bitter about him just like i'm bitter about the previous management. 

Don't you know if you remember what I posted about Kovy when all that went down, but I made a point out of not judging him for not wanting to be here, and that if his heart wasn't into being a Devil, then I had no issues with him "retiring"...that's why I never really was all that interested in following any alternate "if Kovy was still here" timelines, because in the only timeline that matters, Ilya simply decided that being a Devil no longer appealed to him, even with all of the money he could have made for sticking around.  So I definitely don't put myself in the "bitter" category re:  his departure. 

As a fan of the sport, there's a number of players I track, for various reasons.  I've explained why I check in on Kovy from time to time.  I've also been following Nolan Patrick (mostly because so many were wondering if the Devils were going to take him or Hischier) and Erik Karlsson, among a number of others. 

We've pretty much been in agreement on Shero since Day 1.  I would say what some people do (in error) is lump Lou's final years with Shero's early years here...I agree with you that Shero clearly didn't have a ton to work with here when he first took the job, but he's had a little more than you've given the previous regime...Severson, Henrique (who became Vatanen), KK and Schneider (we all know how Cory's game fell off a cliff, but through late last December, it still looked like he could be the long-term guy his contract suggested he should be), Larsson (who became Hall, 100% thanks to Shero), Zajac...and Coleman was a Lou/Conte pick...you've posted how bad the roster was at the end, and like I said, it was not great by any stretch, but there were some pieces here. 

That being said, there definitely weren't enough pieces to expect a SC contender quickly, and Shero has come in with a plan and stuck to it (though last year's team made him decide to go off the script a little bit, with the Grabner and Maroon deals, both of which I was in favor of, even if they didn't pan out as expected, especially Grabner)...and as we've been over, some fine "made sense" deals (like MoJo) just haven't worked out...sometimes you get unlucky.  I really like that Shero realizes that vastly overpaying for 30ish-year-old UFAs isn't the way to go...as much as those signings give us something to chew on and a little excitement initially, a lot of times they don't pay off.  I do think he's going to make a very solid move or two come this offseason that we can all get behind...as well as start sifting through the youth pile and begin to whittle it down.  This was an evaluation season, and unlike the Mets, where one evaluation season tends to turn into 3-4 of them, I don't think 2019-20 will be Part Deux.  There will be changes. 

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3 hours ago, NJDfan1711 said:

I said to my buddy who is a huge Lightning fan last night that I saw they beat up on the Kings 6-2 yesterday, and also said that I was so glad that Kovalfvck has no shot at the playoffs this year.  It's even funnier that, not only is he on a bad team, but he's on the team that's dead last in the league.

He also celebrated Doughty's 3rd period power play goal as if it was the go-ahead in an epic comeback

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42 minutes ago, jagknife said:

He also celebrated Doughty's 3rd period power play goal as if it was the go-ahead in an epic comeback

I guess when you're on his level of suckage, you have to find a silver lining somewhere.  Here's to him celebrating the 2nd goal in many more 6-2 losses. :cheers:

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On 1/4/2019 at 8:40 AM, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Kovalchuk now without a point in five straight, has exactly 3 points in his last 18 GP.  How badly are you missing the K there pal? 

 

On 1/4/2019 at 8:46 AM, NJDfan1711 said:

I said to my buddy who is a huge Lightning fan last night that I saw they beat up on the Kings 6-2 yesterday, and also said that I was so glad that Kovalfvck has no shot at the playoffs this year.  It's even funnier that, not only is he on a bad team, but he's on the team that's dead last in the league.

Traitors get what they deserve.  You made your own bed, pal!  (Doesn't it look like he isn't even trying very hard?)

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3 hours ago, jagknife said:

A couple nights ago, or last night for all I can tell anymore, I had a dream the glow puck was back. This time it was green during play, red for hard shots.

then this came out:

https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1692730

 

If the Kings are going for 90s night, then it really doesn't get any more 90s than that!

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21 hours ago, jagknife said:

A couple nights ago, or last night for all I can tell anymore, I had a dream the glow puck was back. This time it was green during play, red for hard shots.

then this came out:

https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1692730

 

I hope this does not become a thing again, I don't know about the rest of you but if I had to watch that every game it would make me crazy.

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7 minutes ago, 2ELIAS6 said:

I hope this does not become a thing again, I don't know about the rest of you but if I had to watch that every game it would make me crazy.

Looks like it's just for 90's night for the Kings. It might cool for replays or something, but in live play it just felt weird. The only time I liked it was when the puck was against the near boards. 

I do like how Marty was the only goalie to make a save in the video they attached though. 

 

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50 minutes ago, 2ELIAS6 said:

I hope this does not become a thing again, I don't know about the rest of you but if I had to watch that every game it would make me crazy.

I hated it and do not want to see it ruining games again.  

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2 hours ago, Devil Dan 56 said:

Looks like it's just for 90's night for the Kings. It might cool for replays or something, but in live play it just felt weird. The only time I liked it was when the puck was against the near boards. 

I do like how Marty was the only goalie to make a save in the video they attached though. 

 

It was only used in some replays last night. Wasn’t used throughout the game.

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On 1/5/2019 at 1:25 PM, jagknife said:

A couple nights ago, or last night for all I can tell anymore, I had a dream the glow puck was back. This time it was green during play, red for hard shots.

then this came out:

https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1692730

 

Proof that everything from the 90s is being forcefully brought back and in style lol... Weird, but I guess this is what our parents and grandparents must have felt when I was growing up in the 90s and girls were wearing bell bottoms and swing-based pop music strangely got popular for a few years LOL

I went to a club for a birthday party a couple weeks ago and everyone 21-25 years old is wearing Champion, FILA, Kappa, and saw at least a dozen girls wearing camouflage pants like it was a 90s R&B girl group night. That sh!t was in 99 cent stores nationwide 2-3 years ago lol

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24 minutes ago, DJ Eco said:

Proof that everything from the 90s is being forcefully brought back and in style lol... Weird, but I guess this is what our parents and grandparents must have felt when I was growing up in the 90s and girls were wearing bell bottoms and swing-based pop music strangely got popular for a few years LOL

I went to a club for a birthday party a couple weeks ago and everyone 21-25 years old is wearing Champion, FILA, Kappa, and saw at least a dozen girls wearing camouflage pants like it was a 90s R&B girl group night. That sh!t was in 99 cent stores nationwide 2-3 years ago lol

If they didn’t have Starter jackets they were doing it wrong.

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Also, remember when hockey jerseys became popular in the hip hop community?

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6 minutes ago, Jerzey said:

If they didn’t have Starter jackets they were doing it wrong.

Also, remember when hockey jerseys became popular in the hip hop community?

Devils jerseys were particularly popular with the hip hop crowd in the mid 90's.  Kings were too IIRC.

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1 minute ago, DevsMan84 said:

Devils jerseys were particularly popular with the hip hop crowd in the mid 90's.  Kings were too IIRC.

Yeah especially when we switched to the red and black. Kings and Raiders gear was really popular because of the colors. Plus I listened to a lot of west coast hip hop back then (more east coast but I still liked a lot of the west coast stuff). 

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I know this is more site news and not devil's news per see, but we're only a few hundred posts away from hitting 1,000,000!

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3 hours ago, Jerzey said:

Yeah especially when we switched to the red and black. Kings and Raiders gear was really popular because of the colors. Plus I listened to a lot of west coast hip hop back then (more east coast but I still liked a lot of the west coast stuff). 

Heh heh, I remember seeing Dave Matthew's drummer wearing a Devils jersey in a video, and thinking "OK, that's cool" (even though I'm not a huge fan of the band).  I then saw him wearing a Rangers jersey elsewhere (also behind the kit), and thought "fvck that guy, he probably doesn't even fvcking watch hockey!"

The only Devils apparel I've ever been interested in are jerseys.  No T-shirts, sweatshirts, jackets...though I do like some of the hats and caps. 

3 hours ago, DJ Eco said:

Proof that everything from the 90s is being forcefully brought back and in style lol... Weird, but I guess this is what our parents and grandparents must have felt when I was growing up in the 90s and girls were wearing bell bottoms and swing-based pop music strangely got popular for a few years LOL

I went to a club for a birthday party a couple weeks ago and everyone 21-25 years old is wearing Champion, FILA, Kappa, and saw at least a dozen girls wearing camouflage pants like it was a 90s R&B girl group night. That sh!t was in 99 cent stores nationwide 2-3 years ago lol

Wow, is the bolded really becoming a thing?  I had no idea, honestly.  Kinda funny.  The decade that I grew up in (the 80s) was just cheesy and awful enough fashion-wise that I don't think any of the more "notable" clothing trends will EVER see a second life as 2020 and beyond approach (and I remember being nine years old when January 1, 1980 rolled around...and how the year 2000 sounded so futuristic and far away...damn...)

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5 hours ago, RunninWithTheDevil said:

I know this is more site news and not devil's news per see, but we're only a few hundred posts away from hitting 1,000,000!

Dano: Oh, boy!!

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On 1/7/2019 at 11:58 AM, RunninWithTheDevil said:

I know this is more site news and not devil's news per see, but we're only a few hundred posts away from hitting 1,000,000!

Oh man, I say we dedicate post #1,000,000 to @Mike Brown where he does a recap of the board and its members as he sees fit.

I'm being serious.

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5 minutes ago, Devilsfan118 said:

Oh man, I say we dedicate post #1,000,000 to @Mike Brown where he does a recap of the board and its members as he sees fit.

I'm being serious.

I wonder how many stoppable shots I let in...

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2 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

I wonder how many stoppable shots I let in...

Pretty sure I lead in high danger meme %. 

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Kucherov hits 71 points in 43 games.  That's on pace for 135+ points.

Signed for 8 more years at only 9.5AAV.  I don't understand how teams are supposed to compete with Tampa.

I've never seen a team that stacked.

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45 minutes ago, Devilsfan118 said:

Kucherov hits 71 points in 43 games.  That's on pace for 135+ points.

Signed for 8 more years at only 9.5AAV.  I don't understand how teams are supposed to compete with Tampa.

I've never seen a team that stacked.

Guy went 58th overall in the 2011 draft too...has more points than anyone else in that draft.  Hell of a pick.

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53 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Guy went 58th overall in the 2011 draft too...has more points than anyone else in that draft.  Hell of a pick.

Shhh we aren't allowed to talk about draft position anymore. lol

:)

 

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